Not Sewell. He's "generational".I think Grier should have just stayed at 12, Miami still would have gotten either Sewell or one of Smith or Waddle.
You know I meant say Slater not Sewell. They could go Pitts and then take Bateman at 18.Not Sewell. He's "generational".
Probably one of Waddle or Smith. Maybe they like Pitts a lot, and will get a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.
Pitts at 6 and Bateman at 18 would be beautiful.You know I meant say Slater not Sewell. They could go Pitts and then take Bateman at 18.
Guessing he’ll love the SF trade but not the PHi trade.Looking forward to@Ministry of Pain's take on these moves today....
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-I need to see them do something amazing in the Draft this year and if they draft a WR at No 3, I will eat my vintage Phins trucker cap. The 1st thing I would do is trade WITH Carolina so they can use the 3-pick to get Watson, we will not be afforded an option to trade for him...Houston will never trade back for picks they sent away and lose Watson, not happening. But if Carolina owns the 3-pick, different story and that Carolina Owner is a piece of work so why not capitalize on his nonstop relentless effort to get a franchise QB, I'm mocking here because of the news and media stories about him. I would like to see the Phins trade down with anyone who has a 2nd rd pick between 33-45 or thereabouts. Trade down and get another Top-50 Draft selection, I would like to see them do this a couple times and turn 4 into 6. I'm not as impressed at the top of the Draft and think they can easily find a solid person to draft in almost every spot where a flashy name is being billed like WR at No 3, that's the stuff teams do that never make the Playoffs and I think Coach Flo ain't dumb so i think the Phins trade down. Others have posted similar things but I am trying to work out the logistics. Carolina has the No 39 Selection and we can swap 3 for 8, maybe even get a little more in return.
Anything coming out of Dolphins camp right now is likely BS. The phins are likely one of the tightest lipped teams when it comes to draft info. I could certainly see them taking smith or waddle, but they could have stayed at 12 for that to be honest. If waddle was going to be the pick he likely would have been there and if smith is going to be the pick, he may be there as well. (especially with the giants paying up for golladay).I just posted in the other thread that I heard an ESPN pundit on the radio say the word is Miami will take Smith or Waddle at 1.06, due to Tua's history with them. This would be better than the Pitts option for this season, as I'm not sure Fuller will stay healthy for the entire season.
Your analysis of one of Smith or Waddle being there at 12 because the Giants paying for Golladay is correct. Which makes me think they want one of either Chase or Pitts at 1.06. There is also an outside chance that the Giants could trade down to a team that wants Smith or Waddle, including teams just below 12, such as the Chargers, NE, or Cardinals.Anything coming out of Dolphins camp right now is likely BS. The phins are likely one of the tightest lipped teams when it comes to draft info. I could certainly see them taking smith or waddle, but they could have stayed at 12 for that to be honest. If waddle was going to be the pick he likely would have been there and if smith is going to be the pick, he may be there as well. (especially with the giants paying up for golladay).
At this point None of the top 4 pass catchers would surprise me. Them taking Sewell or Parsons would.
I think the pivot will be what the phins decide to do at 18.Your analysis of one of Smith or Waddle being there at 12 because the Giants paying for Golladay is correct. Which makes me think they want one of either Chase or Pitts at 1.06. There is also an outside chance that the Giants could trade down to a team that wants Smith or Waddle, including teams just below 12, such as the Chargers, NE, or Cardinals.
I would've rather kept our 2022 1st, and reached for either Elijah or Rondale Moore at 2.04. Elijah Moore's highlights are equal to Waddle's.
Outstanding post, I apologize for jumping on your last one about Phinsfans being spoiled. I think you're nailing this one.Dolphins doing things that us as fantasy players should respect. Move back so you are not reaching fr the top of a tier, but still have the ability to get the guy you want. Also using the "patriot" model of amassing draft capitol because projecting college kids is a crapshoot so numbers matter.
I've been mocking an insane amount (and I hope someone in the miami front office is using the PFN mock tool just to get all the possibles) and the move to 6, 7, or 8 was always the optimum bc 12 was when the corners start to go and Miami doesn't need a corner.
Dolphins get who they want whether its Pitts, Chase, Smith or Sewell. They also get that extra second #1 pick should Deshaun Watsons legal issues resolve (at this point I'd throw the 2023 pick at Houston for Watson if they are going for the fire sale of his "damaged" reputation but I know that's a pipe dream).
Finally, what else will Miami do in this draft? They have 5 picks in the top 80ish but with their senior bowl work I'm sure they'd like a few more. Do they trade down some more to get picks in this draft or now have guys locked in for their spots?
I still see the teams at 7-9 maybe having to move up as well so Atlanta and Miami are still in the Driver seat. You have to assume that CIncy is looking Sewell. If they go WR/TE they will need to hope someone like Leatherwood falls to them in the second.
Then why did we sign them? I hate Miami going WR so high in the Draft when the 2nd round is loaded with them.I just posted in the other thread that I heard an ESPN pundit on the radio say the word is Miami will take Smith or Waddle at 1.06, due to Tua's history with them. This would be better than the Pitts option for this season, as I'm not sure Fuller will stay healthy for the entire season.
Your analysis of one of Smith or Waddle being there at 12 because the Giants paying for Golladay is correct. Which makes me think they want one of either Chase or Pitts at 1.06. There is also an outside chance that the Giants could trade down to a team that wants Smith or Waddle, including teams just below 12, such as the Chargers, NE, or Cardinals.
I would've rather kept our 2022 1st, and reached for either Elijah or Rondale Moore at 2.04. Elijah Moore's highlights are equal to Waddle's.
If we didn't need edge help, I'd be supportive of Harris at 18 (or if that gets traded too) and Landon Dickerson at C in late round 2Ministry of Pain said:Who else do we need to Draft from Alabama to make Tua feel at home in Miami? You see where this is going? MoP not a Tua fan and it's getting worse by the minute.
Kwitty Paye at DE would be a good long term investment IMHO.If we didn't need edge help, I'd be supportive of Harris at 18 (or if that gets traded too) and Landon Dickerson at C in late round 2
Miami has had terrible luck drafting RBs over the years.I will admit it if turns out wrong, but I don’t think Miami has a RB need, certainly not with a 1st or 2nd round pick. Gaskin is the most underrated RB in the league right now.
Lots of thoughts here, and perhaps it talks me into smith being the pick over pitts, but I like Pitts. You have to say the phins have gesecki, shaheed, smythe and the fullback they just picked up that all kind of overlap pitts, while none of their wrs overlap smith. I’d argue chase kind of looks like Williams and Parker and waddle is in his own category but Miami staying at 6 kind of throws cold water on waddle as the pick.I'd much rather go WR at 6 than Pitts. I know Pitts is really good, but TE just isn't a premium position and we already have a very talented one in Gesicki.![]()
I think Tua would excel with a 2-TE formation and to further the point he was making other TEs on the roster look better, even reserves like Smythe at times. Gesicki had his best season? Coincidence?Pitts might be the best TE prospect since OJ Howard but I do not like the idea of the Dolphins trading up to select him when they already have a good receiving TE on the roster.
Now if the Dolphins stayed at pick 12 and Pitts fell to them thats another matter. You can justify the pick as BPA at that point. I just dont think you trade up that high to select a TE. Ask the Lions fans how they feel about doing that.
I love that the Dolphins traded down. I do not love that they traded back up. They must have a plan, I am just not seeing it.
A 6th overall pick should be a QB or premier defensive lineman in my opinion. I dont like the risk of WR bust that high.
I don't think they needed to jump ahead of them, per se, but they did need to jump ahead of Det, Carolina, Philly, Denver, and the giants.Why did Miami need to jump in front of Detroit and Carolina?
Hmmmmm
Just fyi...Slater is a scary proposition and folks aren't sure if he will play Tackle or possibly get kicked inside to Guard so I wouldn't touch him but you're right he has ben projected as one of the top OT in the Draft for whatever reason.I don't think they needed to jump ahead of them, per se, but they did need to jump ahead of Det, Carolina, Philly, Denver, and the giants.
1-3 are Qbs. 4 is likely a QB or a lineman (or maybe pitts to Atlanta?). 5 Should be a lineman (or Chase). When you look at the needs of the next 5 teams they are all over the place, but you cannot discount offensive playmakers for any of them.
Now, Let's assume the scuttlebutt is real, that Mac Jones is in play for the niners (I doubt this, unless they jumped to 3 so New England couldn't jump ahead of them), but lets use this thought exercise:
Trev, Wilson, Jones top 3. Atlanta has to go QB here, right? If not Sewell is the their pick (I doubt pitts bc they signed a TE last year). That leaves Cinci with Slater, Chase, or Pitts. Assuming the mantra is "protect Joe Burrow" then Slater comes off the board at 5. Miami still has all their play makers in front of them, and if they like 2 of them (as opposed to being in love with only one), then they can Talk to Carolina or Denver if they are QB hunting. If the phins are looking Parsons, then they could definitely move to 8 or 9 and still get him.
Slater: I see him as a player who likely plays Guard this year and then tackle as he develops more, a perfect fit for Cinci since they got some tackles in FA.Just fyi...Slater is a scary proposition and folks aren't sure if he will play Tackle or possibly get kicked inside to Guard so I wouldn't touch him but you're right he has ben projected as one of the top OT in the Draft for whatever reason.
I think you are on to something with 6-pick and slide down. I would like to get Carolina's pick in the 2nd...No 39 and slide back 2 more. 8-18-36-39-50...gotta squeeze some more juice out of this pretty talented and deep draft.
With all those 1st Rd picks, Miami also has the ability to trade up with another pick...so say they take Kwitty Paye at 18 if he is even on the board at that point, and let's say they took Pitts for arguments sake at 8. They could move from 36 up into the 20s easily if they want to or find value but I would prefer they just keep building capital. They have the ammo to get Watson now but as @Anarchy99 pointed out in a very excellent thread he fired up on Friday, the Dolphins would have to clear the cap space prior to landing Watson, that's impossible IMO at the moment.
There is no way the Texans settle for that even with his legal issues. They are better off to wait until before the draft next year to trade him. Assuming his legal issues are resolved and he has served whatever suspension the league might throw at him, He will still command much more that just 2 1st round picks.Slater: I see him as a player who likely plays Guard this year and then tackle as he develops more, a perfect fit for Cinci since they got some tackles in FA.
The trade up really has to do whith who they like from the senior bowl: If it is Najee, they either use 18 or trade back into round 1. Same with Etienne. Now if they like Williams, Carter or even Stephenson they can move down rather than up.
Watson is going to be stuck until this issue gets worked out. I see the 2023 SF pick as the "Get watson" pick if it all works out and they want him (SF 2022 and 2023 for watson)...
Not disagreeing and perhaps my statement was vague. Miami having 3 first rounders over the next two years is the key here. Only other teams that could do that are the Jets (likely to take a QB) and the Eagles (they may have 3 picks in 2022 round one).There is no way the Texans settle for that even with his legal issues. They are better off to wait until before the draft next year to trade him. Assuming his legal issues are resolved and he has served whatever suspension the league might throw at him, He will still command much more that just 2 1st round picks.
Exactly, the field of suitors that can actually put a package together includes Miami and the Jets and perhaps another team or two.Not disagreeing and perhaps my statement was vague. Miami having 3 first rounders over the next two years is the key here. Only other teams that could do that are the Jets (likely to take a QB) and the Eagles (they may have 3 picks in 2022 round one).
I'm looking at this kind of like fantasy football. The fins didn't need a QB (in their estimation, not MOPs), so they traded down to the next "tier" Now the question is "how big is this tier for Miami?" If it is a tier of one (pitts lets say), 2, (Pitts, Sewell or Chase/Sewell etc) then they are in the right spot. If it is a tier of 4 or more then they can trade down again. Based on them not staying at 12, you have to assume the tier is likely more than 2 and less than 6 players. If Atlanta and Cinci don't go into their tiers, then trade down again is an option. If they do, but the tier is deep enough, then Carolina may be willing to move.If the Dolphins do trade down from 6 then I like the trade a whole lot better.
Sewell is likely worth picking 6 overall if he is there. I think the players Miami may want can be had a bit later than that pick. At least one of them anyways.
1-QBIf the Dolphins do trade down from 6 then I like the trade a whole lot better.
Sewell is likely worth picking 6 overall if he is there. I think the players Miami may want can be had a bit later than that pick. At least one of them anyways.
Still think this is how it plays out.QBs go 1-4 Sewell or Chase goes to Cincinnati and who ever they were looking at for 3 will most likely be available at 6.
We're guaranteed to get one of Pitts, Chase or Smith at #6. And we get the SF #3 pick in 2022, and #1 in 2023. And a swap of 2022 first round picks with SF. I would've been happy with any of those at #3.Still think this is how it plays out.
Actually in 2022 we get SF 1st and 3rd Rd picks, Miami traded their own '22 1st to Philly in order to move back up to #6 which is a bad move for them going WR or offense in general when they have Two 1st Round picks and can get 2 of the Top 5 let's say Defensive prospects regardless of position and some of those I have mentioned like Paye, Oweh, Parsons, Moehrig, and there is a laundry list of guys they can get and still come back in the 2nd with 36 pick and take Elijah Moore as an example or if need be trade up to like 25 or 28 if you need to move up a few spots to get the WR you want after Waddle/Chase/Smith have left the building. At 50 they can go RB possibly or take an OL like Dickerson for lack of a better name at Center and give them some beef inside. They pick again at 81.We're guaranteed to get one of Pitts, Chase or Smith at #6. And we get the SF #3 pick in 2022, and #1 in 2023. And a swap of 2022 first round picks with SF. I would've been happy with any of those at #3.