*** 2025 Pittsburgh Steelers: good draft on paper. Back to the Rodgers wait (8 Viewers)

[rockaction]

Kind of surprised him and Landry had 0 trade market.

Veteran price demands are too much for what you get. I play IDP and one of my astute leaguemates (Gally) thinks Allen is pretty much done. Landry is a lot of money for a pass rusher who isn't great at pass rushing. He ranked 197 out of 211 in PFF grading for the passing game and only had 30 pressures, which was good for 63rd out of 211. He graded out really strong against the run.

He and Allen are on the wrong side of 28.

 

[pghrob]

Looking at what the Seahawks are doing, Steelers fans can find comfort in the adage "Misery loves company." Lockett gets released immediately before Metcalf announcement that they're entertaining trade offers for him. Then they trade their starting QB for a 3rd round pick. Now they are wondering what they will do at QB.

 

[crushedspirit]

We essentially are down to 6 teams (Steelers, Giants, Seahawks, Titans, Jets, Browns) that will be in the market for either Fields, Wilson, Darnold or Rodgers.

They have two of these guys within their grasp and have signed neither. My guess is Fields is waiting to talk to the Jets starting Monday, while Wilson is waiting for the Giants. Meanwhile the Titans and Browns are waiting in the wings, while Seattle is rumored to go after Darnold.

Not sure what the plan was, but it's coming down to the witching hour.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Looking at what the Seahawks are doing, Steelers fans can find comfort in the adage "Misery loves company." Lockett gets released immediately before Metcalf announcement that they're entertaining trade offers for him. Then they trade their starting QB for a 3rd round pick. Now they are wondering what they will do at QB.

It feels like the Seahawks are going to chuck money at Darnold, for better or worse.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I have heard so many different things, I don’t know what to believe. Heard we were all in on Stafford and had a deal but he didn’t want to come. Then we had a deal agreed on with Fields but then he changed his mind and wants to see the market first. Then heard it’s Russ. Now Darnold, Russ, or Rodgers, but Fields is def gone.

"Season of Lies." Same thing, pretty much every year at this time. When connected guys like the embedded PG reporter print things he claims were from his sources, that are almost 100% diametrically opposed three days apart...that pretty much tells me anything that's coming out the the front office's collective mouths can probably be ignored until the draft (Remember when they were "absotively posilutely" drafting Malik Willis in round 1? That was fun.).

That said....they really are tripping over their own feet here. If they truly wanted a guy (whichever it was) from one of the two they had rights to speak with this whole time, they'd have got that done already. "Money be damned." Since they didn't that tells me, quite clearly, that they're more concerned about getting whomever they get at their precise dollar figure than anything else. "We really love "Insert Name Here", but if he won't play for "N-1 Dollars" well.....I guess we'll just go after someone else later unless he changes his mind after he hits the market."

What that mindset opens them up to, which I'm sure they're fully aware of, is precisely what could be coming to fruition: NONE of the QBs you have interest in may want to sign for the precise dollar figure the FO has in mind. And if that happens, then the backup option is likely going to be "Waste another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder on a non-first or second round caliber QB" while also having to bring in some stiff like Winston, or Brissett, or Minshew to fill a seat for a year.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

TL;DR: I'd like to be the first to welcome Jaxxxxxxon Dart and Joe Flacco to Pittsburgh!

 

[rockaction]

And if that happens, then the backup option is likely going to be "Waste another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder on a non-first or second round caliber QB" while also having to bring in some stiff like Winston

I know Jameis has a way of turning the ball over in a spectacular fashion in crucial situations (with flair, one might say), but is he worse than the tandem of Russ and Fields? I don't really know, so I'm asking other people.

 

[crushedspirit]

Winston is a roller coaster ride. Tomlin would pass out watching his interceptions weekly.

 

[rockaction]

Winston is a roller coaster ride. Tomlin would pass out watching his interceptions weekly.

I didn't even once consider Tomlin's attitude towards watching the ball fly in the air with no particular place to go. Noted. Forget Winston.

 

[travdogg]

And if that happens, then the backup option is likely going to be "Waste another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder on a non-first or second round caliber QB" while also having to bring in some stiff like Winston

I know Jameis has a way of turning the ball over in a spectacular fashion in crucial situations, but is he worse than the tandem of Russ and Fields? I don't really know, so I'm asking other people.

Yes, a lot worse. Winston is fun for fantasy (especially his WRs) but he's a middling backup, who is probably the worst QB in the NFL at decision making, who also isn't very accurate either.

Wilson and Fields, in my opinion, are NFL starters at least. Wilson's problem is a refusal to adjust for the fact that he's no longer mobile, he takes a lot of killer sacks that its seems like he thinks he can avoid. Fields still doesn't read defenses that great, but he's cleaned up the rest of his game a lot and obviously brings running ability the others don't and is still only 26.

I'd say: Fields>>Wilson>>>Winston

 

[crushedspirit]

I have heard so many different things, I don’t know what to believe. Heard we were all in on Stafford and had a deal but he didn’t want to come. Then we had a deal agreed on with Fields but then he changed his mind and wants to see the market first. Then heard it’s Russ. Now Darnold, Russ, or Rodgers, but Fields is def gone.

"Season of Lies." Same thing, pretty much every year at this time. When connected guys like the embedded PG reporter print things he claims were from his sources, that are almost 100% diametrically opposed three days apart...that pretty much tells me anything that's coming out the the front office's collective mouths can probably be ignored until the draft (Remember when they were "absotively posilutely" drafting Malik Willis in round 1? That was fun.).

That said....they really are tripping over their own feet here. If they truly wanted a guy (whichever it was) from one of the two they had rights to speak with this whole time, they'd have got that done already. "Money be damned." Since they didn't that tells me, quite clearly, that they're more concerned about getting whomever they get at their precise dollar figure than anything else. "We really love "Insert Name Here", but if he won't play for "N-1 Dollars" well.....I guess we'll just go after someone else later unless he changes his mind after he hits the market."

What that mindset opens them up to, which I'm sure they're fully aware of, is precisely what could be coming to fruition: NONE of the QBs you have interest in may want to sign for the precise dollar figure the FO has in mind. And if that happens, then the backup option is likely going to be "Waste another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder on a non-first or second round caliber QB" while also having to bring in some stiff like Winston, or Brissett, or Minshew to fill a seat for a year.

We all know the Steelers like to offer bargain basement prices in comparison to other teams. If they were serious QB market offers, one or the other would have signed by now, (I'm assuming they did make offers to one or both).

They still have today and tomorrow, so we wait.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

And if that happens, then the backup option is likely going to be "Waste another 1st rounder or 2nd rounder on a non-first or second round caliber QB" while also having to bring in some stiff like Winston

I know Jameis has a way of turning the ball over in a spectacular fashion in crucial situations (with flair, one might say), but is he worse than the tandem of Russ and Fields? I don't really know, so I'm asking other people.

I'd take Winston cheap.purely for "entertainmemt"/burn it to the ground purposes. Mike Tomlin most certainly will not.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Of all available options, in the current scenario from the FOs perspective (e.g. "We won 10 games! We are close!" etc) Fields is the most logical target....but thats been the case since they dropped 5 straight, and they haven't brokered a deal.

I assume theyre attempting to squeeze pennies here and use the "Tomlin/Steelers mystique" angle as a club. It may well torch them this time...but it may be exactly what the org. needs to get out of their dated mentality?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

“Omar scrambling”

 

[5-ish Finkle]

“Omar scrambling”

There's always Tanny and Mariotta! Artie can get the band back together!

 

[sm8680]

5-ish Finkle you've been on a roll lately! I really hope the Steelers re-sign Justin Fields. In my opinion, he's the logical target. Sam Darnold would be a massive overpay, and the Steelers don't have the right offensive coaches or system to support him like he had in Minnesota. While Mike Tomlin may now want Justin Fields, if Justin ends up leaving, I think we can blame Tomlin for benching him and not giving him another opportunity, especially during that horrendous 5-game losing streak last year. I honestly believe that Justin could save Tomlin's job if he progresses and trends upwards in 2025. I'm split though. I want Justin as a Steeler for the team's success, but I also think Tomlin needs to be on the hot seat even more so.

We can say what we want about Najee he will more than likely land on his feet much like James Connors did. With the Steelers aging defense and sketchy offense this upcoming week has the potential not to go the Steelers way.

 

[Grid71]

Think @5-ish Finkle nailed it. Season of lies.

Steelers have an abundance of cap space for a change. If the Omar and Rooneys wanted one of the QB badly enough, they can make it happen.

My take stands. I’m not rooting for anyone in particular. Trade for Desmond Ridder for all I care. I believe the team is looking for dirt cheap QB options again. Put the team in a cap friendly position and set the stage for 2026 with a good OL and ground game. Create the ideal environment to draft a rookie who will be the franchise. AKA March for Arch.

 

[Godsbrother]

Steelers acquire DK Metcalf for a 2025 second round pick. Also extend him to 5 years, $150
million

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What a weird landing spot.

He said he didn’t want to play in the PNW because of the weather, so he goes to… PIT?


But that’s ok because his QB is… wait, who’s his QB now?

Weird.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Steelers acquire DK Metcalf for a 2025 second round pick. Also extend him to 5 years

2nd for DK, 3rd for Geno - more picks to beef up that OL for Darnold?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Wow. Didn't see that coming.

 

[sm8680]

Getting DK is better than gambling in this years draft. Arthur will love his blocking skills. I'm so glad we have a WR2.

 

[Godsbrother]

I gotta think they have a pretty good feeling on who they’re going to sign as QB.

My gut tells me it’s Wilson

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I gotta think they have a pretty good feeling on who they’re going to sign as QB.

My gut tells me it’s Wilson

Yeah I mean if they re-sign Russ this makes a lot more sense.

As a Wilson shareholder in a 12 team SF I don’t hate it.

 

[sm8680]

I gotta think they have a pretty good feeling on who they’re going to sign as QB.

My gut tells me it’s Wilson

I hope not. RW is a $&#@. I'd think that Arthur would be against resigning RW.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Could mean Pickens on his way out ….

 

[sm8680]

Pickens just got more money yesterday. I'd think he's still in their plans.

 

[ex-ghost]

Pickens just got more money yesterday. I'd think he's still in their plans.

Talk about another diva joining Pitt. He will fit in wonderfully.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Do you guys have any idea what the Steelers' plan is for the next few years? They certainly have smarter folks than me running things, but I'm just a little confused by their moves the last year or two.

 

[tbsteel]

Do you guys have any idea what the Steelers' plan is for the next few years? They certainly have smarter folks than me running things, but I'm just a little confused by their moves the last year or two.

It all makes sense when you realize they're ultimate goal every year is to get to 9 wins. Anything beyond that is a complete bonus.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pickens just got more money yesterday. I'd think he's still in their plans.

Heard they have been exploring trading him a few weeks now on the DL.

 

[karl.Racki]

Alot of talk Steelers are going to after Darnold

 

[irish eyes]

Still no one to throw it to him & there isn't anyone available worthwhile to pickup.

 

[karl.Racki]

Still no one to throw it to him & there isn't anyone available worthwhile to pickup.

Sam Darnold.. Russsini thinks Steelers will offer Darnold a nice contract and it will be between them and Seattle.

 

[dutch]

I gotta think they have a pretty good feeling on who they’re going to sign as QB.

My gut tells me it’s Wilson

I'm thinking Rodgers. This is an all in type of move and neither Wilson nor Darnold are all in type qbs. Tomlin can hear his clock ticking.

 

[dutch]

Darnold will break steeler country hearts, imo.

 

[dutch]

Do you guys have any idea what the Steelers' plan is for the next few years? They certainly have smarter folks than me running things, but I'm just a little confused by their moves the last year or two.

The goal is now or never as they are faced with the Bengals and Ravens today forward so they are loading up for a 2021 Rams like ending but I'm not sure it's gonna work.

 

[rockaction]

What a weird landing spot.

He said he didn’t want to play in the PNW because of the weather, so he goes to… PIT?


But that’s ok because his QB is… wait, who’s his QB now?

Weird.

One hundred and fifty million reasons to forget about the weather once a week for about eight weeks out of the year. And DK loves sprinting even if there's no football in sight.

Win-win all around.

 

[menobrown]

Don’t think I’ve ever disliked a trade/contract for the Steelers more in my life.

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here. Not a good pairing in this offense, their combined tantrums and outburst just to much to handle.

 

[rockaction]

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here

Either that or you're trying to bring back Stallworth/Swann redux and trying to bomb away at will while running the ball thirty-five times a game.

 

[menobrown]

Pickens just got more money yesterday. I'd think he's still in their plans.

PPE bonuses are not awarded by teams. It’s automatic bonus they receive based on performance.

 

[karl.Racki]

Don’t think I’ve ever disliked a trade/contract for the Steelers more in my life.

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here. Not a good pairing in this offense, their combined tantrums and outburst just to much to handle.

why would you hate this? WR is a huge need and DK is better than anyone that they would get in Round 2. You can argue the contact is hefty, but I am a fan and will let the FO worry about that.

 

[ffmail4me]

Is Metcalf a mature guy? If so, maybe they are hoping he will rub off on Pickens?

 

[karl.Racki]

I think they will still draft a WR in one of the first 3 rounds and maybe move Austin or even Pickens at the draft..

I suspect with how they dumped Johnson fast, the head case stuff with Pickens is wearing it's welcome fast.

 

[menobrown]

Don’t think I’ve ever disliked a trade/contract for the Steelers more in my life.

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here. Not a good pairing in this offense, their combined tantrums and outburst just to much to handle.

why would you hate this? WR is a huge need and DK is better than anyone that they would get in Round 2. You can argue the contact is hefty, but I am a fan and will let the FO worry about that.

Not sure where to start.

The second by itself is of course fine but make no mistake this draft class is extremely deep and that was a very valuable pick. I don't agree with you that the way you look at the trade is analyzing the WR you could pick in round two as justification. Because....

That's the worst contract I can recall handing out to a WR. You could make a case DK is regressing. He is for sure not exactly a technicican and I'm not seeing any improvement plus he's a head case in his own right. Not as much as Pickens off the field, I'd argue every bit as much on the field.

Which brings me to PIckens. I don't view DK as an upgrade on the field over Pickens. I also don't think they can co-exist. So to me this either means they will trade George, which I view as most likely outcome, or he plays out his last year and walks.

We have no QB. Perhaps, even likely, they did not enter into this trade until talks with Fields, Wilson or Darnold have got to a point they know they will be signing one of them next week and what that contract will look like. So this part might be accounted for but if it's Wilson you still go no future at QB, the other two TBD. I don't believe in this method of team buliding. I think they panicked.

ETA-I may soften on my stance depending on his contract structure. All I know right now is they added4/132 to his existing $18m.

 

[menobrown]

Best news I got for Steelers fans is we are going to get an enormous amount of comp picks next year but that draft won't be as deep as this one. I know part of that formula accounts for the players you sign but Dan Moore is going to get paid, might be best OT on the market as hard as that is to believe. Add in at least one if not both of our QB's getting paid, Daniels will have a nice market because G is super weak in this draft and then Najee.

Could/should be looking at multiple thirds. Can see them dealing some picks next year for some draft capital this year on notion they know the comp picks will be coming.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Alot of talk Steelers are going to after Darnold

Good weapons, decent line. I don’t love it, but it could work.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here

Either that or you're trying to bring back Stallworth/Swann redux and trying to bomb away at will while running the ball thirty-five times a game.

Warren could be a nice investment in dynasty if he’s featured in such a scheme.

 

[menobrown]

And I think it does mean Pickens is not long here

Either that or you're trying to bring back Stallworth/Swann redux and trying to bomb away at will while running the ball thirty-five times a game.

Warren could be a nice investment in dynasty if he’s featured in such a scheme.

He probably won't be, and if he's back it's most likely on a one year RFA deal, but we are thinking alike in that I was just thinking that the talent on the OL(not so much performance but talent) with potential of two WR's who open things up could be super nice for whoever the RB is for them That's IF, and I can't make that IF bigger or I would, they keep Pickens. If not it's just status quo IMO at WR, with strong chance the OL takes a major leap.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Well all of a sudden they went from probably the worst WR unit in the league to potentially one of the better ones. I’m willing to see this one play out.