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2025 Team Defense & Defense by Committee Thread (7 Viewers)
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Pigskin Fanatic
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If Diggs is really okay, then I'm sticking with Dal ROS. but buyer beware, without Diggs' pick-6 in a couple of games, this unit's performance looked like yesterday, which is worse than mediocre.
I mean... It was the Vikings? One of the best offenses in the NFL and they made Cooks and Jefferson look terrible. I think they are still a solid defense but they do lose a lot of the upside without Diggs which really made them elite. But I still think against a non top-10 offense they are startable and against a weaker offense they should be elite even without Diggs.
Broncos are much much worse offense than Vikings...
Praying he comes back soon though and it's not a long term injury.
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I think of MN as a neutral matchup. If you cant play your defense in neutral matchups then they should be thrown to the scrap heap for the next flavor of the week.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
sure, for yesterday. and in week 3 against philly. and again in week 5 against the giants. great weeks thanks to one play, pick + TD. a lot of this defense for fantasy purposes is dependent on Diggs being 100%.
Those still weren't top 10 worst offenses per fantasy scoring. They were middle of the pack and division matchups so they weren't exactly pushover weeks. I agree, to be elite they need Diggs. To be startable against a team like Jets, Houston, Denver, Atlanta I'm not sure. Especially with the garbage defenses people start against this teams... Don't think cowboys are any worse than taking a flyer on someone like Seattle vs Jacksonville.
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Could be. I am only going based off FP scored and based on the numbers, they are a negative matchup.
MIN VS CIN - Bengals score 4 points
MIN VS ARI - Cards score -2 points
MIN VS CLE - Cleveland scores 18 points
MIN VS CAR - Panthers score 2 points
Outside of CLE, the three other top 16 DSTs who faced Vikings scored 4 points or less so Dallas scoring 4 points was within expectations for me. By your logic, CIN, CAR, and ARI should also be thrown to the scrap heap. However, as we move deeper in the season I find it harder and harder to find higher ranked defenses as people start stashing and I think I'd rather have these defenses than a bottom 16 defense vs the bottom 10 offenses.
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Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
I have the luxury of having trade capital to put up for a defense, do we consider any to be trade-worthy? It feels like an bad year for team defenses, even the ones that came off the board early are struggling. I'm nearly a lock for the playoffs so I'm hoping to have a plug-and-play for week 13 on.
I hear ya. My positional players have been bad enough, my defense and kickers have not helped at all. I'm making all the wrong moves; this week it was the Bears with a -1. I've averaged a whopping 10 points combined weekly from kicking and defense and looking at the playoff schedule, don't see anything that looks enticing.
Rams... That Von Miller trade... They just became even scarier. Problem is their schedule going forward isn't the best. 4 bad matchups and a bye. GB, ARI, MIN, and BAL.
Last time they faced Arizona they got -5 and when they faced TB they got 0 so they aren't immune to bad games... But I don't know impact of Von Miller yet. May be worth a shot. When Bears were dominant and then got Mack, they become super elite.
Otherwise Bills have the best schedule going forward with no byes and 8 neutral+ matchups. 7 against the 10 worst offenses. They are also the #1 ranked fantasy defense right now. You can look at my spreadsheet for further details if you need them.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Top streaming defenses this week in my league are the Steelers, Colts and Saints.
Leaning Steelers over Saints at this point.
Leaning Steelers over Saints at this point.
Insein
Footballguy
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None available for me unfortunately. Miami vs Houston unfortunately looks like one of better options -
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Watch for Tyrod's status. If he's playing, it may be worth looking at GB on the road at KC. Or even the Giants hosting the Raiders.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Is Green Bay flying under the radar?
Tied for 7th in the league in sacks, forcing turnovers. That first week against NO skews them down a bit in points against as well and overall scoring in FF. Otherwise they have been a pretty steady defense. All without having scored any defensive TDs...and all thus far without Za'Darius Smith (who may possibly return) and for weeks now without Jaire Alexander (who also may return down the stretch).
Ive got Dallas and still like them...but GB is intriguing to me as they don't live off of just turnovers and the TDs that Dallas has scored.
In another league I have Indy and am holding them the next 2 weeks for sure...but watching GB in both.
Tied for 7th in the league in sacks, forcing turnovers. That first week against NO skews them down a bit in points against as well and overall scoring in FF. Otherwise they have been a pretty steady defense. All without having scored any defensive TDs...and all thus far without Za'Darius Smith (who may possibly return) and for weeks now without Jaire Alexander (who also may return down the stretch).
Ive got Dallas and still like them...but GB is intriguing to me as they don't live off of just turnovers and the TDs that Dallas has scored.
In another league I have Indy and am holding them the next 2 weeks for sure...but watching GB in both.
Just picked them up. -- very consistent double digit scoring since week 3 in my league
Insein
Footballguy
You have a point. They're not getting huge numbers but they've been the most consistent all year in my leagues scoring system. Throwing out week 1, their low is 12 and their high is 18. Sacks and turnovers offset any yardage or point penalties. Matchups don't look great but you'd be hard pressed to find a safer option each week.
Yeah… i read them for fun / color. But I find more success looking forward for at least 4 weeks rather than streaming week to week. Streaming weekly works when you are the only one to do it. However, I think many here have others in the league doing the same which limits the pools especially in weeks where there are few good matchups to begin with.
It’s basically chess with your league mates. Got to think ahead a few steps.
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OnTheReg
Footballguy
100% right. That's why I just nabbed the Eagles after looking at their schedule later in the season.
Week 10:
Denver
Week 13-17:
Giants, Jets, WFT, Giants, WFT
4th&inches
Footballguy
Jordan Love the only active QB in Green Bay this week...KC looking like a decent play now.
robb
Footballguy
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
robb
Footballguy
Drake Hater
Footballguy
If it keeps spreading through the GB team then the KC defense is going to be a must-play at home this weekend.
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
If New England got cut due to the game with the Chargers last week, they look like they could be getting Darnold’s backup.... which now that I mention it might be an upgrade.
Absolutely Nothing
Footballguy
The spread would have to hit the RBs AND O-line for me to even consider starting KC. Certainly not a must-start in any case. That defense is terrible, man.
Yeah, thought of this just after I picked them upsho nuff said:
. May just roll the Ravens out there vs Minny. Not comfortable with it, but Love is such an unknown; worry about KC getting short fields, turnovers and scoring easier. --I sure hope not as I'm starting Love 
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Joked in last night's game thread when Josh Johnson came in that it would be hilarious if the Jets keep going further and further down their QB depth chart and getting better and better production ... and then Johnson went out and threw for 317 and three tuddies in three quarters of play.
Indy/Cinci don't have world-beating Ds, but they're both competent, and Jets hung 30 on each of them with different journeymen QBs. If it had just been White, you could maybe have convinced me that he was this undiscovered gem. But Josh Johnson? Nuh-uh. That guy is like the definition of a replacement-level QB. So maybe the answer is that Mike LeFleur knows what he's doing and can scheme up a good game regardless of who's behind center.
Which has me wondering ... are the Jets no longer a smash play for opposing DSTs?
They play Buffalo next week, and their D is set-and-forget regardless of opponent, but after that they play the Dolphins (twice), Texans, Eagles, Saints, Jags and Bucs. Other than the Saints, I'm not sure any of those are worth elevating based on the match-up.
Of course, maybe Wilson comes back in a week or two and goes back to turning the ball over multiple times per game. Or maybe the past two weeks were a mirage. Still, something worth keeping an eye on.
Indy/Cinci don't have world-beating Ds, but they're both competent, and Jets hung 30 on each of them with different journeymen QBs. If it had just been White, you could maybe have convinced me that he was this undiscovered gem. But Josh Johnson? Nuh-uh. That guy is like the definition of a replacement-level QB. So maybe the answer is that Mike LeFleur knows what he's doing and can scheme up a good game regardless of who's behind center.
Which has me wondering ... are the Jets no longer a smash play for opposing DSTs?
They play Buffalo next week, and their D is set-and-forget regardless of opponent, but after that they play the Dolphins (twice), Texans, Eagles, Saints, Jags and Bucs. Other than the Saints, I'm not sure any of those are worth elevating based on the match-up.
Of course, maybe Wilson comes back in a week or two and goes back to turning the ball over multiple times per game. Or maybe the past two weeks were a mirage. Still, something worth keeping an eye on.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Not disagreeing with you that his propensity to turn the ball over has definitely boosted their opponents' fantasy totals. Still, if I told you that Josh Johnson was going to be the QB for an offense with no major stars at the skill positions, you would assume the opposing D would be a lock, right?
Not sure I agree with no major stars. Ok maybe not stars but Moore, Crowder, Davis (out this week), Cole, Mims, Carter, Johnson are all talented receivers. I actually thought the Jets would have a sneaky good offense this year and Wilson ####ed it all up.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
They're fine, I guess. But my point was, if you told me the Chiefs third stringer had a good game, I would say, "OK, he figured out how to chuck it up to Tyreek and Kelce." No one would have looked at the Jets weapons before last night's game and thought, "These guys can definitely carry Josh Freakin' Johnson to 300/3."
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I would have asked you “who is Josh Johnson?”.ignatiusjreilly said:
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I vaguely remember him from years ago, and I think i may have known he was Marshawn’s cousin, but I also always get him mixed up with Josh Freeman
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
New England D gets a slight downgrade with CMC’s likely return (even on a snap count). Was considering starting them over Pitt D week but this news has me back on Pitt.
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Sarlakticacid
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Pietaster2
Footballguy
The Titans DST has my attention after Sunday night's dominant performance against the Rams. I see their name get mentioned in this thread from time to time, but shutting down the Rams has convinced me.
Pretty good schedule before their week 13 bye, and a playoffs schedule of @PIT, and then getting SF and Miami at home doesn't seem nearly as scary as it did to begin the season.
I hope I can steal them with my 11th WW priority.
Pretty good schedule before their week 13 bye, and a playoffs schedule of @PIT, and then getting SF and Miami at home doesn't seem nearly as scary as it did to begin the season.
I hope I can steal them with my 11th WW priority.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Horrible offenses kill even good defenses. See Sam Darnold
