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'22 WR Class - Is There Another Jefferson Chase? (1 Viewer)
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AB's the most talented WR still kicking but he finally might have gone to far and the league is shut on him. But Rodgers having being handed more say in the offensive roster construction duties since last off season makes me think one of the increasingly few teams that might take a shot on AB is GB if Rodgers made the request.
On trade front maybe someone like the one that is always traded-Brandin Cooks, especially if they can't resign MVS.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Fuller (likely gonna join Watson), me & Julio down by the schoolyard, AJ Green, TY Hilton, DJax (who hilariously cost himself a SB ring), they could try to poach OBJ before the Rams sign him, Landry “past his expiration date” is available, Crowder, Watkins, Sanu - it gets pretty grim as you go down the list. They definitely missed on quite a few viable targets. Which is weird since ARod said they knew *when he signed* that they’d not be signing Adams.
Cooks would absolutely fit the bill.
At this point it’s slim pickins. Surprised they didn’t try to get Woods.
Ilov80s
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They may have. I saw that McVay felt really bad about getting rid of Woods so they worked with him to find a landing spot that Woods was happy with. It also could have been that Woods just didn't want to go to Green Bay.
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Maybe he did not want them as we know Rams tried to accommodate him.
It's enjoyable to me seeing someone with Rodgers ego having top WR's not choosing him, this has to be bugging him to his core. It does however make whoever ends up as his top WR's extremely appealing for a variety of reasons as I don't think he's above wanting to show the WR's who did not want him what they are missing out on.
I've not really heard that GB has been close to having acquired any of the WR's who have signed. Per Glazer the Eagles had reached a deal to acquire Ridley and that's another guy who it would have made sense to go after if you were convinced Adams was leaving(of course before the suspension broke). Just hard to see a team built to win now does not have a move up it's sleeve for a veteran ready now WR help.
Ilov80s
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He is the anti-Brady. I think in his head he doesn't think he needs great WRs. I am sure he sees it that he makes the WRs and not the other way around. Plus I get the feeling he's pretty selfish and is in ME mode. He wants as much money as he can get, that seems to be his priority.
jurrassic
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I am of the opinion that wr is going to resemble rb in the next few years. The evolution of youth sports, the rise of pro-style offenses now mimicking college, etc. I think the smart teams will soon discover paying wrs elite money, while limiting their cap at other positions is not the way to go. The last 3 drafts show you have a real good chance to find a future #1 wr in the first 2 rounds.
2019-M. Brown, AJ Brown, Deebo, Metcalf
2020-Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman Jr., Claypool
2021-Chase, D. Smith (not enough shown from Toney or E. Moore but they had their moments, with poor qbs)
2019-M. Brown, AJ Brown, Deebo, Metcalf
2020-Ruggs, Jeudy, Lamb, Jefferson, Aiyuk, Higgins, Pittman Jr., Claypool
2021-Chase, D. Smith (not enough shown from Toney or E. Moore but they had their moments, with poor qbs)
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Hoyllwood is a great player and is very helpful stretching defenses but I don't know if he is a true WR 1.
Ruggs, Jeudy Aiyuk and Claypool are definitely not WR1s. Pittman might be, but he also might not. Even Lamb still plays from the slot and has room to improve.
Amon Ra was the 2nd best rookie receiver last year. He outplayed Smith enough to say we shouldn't call Smith a WR1.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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@Ilov80s beat me to a lot of points that I was about to make, but I will add the 2020 was also considered an exceptional year for wide receivers.
2019 & 2021 you named 4 & 3 WR, not all of whom are WR1s.
that’s hardly a windfall, much less such a smorgasbord of players that it would depress the market as you suggest.
The reason the shift to wide receiver value has happened is because of the nature of today’s NFL passing game becoming more WR dominant, combined with few truly elite receiving talents.
All due respect, but it’s a trend that I don’t see reversing anytime soon. The very rules of the game of football have evolved to favor receivers. Why go “3 yards & a cloud of dust“ with a running back, when you can chuck the ball 60 yards down the field and get a DPI to advance the ball, even if the catch isn't made?
The passing game is King in today’s NFL.
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Ilov80s
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I will say @jurrassic that I think I still agree with your general point. If WR is so deep, it's probably better to have a nice balanced trio than having 1 alpha with a mega deal who is force fed the ball. For example a trio of Sutton, Amon Ra and Christian Watson might be a better approach then going all in on a Hopkins or Adams.
jurrassic
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I'll admit, my take on #1 is less traditional. I think with the spread offenses and multiple formations, the idea of a true #1 won't exist for much longer. I think if you had an offense with Ruggs, Jeudy and Claypool, you would be more than happy, even if none of them were a "true" #1.
Very few players can exist outside of a scheme. Coming off last season, not sure may people viewed Kupp as a surefire #1
jurrassic
Footballguy
Probably should I read this before responding to the last post. Exactly. Similar to how many teams have gone to rbbc.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Having an alpha tends to open things up for the WR2/3 though. Drawing double coverage, or at least top coverage, can’t be overlooked.
I understand what @jurrassic is saying here, but I’m not sure it really plays out like that.
Teams that have a Metcalf, a Davante Adams, a Chase - they’re going to have a lot softer coverage on the Lockett/MVS/Higgins types because of that. And by extension on the Swain/Lazard/Boyd types peripherally.
If Cinci was rolling out Higgins, Tyler Boyd & a fading AJ Green, I seriously doubt Higgins would be as productive, for example, and I similarly doubt that Boyd or AJG would be getting open against lesser coverage.
The alpha WR is still relevant - and teams lucky enough to have one will always have an advantage over the teams that don’t against a quality secondary. It’s all about exploiting mismatches, and that hypothetical Sutton/ARSB/Watson trio is unlikely to do that against quality defenses.
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Leroy Hoard
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Ilov80s
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I think that is overlooking the reverse which is if Jamar Chase ended up on Miami last year, he probably would have seen more coverage and wouldn't have had quite the big year. Chase having Higgins and Boyd to keep defenses honest likely was also a big help to him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Well probably not Ruggs but I get what you are saying. I think that's maybe not the best comparison because of how big that commitment is. Ruggs was 1.12, Jeudy was 1.15 and Claypool was 2.17. Three top 50 picks at WR in such a short span is a huge investment.
Hot Sauce Guy
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I mean, maybe - or maybe Waddle would have drawn that coverage like Higgins does.
But chase is still demanding the double or the top cover corner, right?
I get the idea, I just don’t see WR evolving to a WRBC like RB does. With the X, Y & Slot roles it’s a different animal, and how defenses roll coverage has a lot to do with who the alpha receiver is.
Running out 3 lesser, equally talented WRs isn’t going to change what the defense does - it’ll just make them easier to cover.
Interesting discussion though.
Ilov80s
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Oh - yes, ok. Sure. Maybe so - but wouldn’t you expect some combo of
, Parker or Fuller (if he were healthy) benefitting from that? Before Waddle the Dolphins pretty much had that “WRBC” with 3 ok but not elite receivers. Didn’t produce a whole lot, though QB / everything else was kinda mediocre too, so not exactly a definitive experiment.
Ilov80s
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Yeah all good points. In the end it’s probably a weird chemistry that’s hard to predict. Maybe a case by case situation.Oh - yes, ok. Sure. Maybe so - but wouldn’t you expect some combo of
Before Waddle the Dolphins pretty much had that “WRBC” with 3 ok but not elite receivers. Didn’t produce a whole lot, though QB / everything else was kinda mediocre too, so not exactly a definitive experiment.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This, to me, is the single largest failure of how RBBC are employed.
I don’t mind the RBBC. It’s lazy play-calling that makes it predictable that I hate.
I’ll never understand why teams that employ a “between the tackles” guy, and a scat-back/receiving back don’t line up with 2 RB in the backfield more often to avoid telegraphing run or pass.
That formation alone would keep a defense off balance, theoretically. Seems obvious so I must be missing something.
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Bracie Smathers
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Not sure I agree but worth a share.
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Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
I don’t think people understand how good the top 3 WRs in this class are.
Drake London is Keyshawn Johnson
The 2 from Ohio State (Wilson+ Olave) are Julio and Fast Keenan Allen. They’re ridiculous
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Dan Orlovsky@danorlovsky7
I don’t think people understand how good the top 3 WRs in this class are.
Drake London is Keyshawn Johnson
The 2 from Ohio State (Wilson+ Olave) are Julio and Fast Keenan Allen. They’re ridiculous
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coyote5
Footballguy
What are you basing this on?? I don't think there's anything tangible out there to support this.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
So where’s everyone drafting Jefferson Chase, anyway? 
Ilov80s
Footballguy
My thoughts. That is why I said "I think". Just my reading on his personality and his incredible level of performance. I acknowledge I don't have concrete info. Just what I see from his long time arrogance and the fact he's turned a lot of mediocre WR prospects into stars.
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barackdhouse
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I think the most ideal backfield is to have three guys who are all good between the tackles and outside, good receivers and good pass blockers. You have the #1 taking 60-70% of snaps, the #2 gets ~20% and a #3 for the rest. But the key is they can all catch and they can all run. The idea is to give the alpha two or three series in a row and then let the beta get one. But there is no differentiation between passing downs/running downs. It's just that guy's turn or it isn't. No telegraphing.
Tough for GMs and coaches to find that combo but I think that is the pie in the sky they really want if at all possible. Instead of having specialists you have guys that can all do it all, but with a depth chart.
ETA in the Jefferson Chase thread let's talk RBBC philosophy
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JohnnyU
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Be careful, I got slapped around by one poster for making a joke about that.So where’s everyone drafting Jefferson Chase, anyway?
