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3-4 Defensive Ends (1 Viewer)
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Weiner Dog
Footballguy
3-4 "ends" are essentially "tackles". Trevor Pryce was productive last year, but it's hard to find many productive 3-4 DE's. Normally, their primary job is not to allow the OL to touch the playmaking LB's.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Igor would be a wonderful IDP in a 4-3 as a DT in a league that used DTs. He's not really a DE in any scheme and plays more like a tackle in SD while Castillo is the acting end of the "3" part in that set.Spears is tough to call. I think he would be interesting in a 4-3 as a DE, but I have doubts he'd be a quality IDP. The new D in Dallas is supposed to free up the DEs to make more plays and the DEs are excited about it, but Canty has been more impressive than Spears to date. Hatcher is probably better too. There's a glut of young DEs I prefer with solid potential ranked around these two.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
As CC started to get into, you're looking for three things in a 3-4 DE. Aggressive, one-gap scheme, some pass rush skill and a nice supporting cast. The Wade Phillips (and disciples) school of 3-4 scheme -- think Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, Michael McCrary (briefly), Marques Douglas, Luis Castillo -- produces the most likely to succeed 3-4 ends. You'll get a Ty Warren or Orpheus Roye or Aaron Smith now and then out of the two gap school, but they often don't have the big sack upside the others do. But, even if you find a 3-4 DE in an aggressive scheme, it makes no difference if they aren't talented enough to take advantage. Finally, it certainly helps if the lineman lines up to the same side as a ridiculously talented rush OLB and/or stud NT to deflect/attract blocking schemes.
For 2007, the short list of 3-4 ends with the most upside include:
Phillips etal guys (sack upside): Luis Castillo, Chris Canty, Marques Douglas, Bryant Young, Ray McDonald
My love for Castillo is well known and I've been pimping Canty (RDE in front of Ware) and McDonald most of the offseason. Douglas is probably more of a tackle upside guy, but Young still has enough pass rush skill to surprise in the 3-4. Olshansky has no pass rush capability and little upside as a result. Spears might succeed in this system, but will have to deal with TE and doesn't have the benefit of Ware.
Primarily 2 gap guys (stud tacklers): Robaire Smith, Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Shaun Ellis, Aaron Smith, Darnell Dockett
These guys are all interesting, but (except in the case of Seymour and Ellis) don't have the pass rush skill to be anything more than nice tackle options. You may recognize Roye, Smith and Warren as nice producers in the past, but look at their career stats. Look like seismographs -- little year-to-year consistency. You take Warren at cost, I'll take Dockett on sale. I may kill you in the boxscore by year's end. The two gap school is tough to graduate from with any reliable IDP value.
For 2007, the short list of 3-4 ends with the most upside include:
Phillips etal guys (sack upside): Luis Castillo, Chris Canty, Marques Douglas, Bryant Young, Ray McDonald
My love for Castillo is well known and I've been pimping Canty (RDE in front of Ware) and McDonald most of the offseason. Douglas is probably more of a tackle upside guy, but Young still has enough pass rush skill to surprise in the 3-4. Olshansky has no pass rush capability and little upside as a result. Spears might succeed in this system, but will have to deal with TE and doesn't have the benefit of Ware.
Primarily 2 gap guys (stud tacklers): Robaire Smith, Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Shaun Ellis, Aaron Smith, Darnell Dockett
These guys are all interesting, but (except in the case of Seymour and Ellis) don't have the pass rush skill to be anything more than nice tackle options. You may recognize Roye, Smith and Warren as nice producers in the past, but look at their career stats. Look like seismographs -- little year-to-year consistency. You take Warren at cost, I'll take Dockett on sale. I may kill you in the boxscore by year's end. The two gap school is tough to graduate from with any reliable IDP value.
Rovers
Footballguy
For whatever it's worth, Ellis has had the best camp I can recall, and had 2 sacks in the preseason game against Minny. It was against the scout team today, but Ellis had at least 6 sacks at TC. Very disruptive. He also stays in for all D formations and could I think have a nice bump in his numbers. Not saying he's a FF starter in most leagues, but is solid depth. I would not be surprised to see him hit double digits in sacks this year, he's looked that good. The Jets are also running some 4-3 this year, and that would help his numbers too.
