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1.15: Who Should The Pittsburgh Steelers Take? (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
One of the cornerbacks - Revis/Houston/Hall
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Lawrence Timmons or Paul Posluszny.
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Lawrence Timmons or Paul Posluszny.
You sound like me... any one of these 7 guys... LOLThis tells me that they should look for a tradedown if they can find a dance partner.Carriker is the only one that stands out as someone worth staying put for.
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Marc Faletti
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Carriker deserves first consideration if he's there, but he was long gone on my board. Otherwise, I'm not sure Timmons will last as long as some expect, meaning a trade down could cost the Steelers their Porter 2.0.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Really, they're in a position to go BPA.
Receiver and o-lineman are also options.
Receiver and o-lineman are also options.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
There's been a lot of debate on this on Stiller homer boards. Pretty much the only thing everyone can agree on is that we will not be taking:
RB
QB
TE
C (unless it's someone who can play multiple positions and will project well to G)
Carriker is a name I keep seeing again and again.
BPA from OL/DL/LB make the most sense to me, with CB being a dark horse.
RB
QB
TE
C (unless it's someone who can play multiple positions and will project well to G)
Carriker is a name I keep seeing again and again.
BPA from OL/DL/LB make the most sense to me, with CB being a dark horse.
streamkeeper
Footballguy
With some luck I would like to hope the kid from Louisville could drop to 15. Stranger things have happened.
imo, no chance he gets past St. Louis.
I wouldnt mind Kalil - Big Sean makes the case well - this guy will shore up Center for years and years to come, and we will be able to lose Hartings to retirement without skipping a beat. Of course, they signed Mahan to compete with Okobi (and maybe Simmons), so this would be a cue that they don't plan on taking Kalil. Of course if they trade down to the mid 20s, Kalil becomes a lot more attractive.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
For the o-line, would Justin Blalock's versatility be intriguing to the Steelers?
There's something about Timmons that keeps me from really being on board endorsing him as the pick. He's just... gangly. Sure he explodes forward in a straight line like nobodies business, but I cringe when I see him move laterally, and he's just not very stout at the point of attack. I definitely think he would replace Porter's speed rush, but I would not want him in there for anything except obvious passing downs until the other parts of his game are up to snuff, and if we are looking at just a pass rush specialist (for now), then a guy like Antawn Barnes should be there in the 4th.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Paul Posluszny just screams "Steeler" to me. At least from a personality standpoint.
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Blalock's sick drive blocking ability would work well, but I would rather they spend the first on another position. Other than Faneca, we have Simmons, Mahan, Okobi, Kemoeatu at guard, we have Smith, Starks, Essex, Colon at tackle. I hope we can find a way to make that work.
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Agreed. Generally the qualities that make a good Steeler and the qualities that make a good Nittany Lion are one in the same.
Steeler fans, other than Okoye (already mentioned) who is the dream player to have fall to us?
I would do a 180 on my proclamation above re: spending the first on an OL if Levi Brown slides the way that some predict he will.
I would do a 180 on my proclamation above re: spending the first on an OL if Levi Brown slides the way that some predict he will.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I'm assuming he'd be looked at as an ILB for the Men of Steel? Doesn't strike me as a good fit for a 3-4 OLB.Carriker is obviously a great fit if available.ETA: Okoye as a DE, ala Ty Warren?
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Evilgrin 72
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I see non-stop projections of a CB to Pittsburgh. I just don't see it. Unless they've given up on Taylor (and every indication out of Pittsburgh from Tomlin indicates the exact opposite,) you have to think they see Taylor and McFadden as their corners for the next 5-10 years (both are very young.) I could definitely see them drafting depth here, but not in round 1 - you don't draft a top-3 corner to have him play nickel for a decade.
Now at OLB, you have Haggans and Harrison and really no depth. Harrison is unproven as a starter and Haggans is around 30. Here is where I could definitely see them going, either with Timmons, Posluszny (if they think he can play ILB in the 3-4 especially - I'm not sure he has the speed/size to be an effective pass rusher) or Moss. Moss can play 3-4 OLB with a few pounds shed or 4-3 DE with a few added, so his versatility makes sense if they're going to play more hybrid defenses going forward.
Of course, if they do move Keisel to OLB, then the hole opens at DE. Carriker, IMO, is the prototype Steelers 3-4 end. Branch, I think, would be better suited to play NT, but others seem to think he could be effective on the end in a 3-4. Okoye is quicker than Branch, but seems to me to be strictly a 4-3 guy. Jamal Anderson, should he fall, could play 3-4 or 4-3 end, so his versatility would also be a plus.
Don't completely rule out the possibility of a receiver. As Andy said, they are in a position to take BPA without any glaring holes, so taking advantage of the depth this draft has to offer at WR is a slim possibility. Getting a guy like Ted Ginn to pair with old teammate Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward with Heath Miller and Willie Parker certianly sets the offense up with a LOT of threats. A big target like Bowe, Jarrett, or Meachem also fills a need.
OL is also a distinct possibility. Most people seem to have them looking tackle, but I feel the bigger problems are inside. Simmons has tailed off some after his spate of injuries, Hartings is gone, and Faneca is a free agent after this year. Colon (who many feel can play G), Okobi, Mahan, and Kemoeatu are their other interior guys, and there's not a one among them that has proven he can be effective in this offensive scheme. Kalil, Blalock, or Grubbs could be a pick, but likely only if they trade down. Staley or Levi Brown going here would be a strong indication that Starks' days are numbered.
I think when all is said and done, their board will have Carriker, Timmons, and Posluszny very high, and whichever of those guys is there when they pick (assuming Anderson, Okoye, and Branch are all taken) will be the selection. I strongly suspect the defense is getting addressed in round 1 this year.
Now at OLB, you have Haggans and Harrison and really no depth. Harrison is unproven as a starter and Haggans is around 30. Here is where I could definitely see them going, either with Timmons, Posluszny (if they think he can play ILB in the 3-4 especially - I'm not sure he has the speed/size to be an effective pass rusher) or Moss. Moss can play 3-4 OLB with a few pounds shed or 4-3 DE with a few added, so his versatility makes sense if they're going to play more hybrid defenses going forward.
Of course, if they do move Keisel to OLB, then the hole opens at DE. Carriker, IMO, is the prototype Steelers 3-4 end. Branch, I think, would be better suited to play NT, but others seem to think he could be effective on the end in a 3-4. Okoye is quicker than Branch, but seems to me to be strictly a 4-3 guy. Jamal Anderson, should he fall, could play 3-4 or 4-3 end, so his versatility would also be a plus.
Don't completely rule out the possibility of a receiver. As Andy said, they are in a position to take BPA without any glaring holes, so taking advantage of the depth this draft has to offer at WR is a slim possibility. Getting a guy like Ted Ginn to pair with old teammate Santonio Holmes and Hines Ward with Heath Miller and Willie Parker certianly sets the offense up with a LOT of threats. A big target like Bowe, Jarrett, or Meachem also fills a need.
OL is also a distinct possibility. Most people seem to have them looking tackle, but I feel the bigger problems are inside. Simmons has tailed off some after his spate of injuries, Hartings is gone, and Faneca is a free agent after this year. Colon (who many feel can play G), Okobi, Mahan, and Kemoeatu are their other interior guys, and there's not a one among them that has proven he can be effective in this offensive scheme. Kalil, Blalock, or Grubbs could be a pick, but likely only if they trade down. Staley or Levi Brown going here would be a strong indication that Starks' days are numbered.
I think when all is said and done, their board will have Carriker, Timmons, and Posluszny very high, and whichever of those guys is there when they pick (assuming Anderson, Okoye, and Branch are all taken) will be the selection. I strongly suspect the defense is getting addressed in round 1 this year.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Patrick Willis. Off the charts character guy, great speed, big hitter, can probably play both inside and out, and would be a situational player right away and our top backup at both OLB and ILB from day 1.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I agree with you. His athleticism and hitting ability are eye-catching, but he's not very stout at the point of attack, and at 6' 235, you wonder if he really has the frame to add weight. I haven't seen one draftnik say it, but I think he might be a perfect fit at the Mike spot in a 4-3. He's fast as hell, and has great hip-flip (no, we're not talking about a CB here.) I think he could play the Urlacher role in a cover-2 defense... and I wonder if that's why Tomlin has been looking long.
jurb26
Footballguy
I'd drool if any of these 3 feel to the Steelers:L. Landry, SL. Brown, TP. Willis, LBI know many Steelers faithful have fallen in love with Posluszny (becuase he is local?), but I really think Willis is head and shoulders the best LB in this draft. Reminds me of Vilma coming out a few years ago.
Landry would is just a playmaker and has unreal range for a cover 2 D. With Troy (who still falls asleep in coverage resposibilites) making palys all ove the field and at the LOS, it would be great to have another S who can run and cover.Brown would be a fantastic addition to an aging OLine and could start from day one. How can you not like a guy like that.
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Evilgrin 72
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Agree with your takes on Willis and Landry 100%.Levi Brown, however, although I wouldn't be crushed if he went to Pittsburgh, I don't know if he'd start from day 1. Would he immediately be better than Starks or Smith? I'm not convinced.Also, their line is not that old - Starks just barely turned 25 and Smith is only 28. In fact, with Hartings gone, Faneca is easily the oldest starter at age 30 (Okobi is 28, Simmons just turned 27 a few weeks ago, and Mahan if he gets a starting job, is 26.)I'd drool if any of these 3 feel to the Steelers:L. Landry, SL. Brown, TP. Willis, LBI know many Steelers faithful have fallen in love with Posluszny (becuase he is local?), but I really think Willis is head and shoulders the best LB in this draft. Reminds me of Vilma coming out a few years ago.Landry would is just a playmaker and has unreal range for a cover 2 D. With Troy (who still falls asleep in coverage resposibilites) making palys all ove the field and at the LOS, it would be great to have another S who can run and cover.Brown would be a fantastic addition to an aging OLine and could start from day one. How can you not like a guy like that.
jurb26
Footballguy
Wow, I hadn't realized that Smith was that young. Honestly I thought he was about 31.
Either way, I think Starks is a big weakness on the line and Brown would upgrade that imediatly IMO. I'm sure opinions vary on Brown, I may just happen to be higher on him than most.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
I don't think Kalil is a bad pick, I just think we have more pressing needs. We have Okobi and that kid Marvin we drafted last year or the year before, not to mention potentially Simmons and Mahan. Between those 4 one of them has to be a decent center, no?
DrunkinDwarf
Footballguy
I completely agree with this. If Carriker is there, then I think they stay put and take him. Otherwise, I would love to see them trade down and still get a Posluszny, Revis, Bowe, Brown, etc... and pick up an extra pick along the way.
I forgot about Marvin Philip, good call... geez how many OL do the steelers have on the roster?
hacman
Footballguy
This Willis comp to Vilma is interesting to me... Bloom, how would you compare the two? SF is thought to be interested in Willis for their 3-4, but hasn't it been noted around here that Vilma talents were ill-suited or atleast not being maximized in Mangini's 3-4? I thought it was rumored not too long ago that teams thought Vilma might be available for the right price...
Both lack ideal bulk for taking on blockers, which is something you have to do more as an LB in a 3-4, but Farrior and Foote are not oversized, and they do just fine. If the Jets had Aaron Smith and Casey Hampton, I don't think you would have heard as much about him not doing well in the 3-4 (in reality the hybrid) they run in NY.hacman said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I haven't heard anything out of Pittsburgh that indicates Philip is anything but a backup. I don't think his presence, nor Okoye's or Mahan's precludes them from taking Kalil, although I agree with ACP that there are more pressing needs. The more I think about it, the more I have a hard time seeing them going anywhere but LB (or DE if they do move Keisel to OLB) unless a tremendous value presents itself. I also believe a trade down is a real possibility.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Timmons looks very stiff to me. I'm not convinced that he's going to be as good as I keep hearing he will be.
-OZ-
Footballguy
PP (this may be one case where we won't use his initials) was the first player I thought of when reading the title.
OL - check. Receiver? Why? Later in the draft as the #3 I can see. In the 1st? Unless you see Ward leaving (I don't) or don't like Holmes (I do, as the #2), I just don't see the need. If Anthony Gonzalez slipped to their 2nd, or they traded up for him, he'd be a great fit.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
As far as a WR goes, I've been saying I wouldn't be disappointed in that pick simply because the value on WRs in the first round of this draft is terrific. There are likely 6-7 bonafide 1st round WRs this year, which is an uncommon occurrence. I like to see needs filled in the draft too, but I also believe in maximizing value wherever you pick. A guy like Ted Ginn could potentially be a superstar and to grab him at #15 wouldn't disappoint me.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I never considered Ginn in Pittsburgh, that would be a great spot for him. What do you foresee for Willie Reid? He seems like a good PR/KR and WR3 to me. Ginn may be elite as a return artist and a top WR3 for them too, so I agree on the upgrade, just not sure on the value as the 1.15.
While there are 6-7 possible 1st round WRs, I'm not convinced that any aside of CJ are worthy of top 15 picks. I'll probably be proven wrong here.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers biggest need on defense is LB so I see them taking Timmons or Posluszny. I would be happy be with either but favor Posluszny for some reason.
Carriker sounds like a beast but the Steelers already have Smith and Keisel at DE. Some have suggested that Keisel might be moved to OLB but at 285 he would have to drop a lot of weight. I would rather take a true OLB.
It looks like the Steelers are content to let Okobi, Simmons and newly acquired Sean Mahan battle it out for center so I don't think they'll go for Kalil.
On the other hand Levi Brown would be awfully tempting for OT if he is still available.
Carriker sounds like a beast but the Steelers already have Smith and Keisel at DE. Some have suggested that Keisel might be moved to OLB but at 285 he would have to drop a lot of weight. I would rather take a true OLB.
It looks like the Steelers are content to let Okobi, Simmons and newly acquired Sean Mahan battle it out for center so I don't think they'll go for Kalil.
On the other hand Levi Brown would be awfully tempting for OT if he is still available.
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
I think the Steelers biggest need is finding a pass rusher, whether that be at OLB or DE. I think that makes Carriker, Jarvis Moss and perhaps Timmons the most likely picks. Agreed with those that would love to see Levi Brown slip, at that point I'd take best available. I think the problems at CB last year were in large part due to the lack of a pass rush. I am confident that Ike and McFadden will be solid going forward.
I don't think WR is a position of need but I'd love to see the Steelers land Anthony Gonzalez in the 2nd, I think he has Hines Ward type upside with more speed.
I don't think WR is a position of need but I'd love to see the Steelers land Anthony Gonzalez in the 2nd, I think he has Hines Ward type upside with more speed.
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Evilgrin 72
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Value depends on who you ask. This board crucified me for projecting Ginn at #7 to Minnesota, but Kiper currently has Ginn 10th on his big board. His private workout tomorrow is going to dictate his final stock.I can't really foresee anything for Reid yet, because he's played so little. I saw some of him in college and was impressed enough that I didn't mind the 3rd round pick on him despite Santonio being drafted in the 1st, but Ginn is a whole different animal. He'd instantly make the return game top 2-3 in the NFL, and while some scouts are down on his ability to be a #1 WR, in Pittsburgh, he could be a dynamite slot guy. Plus, he has his buddy Santonio there to help him acclimate and an ideal role model in Ward.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I prefer Posluszny to Timmons as well, but the fear is that neither player is big enough (and that Posluszny isn't fast enough) to be a true OLB in a 3-4. Timmons, I believe, could get there, but Posluszny, IMO, is either an ILB in a 3-4 or an OLB in a 4-3. Not that we couldn't use depth at ILB with Farrior getting older, but I think that's the mindset here and why Timmons' athleticism and hitting ability make him a more likely candidate to fill an imemdiate hole than Posluszny.Godsbrother said:
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
If Moses were drafted, he'd play OLB. You want to go LB/LB with the first two picks? If they're targeting Moses in round 2, I'd rather see them go with a lineman or WR in round 1, take Moses in round 2, then address backfield depth in rounds 3 or 4.
My mistake, I thought I saw him listed as a DE. If he is drafted as an OLB, I agree with your statements about the linemen in round 1. As much as I think a WR wouldn't be a bad pick, I can't see them taking a WR in the 1st two years in a row.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
He's listed as a DE because he played DE in college, with Pittsburgh he would definitely be an OLB, he's nowhere near big enough to play 3-4 DE.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If Faneca won't play for the Steelers (he either holds out or is traded) would they be interested in Blalock at 15?
Sure. I wouldnt rule out Grubbs either.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
You have to figure they'd be trying like hell to move down to the 20s if they were going to draft a guard.
Barry Jive and The Uptown Five
Footballguy
RD1 - Branch or Carriker
RD2 - The last of the Top tier WRs that inexplicably fell (or OL)
RD3 - Antwan Barnes, OLB Fla. International
RD2 - The last of the Top tier WRs that inexplicably fell (or OL)
RD3 - Antwan Barnes, OLB Fla. International
Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Right now I think Grubbs is more and more likely with Faneca's situation. If Grubbs is the next Faneca I'd love to have him at 15 or hopefully via trade down. I think the Steelers have got to address their pass rush and OL with their first two picks.Sigmund Bloom said:
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree the Steelers must address pass rush and OL first. I think Grubbs at 15 is way too early.
Fiddles
Footballguy
good readsome highlights for me:
bagwell4480: What are the chances of the Steelers not only grabbing Revis in the first round, but also getting either also getting Posluszny or Michael Bush as well in the second round?
Ed Bouchette: Poszluzny could slip a little, but I cannot believe he won't be selected in the top 46 picks, before the Steelers draft a second time. Bush has injury issues and I don't think the Steelers will touch him.
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PhillyMarty: Many mock drafts have Revis staying in Pgh. Do you see the Steelers taking a CB that high given their many greater needs?
Ed Bouchette: I don't see it because I think they have other needs but if they can't trade down and Revis is the overwhelming value there, they'll probably grab him. Tomlin's eyes lit up on Monday when talking about him
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Windber-Rambler: Is Anthony Spencer a "safer bet" at OLB than Lawrence Timmons?
Ed Bouchette: I'm not a big Timmons fan. Can you say Alonzo Jackson?
Franknbeans
Footballguy
the latest from ESPN, NFL Network (Jamie Dukes) and Sports Illustrated all have the Steelers selecting Lawrence Timmons at 1.15 FWIW.
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