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Good to see less garbage threads, imo.
and 37 members... at 1am.
and I thought most drafts were the weekend before Labor day weekend. Mine always are, too many out of town on Labor day weekend. I'm always just cruising at this point anxiously awaiting the start of the season.
and 37 members... at 1am.
and I thought most drafts were the weekend before Labor day weekend. Mine always are, too many out of town on Labor day weekend. I'm always just cruising at this point anxiously awaiting the start of the season.
ConnSKINS26
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I have wondered the same thing, mentioned it in the RB thread I put up the other day. Even when major news breaks there is still less it would seem then in year's past.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
heropretend
Footballguy
i think it might have to do with the sports lockouts affecting the way we all feel about sports. as a long time lurker and more fantasy football fan than football fan, i was preparing myself for a fall without fantasy football.
the whirlwind offseason/training camp couldn't have helped either. there was a lack of build up and curiosity into fantasy football. the moms and fake fans like me just weren't sucked in by labor agreement talks. should be interesting to see if mnf and super bowl ratings are down this year as well.
the whirlwind offseason/training camp couldn't have helped either. there was a lack of build up and curiosity into fantasy football. the moms and fake fans like me just weren't sucked in by labor agreement talks. should be interesting to see if mnf and super bowl ratings are down this year as well.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Preseason ratings were up, no?
SuperGreen
Footballguy
one thing i've noticed over the last couple of seasons, and maybe i'm not alone...fantasy football isn't, well, hard.
i used to break out multiple magazines, scour the web for info and cheatsheets, do a ton of prep beforehand. but for whatever reason, i don't even think i need to do that anymore. just give me a list of players at the draft, lemme check a news source once a day, and i will win. i have no idea how or when FF suddenly got "easy" but it just feels that way to me. i used to LIVE on this board in the off-season. i think i've checked it 4x this year (counting right now).
now fantasy baseball, THAT is hard. you have to keep up and immerse yourself in that one to be successful. but i digress.
i used to break out multiple magazines, scour the web for info and cheatsheets, do a ton of prep beforehand. but for whatever reason, i don't even think i need to do that anymore. just give me a list of players at the draft, lemme check a news source once a day, and i will win. i have no idea how or when FF suddenly got "easy" but it just feels that way to me. i used to LIVE on this board in the off-season. i think i've checked it 4x this year (counting right now).
now fantasy baseball, THAT is hard. you have to keep up and immerse yourself in that one to be successful. but i digress.
notdarkyet
Footballguy
I honestly think the lockout has affected interest this year. I think it put the staff behind in articles, analysis and projections and less customers bothered to show up on account of that.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I agree with this...there is such a wealth of information out there that one really doesn't need to prepare much anymore. Now while I'm a junkie and love the conversation, my preparation simply doesn't give me the advantage it used to.Is it the reason traffic is down...? I don't know about that, but FF information is a commodity now.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Twitter and other sources of information have grown as well. There is a good chance that cuts into traffic. I used to come on these boards and see news about players. Now, there is rarely a piece of news posted here that I haven't already seen on Twitter.
Andrew Garda
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In a row?Let's also consider the lockout might have had an adverse affect on forum traffic.
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Manster
Footballguy
i dont get this. I would argue that its actually getting harder, due to the fact there is so much info readily available, instantly, to anyone. This levels the playing field more, imo.my leagues have a mixture of guys that research and guys that wing it. I usually do pretty good. But, winning a league always takes a fair amount of luck. I've seen people "luck" into winning leagues because of injury, surprise breakouts, teams peaking in FF playoffs, etc......If its getting easier, you must be playing FF with guys who really wing it.
firstseason1988
Footballguy
It is much much easier for the lay man. You get all the info you need with the small subscription price here. Heck, buy the draft dominator, plug in your league scoring. Print out a cheatsheet 20 mins before draft and have some decent draft skills and you are competitive. So for the lay man, yes easier, for the players that figured out VBD and drafting skills on their own, it is harder. Kinda like ESPN made fools better poker players.
I did a yahoo draft and they have the rankings right there for everyone.
If you pay attention to the subscriber stuff, you find diamonds in the rough, which often makes a difference in the long run.
I did a yahoo draft and they have the rankings right there for everyone.
If you pay attention to the subscriber stuff, you find diamonds in the rough, which often makes a difference in the long run.
hauser42
Footballguy
I have only been on this site a couple year but lack of traffic this year is the wacky off sesaon that the NFL had. I mean there really wasnt much going on till the last month with the teams so a whole of season was crammed into a couple weeks. There wasnt OTAs and all the other stuff going on.
With ecomony I have seen more and more leagues go by the way side so there is fewer players out there.
To the point that Fantasy Football I agree with that. The average fan that doens't put a ton of time in can with the cheatsheets and tools out there to win leagues. Use to be you scoured around with many magazines and watched any football news you could to get the advantage. Now the internet has put all the information at your fingertips. Owner worried about his players can follow him with local papers and determine if that guy will play or not. 20 years ago when I started you really watched Sunday morning to get that last minute injury news and make a quick phone call to change a lineup so there was no zero.
The industry is still strong due to the people that have been playing for years and playing in multiple leagues. If any thing that is fading is the people out there buying magazines since the info is so out dated. I still see owners walking in with magazines and laugh at what they will gain from that book besides a cheatsheet to mark off players selected. Computers have replaced the magazine.
With ecomony I have seen more and more leagues go by the way side so there is fewer players out there.
To the point that Fantasy Football I agree with that. The average fan that doens't put a ton of time in can with the cheatsheets and tools out there to win leagues. Use to be you scoured around with many magazines and watched any football news you could to get the advantage. Now the internet has put all the information at your fingertips. Owner worried about his players can follow him with local papers and determine if that guy will play or not. 20 years ago when I started you really watched Sunday morning to get that last minute injury news and make a quick phone call to change a lineup so there was no zero.
The industry is still strong due to the people that have been playing for years and playing in multiple leagues. If any thing that is fading is the people out there buying magazines since the info is so out dated. I still see owners walking in with magazines and laugh at what they will gain from that book besides a cheatsheet to mark off players selected. Computers have replaced the magazine.
by_the_sea_wannabe
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:knowsstuff:Apparently the Shark Pool has jumped the shark.I hear the hawk nest is the place to be nowadays.
rizzler
Footballguy
TBH, Ive thought the same thing...
My $$$ league is always rampant with smacktalk (both on the site and via txt etc), waiver moves, FA pickups...
This year, nothing. Or very little of it anyways.
Same group of guys basically for yeeeears, but still.. nothing.
I dont think FF is fading at all, but perhaps the "prestige" or "novelty" of it is starting to tarnish a bit.
My $$$ league is always rampant with smacktalk (both on the site and via txt etc), waiver moves, FA pickups...
This year, nothing. Or very little of it anyways.
Same group of guys basically for yeeeears, but still.. nothing.
I dont think FF is fading at all, but perhaps the "prestige" or "novelty" of it is starting to tarnish a bit.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
The numbers were never really that high. The old board had a counting flaw where if you weren't signed in and reloaded the page it would register as an additional guest browsing the forum. When they upgraded the board a few months back that stopped happening. Don't worry, still tons of nerds out there.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
1) Your accumulated knowledge is working for you now. You already have a good understanding of the teams and situations so all you need to do is check this year's changes to adjust your draft boards accordingly. It's far different than trying to grasp the width and breadth of the NFL when you were first getting into it. Example: an experienced fantasy owner doesn't need to spend much time divining which Carolina WR is going to start across from Steve Smith because an experienced fantasy owner is going to know that position is probably going to be worthless no matter who it is.2) A lot of the news we see is actually pretty insignificant noise. And it's so redundant. Unless you are trying to work trades based on some hot tip and fear the opportunity will evaporate, you can kinda sit back and wait for the one news story on what "did happen" instead of chewing your fingernails at the one hundred blurbs that speculated on "what might happen".3) The average fantasy player is probably getting older. That means we aren't all college kids anymore with lots of discretionary time on our hands. Efficiency and shortcuts are more important to us these days.4) The smart guys like the FBG's have figured out how to do the distillation work for us and have us pay them so we can save time and still win. Of course, that only works if the info is good, but the thing I love about FBG's is the information clearinghouse function it serves.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
It's getting harder to find a unique advantage (an edge) which translates to more wins for you.But that's because it's gotten easier to locate good info thanks to the internet and the burgeoning fantasy marketplace.All the hard work you used to put in ferreting out the next big thing is now available to your league mates with no sweat from their brow for nothing more than a $25 yearly subscription to a fantasy football internet site.So it's gotten harder for you because the competitiveness is at an all time high. But it's even easier for them because the playing field is now level, which means luck plays an even greater role, and it cost them next to nothing to reach that equality.When the owners are otherwise equal, then luck pretty much makes up 100% of the difference between them. Whether you describe winning/losing by luck as an easy or hard thing probably depends on whether or not you are a glass half empty/glass half full type.So it's easier to win with less, but it's harder to find an edge.'Manster said:
GregR
Footballguy
One solution is to stop playing in the kind of standard setup leagues, cookie cutter leagues that all of the advice is aimed at.Not only can you come up with some different formats that are more fun and will require more strategic thinking, but they will test whether owners can really determine value for themselves.
Arizona Ron
Footballguy
DoubleG
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
This is the direction in which I'm drifting. I've played traditional ff for 20 years, I'm starting to think about alternative structures now.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I wonder if this is true and, if so, if it's age-related?
delusional
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Not bad for Sunday morning on labor day weekend
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Not bad for Sunday morning on labor day weekend
Angus82
Footballguy
What seems odd is the ridiculous number of views each thread has. There must be hit and run mentality around here.
Badgers Fan
Footballguy
Same. The commish normally holds the draft to give enough time for people to make moves, and normally there are a flurry of trades. There have only been 2 so far this offseason, and one was my Mike Thomas for Jerome Harrison. I don't think Fantasy Football as a whole is down tho, it seems everybody nowadays has a team, even women are becoming more and more evolved. The Lockout has certainly effected things tho, because people had less time to get leagues together.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Has it peaked? Yes, I think so. That doesn't mean it not's wildly popular still but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't get any bigger than it has been the past 5 years or so. It's still huge but there's an ebb and flow in everything and that includes fantasy football. Your hardcore players will be playing for the rest of their lives while some who may have just tried it because they heard it was fun or a friend dragged them into the league may not stay around for more than a couple years to do something else.
I wouldn't worry about it in terms of thinking it's going away, it'll never go away now.
I wouldn't worry about it in terms of thinking it's going away, it'll never go away now.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Peaked for me, and I think thats a good thing. It was consuming me, I used to do six leagues, and a couple of years back, I had built three number one playoff seeds and two number two playoff seeds out of them. I lost 5 of 6 one weekend with a slew of injuries. It was whatever year Peyton Hillis brokeout with Denver then blew his knee out in the first quarter if I remember correctly. Devastated my season and there was NOTHING that could have been done about it. Depressed for a week after all that effort.
Now I just try as much as possible to have fun with it. I'm still a competitor but I"m down to 4 money leagues and thats fine with me. I could even drop one or two of them once I win the championship I've been chasing in each. Its still fun but the game I was used to changed and not for fun per se. Two back NFL sets hurt fantasy, and its just harder to find a guy like Chad Johnson or Clinton Portis who you can vulture late and cheap and ride and ride. Man, that was when fantasy felt great to me.
Now I just try as much as possible to have fun with it. I'm still a competitor but I"m down to 4 money leagues and thats fine with me. I could even drop one or two of them once I win the championship I've been chasing in each. Its still fun but the game I was used to changed and not for fun per se. Two back NFL sets hurt fantasy, and its just harder to find a guy like Chad Johnson or Clinton Portis who you can vulture late and cheap and ride and ride. Man, that was when fantasy felt great to me.
Lots of good posts in here. Twitter and facebook are definitely big factors. As is the above where people are quickly viewing and then moving on to something else.It's interesting though in that site traffic is up overall. In something a little unexpected, the lockout seems to have boosted interest. Although I'm not sure if boosted is the right word as much as it compacted interest. Where normally, interest is spread out over a long summer, this year, it was dead and then all of a sudden everything happened at once.
Not really sure.
Bottom line though I think a smaller board might be a good thing. It may help us be able to focus more on real news and maybe have less "noise". We'll see.
To you guys contributing, thanks.
J
Angus82
Footballguy
At the risk of kissin' backside J, thanks for a great site. This is an incredible site with very knowledgeable participants.Lots of good posts in here. Twitter and facebook are definitely big factors. As is the above where people are quickly viewing and then moving on to something else.It's interesting though in that site traffic is up overall. In something a little unexpected, the lockout seems to have boosted interest. Although I'm not sure if boosted is the right word as much as it compacted interest. Where normally, interest is spread out over a long summer, this year, it was dead and then all of a sudden everything happened at once.
Not really sure.
Bottom line though I think a smaller board might be a good thing. It may help us be able to focus more on real news and maybe have less "noise". We'll see.
To you guys contributing, thanks.
J
supersecretid
Footballguy
This is VERY false I'm pretty sure. Message boards' share of "social" web is way, way down though, yes. But the pie is so much bigger that message boards are definitely still growing.
TidesofWar
Footballguy
I think the lockout really made a dent in general interest in FF.
And the sliding US Bond Rating has not helped
And the sliding US Bond Rating has not helped
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