49'ers and JT O'sullivan looking good! (1 Viewer)

[benm3218]

I watched the whole 49'ers game and was very impressed with JT O'Sullivan. He was calm, collected, very heady, has a cannon arm I knew nothing about, and won the game for the 49'ers. He gets the game ball. It truly was O'Sullivan that carried that game. At one point when he was making great throws he just ran for a 25 yard gain. Brilliant.

But, while so far I haven't seen him take a horrible hit, he is taking a pounding. 12 sacks so far this season.

The Martz offense is built on the QB's ability to take a hit but also make a great long gain play. O'Sullivan is doing very good at it. But, I just worry about him lasting and his health. I hope they can tweak it just a little so he can avoid some of those hits. One thing I noticed that could have saved him at least 2 sacks is throwing the ball away. That can be coached into him by Martz who is an excellent QB coach.

All in all the game was Great. Gore played well and O'Sullivan was very good. I had both those guys on my team, so when the 49'res had the ball I was happy.

Go J. T. O.!!!

Side point - I am in a Dynasty league. I can't believe I am saying this but he must be quickly climbing a few peoples Dynasty QB rankings. He is showing he can thrive in the Martz offense and has no one who can or will take his job from him.

 

[crnerblitz]

Welcome to the Mike Martz Offense. No protection, everyone go deep.

 

[Moe Green]

The Niners are better than people think. And in that Division (NFC West), I'd say they have as good a chance to make the playoffs as the Cardinals do. Stick a fork in the Seahawks and Rams -- they're finished.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Sullivan has been HAMMERED by the sacks. That pocket collapses on every play. I'll be surprised if Sullivan makes it through the season intact. And it's not just the O-line which is to blame -- Sullivan needs to learn to get out of there. He's done a decent job so far but he still stays in the pocket a split second too long.

 

[Manster]

very gritty performance by JT in a hostile environment. but he did take a lot of hits. cant imagine he'll be able to make it all yr with that kinda protection. the Cards could run away with the NFC West!

 

[drew726]

It's really a two way race between Cards and Niners in the NFC west. With all that individual talent on defense, they have to start blitzing more.

 

[49erBamBam52]

It's really a two way race between Cards and Niners in the NFC west. With all that individual talent on defense, they have to start blitzing more.

exactly... with hasselbeck half way hurt and a 6th 7th and 8th string receiver to throw to, the niners should have played man on each of the receivers, and blitzed everybody else... everybody on the field (besides the man covers) on EVERY PLAY!!!!

glad the niners won, though it shouldnt have been that close!

BAM

 

[CentralPA]

JT showed some serious guts yesterday, with that said, anymore games where he takes a pounding like that the Niners will be bringing in there third string QB to get pounded on as well. My solution, feed the ball to Gore!!!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Doesn't everyone say this about every Mike Martz QB every year after a few games? Dude is going to get pounded and put up numbers. As long as he isn't made out of old Legos, he'll be fine.

 

[Sam Quentin]

In the Martz Offense the QB needs to make a quick decison and to get rid of the football. Warner was great at this when he first started in the system...

 

[TommyGilmore]

In the Martz Offense the QB needs to make a quick decison and to get rid of the football. Warner was great at this when he first started in the system...

Key difference is that the Rams had a better O-line, which gave Warner the extra time that he needed. When the Rams' line started to deteriorate, Warner wasn't nearly as effective. And Warner encountered a similar problem in New York, where the Giants' O-line didn't give him the protection he needed (Eli, on the other hand, was mobile enough to deal with it).

 

[One]

JTO Highlights

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

JTO Highlights

He throws a funny-lookin' ball, but I'm starting to get a little excited about him. My QB situation is doubleplusungood.

 

[bucsbaby]

Martz just has to bend slightly and run the ball a bit more to Gore with more play action. Gore has been effective thusfar and would only warm up further with more work imo. Keep the defense off balance a bit more and protect your QB.

 

[benm3218]

Well bucsbaby I think that would help too... Martz is very smart. His system is working, and he wants O'Sullivan to succeed so lets hope he does that.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ironically, in the preseason one of the things Martz loved about him was "he's just so darn mobile"



The guy is a heck of a story. I just can't think of anybody who bounced around this long...what is it, 8-9 teams since the Saints drafted him 2002? Of course Warner comes to mind...he was 28 when he finally got his big break, JTO is 29.

The DA of 2008?

 

[Avery]

JTO Highlights

He throws a funny-lookin' ball, but I'm starting to get a little excited about him. My QB situation is doubleplusungood.

Not a pretty looking throwing motion and a bit of a flutter on his throws, but if it gets there...I wonder if someone who watched the game can comment on this, but in the highlights linked here, it looks like he is usually throwing it to his first read. It's hard to tell because of the video quality , but I'd be interested if he has the ability or time to take multiple reads if his primary isn't open or if it's his 1st read and then get sacked or scramble.

 

[benm3218]

JTO Highlights

He throws a funny-lookin' ball, but I'm starting to get a little excited about him. My QB situation is doubleplusungood.

Not a pretty looking throwing motion and a bit of a flutter on his throws, but if it gets there...I wonder if someone who watched the game can comment on this, but in the highlights linked here, it looks like he is usually throwing it to his first read. It's hard to tell because of the video quality , but I'd be interested if he has the ability or time to take multiple reads if his primary isn't open or if it's his 1st read and then get sacked or scramble.

Thanks to Directv I have seen both games so far this year. Last week Pat Kirwin was the announcer. he knows a lot about football. He commented several times that he was going through all his reads. In fact last week he had even more pocket presence than this week. (he got sacked more this week too...) Last week, he would check down all the way to a short little sideways dump to Gore right as pocket was collapsing. One time he didn't even look to Gore, just knew he was there and flicked it over when the pocket crumbled. Man, I honestly think this guy looks good. Did Martz make him like this or what? How could he float around to 8 teams and be a decent guy? Weird.

 

[Avery]

JTO Highlights

He throws a funny-lookin' ball, but I'm starting to get a little excited about him. My QB situation is doubleplusungood.

Not a pretty looking throwing motion and a bit of a flutter on his throws, but if it gets there...I wonder if someone who watched the game can comment on this, but in the highlights linked here, it looks like he is usually throwing it to his first read. It's hard to tell because of the video quality , but I'd be interested if he has the ability or time to take multiple reads if his primary isn't open or if it's his 1st read and then get sacked or scramble.

Thanks to Directv I have seen both games so far this year. Last week Pat Kirwin was the announcer. he knows a lot about football. He commented several times that he was going through all his reads. In fact last week he had even more pocket presence than this week. (he got sacked more this week too...) Last week, he would check down all the way to a short little sideways dump to Gore right as pocket was collapsing. One time he didn't even look to Gore, just knew he was there and flicked it over when the pocket crumbled. Man, I honestly think this guy looks good. Did Martz make him like this or what? How could he float around to 8 teams and be a decent guy? Weird.

Thanks! Great info here.

This is what the shark pool is/should be about. Great first hand info I can't get from sportscenter, Inside the NFL or a few highlights.

I didn't have the roster room to pick him up last week, but with some QB issues I have, I hoping to sneak him off the wire this week.

 

[Bermuda_Chub]

JTO Highlights

He throws a funny-lookin' ball, but I'm starting to get a little excited about him. My QB situation is doubleplusungood.

Not a pretty looking throwing motion and a bit of a flutter on his throws, but if it gets there...I wonder if someone who watched the game can comment on this, but in the highlights linked here, it looks like he is usually throwing it to his first read. It's hard to tell because of the video quality , but I'd be interested if he has the ability or time to take multiple reads if his primary isn't open or if it's his 1st read and then get sacked or scramble.

Lost Brady last week, so I took a flier on JTO and could not be more thrilled. It's important to note that this was the Seahawks Defense at Qwest that he just torched. A team the 49ers scored 3 points against combined in both meetings last year. Here's how he did it:About 25% of his production came off the 3 step drop timing slants and outs that we all remember from Martz's days with the Rams. I swear, Johnson's TD looked like a carbon copy of about 20 Holt/Bruce 1st and goal TD catches. The remainder of his production came from using mobility in the pocket to scan 15-30 yards downfield to find the open receiver. This is why Bruce, Johnson and even Battle were each substantially involved in the offense. In the future, I expect to see Martz run more of the same screen and circle routes to Gore that helped make Faulk a fantasy legend. JTO has the mobility, moxie and touch to set up a great screen, and with the rest of the wideouts flying downfield, there is much yardage to be had.

Now is a great time to buy into the 49ers offense, because it will only get better. Think about Week 1 another way: Whisenhunt had enough respect for the 49ers offense to take the air out of the ball in the 2nd half. When is the last time you've seen Warner run the dink and dunk? In retrospect, as Seahawks fans will now attest, pretty good strategy.

Who would've thunk that Game 1 AZ-SF might have decided who wins the division?

 

[Banger]

bump..any additional thoughts on this guy? What was thought to be a joke in preseason is starting to look like another Martz rag to riches story. Anyone getting on his bandwagon?

 

[cubbie5150]

JTO is still available on the WW (blind bidding) in my main league. I'm gonna put a healthy bid on him even though I already own Cutler & Schaub. I figure I can try to trade Schaub/JTO in a couple weeks, assuming I win the bid for JTO that is...

 

[chofolo]

bump..any additional thoughts on this guy? What was thought to be a joke in preseason is starting to look like another Martz rag to riches story. Anyone getting on his bandwagon?

I am officially on it. I am in a redraft and had Schaub and Hurrthisback. I picked up JTO last night off of waivers. It is hard for me to really think this guy could be the real deal, but then again, I got lucky with D. Anderson last year too. Either way, he can't do much worse the aforementioned thus far. 12 sacks aside, he has shown some real potential, and luckily he has Gore right now to draw some of the D off of him. CHOO-CHOO...

 

[B Will]

Does anyone think i should trade O'Sullivan and Reggie Williams for Roy Williams and a 2nd Rounder next year(low pick)??

 

[Banger]

Does anyone think i should trade O'Sullivan and Reggie Williams for Roy Williams and a 2nd Rounder next year(low pick)??

putting all your eggs in the Garrard basket is probably a mistake..it would leave you awful thin at QB.

 

[B Will]

Im in a 20 team Dynasty. Garrard and Quinn just waiting to come out in Cleveland and be a top QB w/ their offense.

Im from Ohio. Big cleveland fan. Anderson is getting whailed on. Its quinn time in CLE. Roy Williams would help My WR's a lot. Unless you think i should ship out Garrard?????

 

[Banger]

bump..any additional thoughts on this guy? What was thought to be a joke in preseason is starting to look like another Martz rag to riches story. Anyone getting on his bandwagon?

I am officially on it. I am in a redraft and had Schaub and Hurrthisback. I picked up JTO last night off of waivers. It is hard for me to really think this guy could be the real deal, but then again, I got lucky with D. Anderson last year too. Either way, he can't do much worse the aforementioned thus far. 12 sacks aside, he has shown some real potential, and luckily he has Gore right now to draw some of the D off of him. CHOO-CHOO...

I felt the same way. I had a bias against him even though I never saw him play. I assumed he would be a scrub since he's never done anything and thought that the 9'ers would be horrible. I should know better though and watched his highlights and he looks awful good. The hits are a concern but he's probably available in a number of leagues on the WW. Their division is wide open, he's cheap, he has Mad Mike as a pass happy coordinator and has looked pretty good so far. Every year there are Garrard/D. Anderson types that come from nowhere and become top 10 qb's and looking at this situation it certainly could be a move with little downside and a lot upside....

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

In.

Anybody trotting him out there against Det? Aaron Rodgers lit them up for like 1,000 yards last week and then maybe Martz might have the "stick it to the old team" motivation against Detroit.

Babyarm

 

[Banger]

In.Anybody trotting him out there against Det? Aaron Rodgers lit them up for like 1,000 yards last week and then maybe Martz might have the "stick it to the old team" motivation against Detroit.Babyarm

Ya, Det is a tremendous matchup this week.

 

[B Will]

Im in a 20 team Dynasty. Garrard and Quinn just waiting to come out in Cleveland and be a top QB w/ their offense.

Im from Ohio. Big cleveland fan. Anderson is getting whailed on. Its quinn time in CLE. Roy Williams would help My WR's a lot. Unless you think i should ship out Garrard?????

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Im in a 20 team Dynasty. Garrard and Quinn just waiting to come out in Cleveland and be a top QB w/ their offense.Im from Ohio. Big cleveland fan. Anderson is getting whailed on. Its quinn time in CLE. Roy Williams would help My WR's a lot. Unless you think i should ship out Garrard?????

wat

 

[LILB811]

Welcome to the Mike Martz Offense. No protection, everyone go deep.

1st reply nailed it. O'Sullivan looks pretty good from the highlights, but the guy is gonna take a beating. If he can deal with it like Kitna did, he's definitely a usable option. I've yet to see any Niners games yet but I'm curious as to if they've lined Vernon Davis out wide much. I've heard good things about his blocking, but he seems like a guy they should be getting the ball to more.

 

[red]

Welcome to the Mike Martz Offense. No protection, everyone go deep.

1st reply nailed it. O'Sullivan looks pretty good from the highlights, but the guy is gonna take a beating. If he can deal with it like Kitna did, he's definitely a usable option. I've yet to see any Niners games yet but I'm curious as to if they've lined Vernon Davis out wide much. I've heard good things about his blocking, but he seems like a guy they should be getting the ball to more.

they've been keeping vernon in a lot to block.JTO is from the UC Davis QB powerhouse....remember Ken O'Brien?

 

[Liquid Tension]

In the Martz Offense the QB needs to make a quick decison and to get rid of the football. Warner was great at this when he first started in the system...

Key difference is that the Rams had a better O-line, which gave Warner the extra time that he needed. When the Rams' line started to deteriorate, Warner wasn't nearly as effective. And Warner encountered a similar problem in New York, where the Giants' O-line didn't give him the protection he needed (Eli, on the other hand, was mobile enough to deal with it).

Eli and mobile are not usually in the same sentence. I would also argue that part of the inconsistency of Eli was because of the poor pass protection. The pass protection is better now.

 

[Klimtology]

JTO Highlights

He looks sharp.

Thanks for posting that.

ETA: Good thing I picked up JT off waivers this morning. Hasselcrap and Shaub owner here.

Unfortunately, I dumped Bruce as my WR4 for M Jones after he did nothing in week 1.

 

[blackjack23]

At the very least you should grab him to sell high in 2 weeks after he plays vs DET & NO. Who knows I might even start him the next 2 weeks over Ben Roeth although I doubt Ill have the balls to.

 

[TommyGilmore]

In the Martz Offense the QB needs to make a quick decison and to get rid of the football. Warner was great at this when he first started in the system...

Key difference is that the Rams had a better O-line, which gave Warner the extra time that he needed. When the Rams' line started to deteriorate, Warner wasn't nearly as effective. And Warner encountered a similar problem in New York, where the Giants' O-line didn't give him the protection he needed (Eli, on the other hand, was mobile enough to deal with it).

Eli and mobile are not usually in the same sentence. I would also argue that part of the inconsistency of Eli was because of the poor pass protection. The pass protection is better now.

Whether it's mobility or it's a matter of throwing the ball away, the fact remains that Warner was sacked twice as often in New York as Eli was.

 

[Liquid Tension]

In the Martz Offense the QB needs to make a quick decison and to get rid of the football. Warner was great at this when he first started in the system...

Key difference is that the Rams had a better O-line, which gave Warner the extra time that he needed. When the Rams' line started to deteriorate, Warner wasn't nearly as effective. And Warner encountered a similar problem in New York, where the Giants' O-line didn't give him the protection he needed (Eli, on the other hand, was mobile enough to deal with it).

Eli and mobile are not usually in the same sentence. I would also argue that part of the inconsistency of Eli was because of the poor pass protection. The pass protection is better now.

Whether it's mobility or it's a matter of throwing the ball away, the fact remains that Warner was sacked twice as often in New York as Eli was.

I will trust you on your stats about taking sacks (as I can't find it), but the fact also remains that Warner was more effective as he had 86.5 rating compared to Eli's 55.4 in his rookie year. Eli threw 9 picks with 6 TD's while Warner had 4 picks with 6 TD's.

 

[jwojdylo]

yeah, being a qb for Martz is not a good thing; have any of them lasted an entire season?

 

[TommyGilmore]

yeah, being a qb for Martz is not a good thing; have any of them lasted an entire season?

Not counting Trent Green's pre-season injury in 1999, the QB has made it through at least 14 games in 6 of 9 seasons coached by Martz. The only injury-prone seasons were 2000 (11 for Warner, 5 for Green), 2002 (Warner, Bulger, Jamie Martin) and 2005 (Bulger, Martin, Ryan Fitzpatrick).

 

[drew726]

JTO moves a hell of a lot better than Warner and Bulger. He just needs to learn to escape from the pocket about half a second faster.

 

[benm3218]

JT is going to be a BIG success this year. He is poised and confident and I don't know how he was a nobody for so many years.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

JT is going to be a BIG success this year. He is poised and confident and I don't know how he was a nobody for so many years.

Bumpdiggity. His numbers yesterday came in what amounts to a half of work as this thing was over at halftime. At NO this week? Giddy up.I'm loving the 30 rushing yards a game too.

 

[W1cked]

yeah, being a qb for Martz is not a good thing; have any of them lasted an entire season?

Kitna... but I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.

 

[Manasseh]

I started JT over Warner and Big Ben this week and didn't regret it. Going to give him the nod again against New Orleans.

Unfortunately, I also started Kitna over Warner this past week. Thankfully, Kitna rolled up a garbage TD and some extra yards in the 4th, but I'm excited about JT and Warner this week.

 

[benm3218]

I think JT scrambles enough to last better than any other QB Martz has had. Against NO he should be solid gold.

 

[packersfan]

I was hoping the Lions would put up a fight. That would've helped JTO put up some serious numbers but he didn't have to throw the ball much in the second half so instead of a great fantasy game he had a good one.

That shouldn't be a problem against the Saints. He should be needed for all four quarters and I love his potential against their sorry defense.

 

[Butters]

O'Sullivan may have scored me a big win against an arch-rival this week.

My 1:00 game performances DID NOT go well. Andre Johnson, Lee Evans, and Chris Johnson all failed to find the end zone, and I had the Pats defense and their negative 7 points. It was ugly.

My opponent has Big Ben and I have McNabb. I figured my only chance to was to swap out McNabb for JT, hope for a big JT day and that the Eagles / Steelers game would stay low.

It just might have worked. If Chambers doesn't go wild tonight, I'll squeak out the win.

Long live JT, I raise a pint to ye.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I like having O'Sullivan on my bench, but keep in mind that his stats have come against the #9, #26 and #29 fantasy defenses. And the #9 team was Arizona.

 

[packersfan]

I like having O'Sullivan on my bench, but keep in mind that his stats have come against the #9, #26 and #29 fantasy defenses. And the #9 team was Arizona.

All true. But on the flip side, he does seem to have a good grasp of the offense and he's likely going to have to throw it a ton most weeks because the Niners' defense isn't very good. So as long as he can stay healthy I think the potential is there for him to be at least a Top 15 QB this season.