ImTheScientist
Footballguy
What format would you prefer and why? 6 pts per passing TD or 4 pts?
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4pts/passing TD or 6pts/passing TD (1 Viewer)
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KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
What is your rationale for scoring a passing TD 6pts?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Given the choice between those options, I chose 4 because it's less than 6. I'd rather all TDs be worth 2 points, and give points for first downs which are more important.
gigantor
Footballguy
this is exactly what we do in our leaguedparker713
Footballguy
Screw with scoring all you like, but the only way to truely increase the value of QBs is to require the everyone to start two.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
how does the NFL score it ?
theres your answer
theres your answer
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Zero. That's why kickers always lead the league in scoring.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
1. Because that's what a QB gets for running it in the end zone.2. Because that's what a RB gets for running or catching it.
3. Because that's what a WR gets for running or catching it.
4. Because that's what a TE gets for catching it (and, in theory, running it in, but I don't remember the last time that's happened).
5. Because there is such a "value" disparity already in place with the 1:2 QB:RB split, that standardizing it to the 6pt TD only moves the meter in the right direction.
6. Because QBs in the elite tier do not get the representative spread in scoring compared to their subpar peers with the 4pt PaTD that they would get with the 6pt PaTD.
I could go on.
So, what exactly is the reason for your support of the 4pt PaTD?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Since this is about passing TDs and not rushing TDs... how much does a QB get for PASSING it in the end zone? I love how you try to skirt that issue.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
And do you really think that 6pt TDs really normalize QB scoring and make them significantly more valuable compared to RBs and WRs?
The problem with QBs in FF is a) they aren't as scarce based on starting requirements and b) they are the easiest of the 3 major positions to find value on late.
Change those two and you can make QBs more valuable.
The problem with QBs in FF is a) they aren't as scarce based on starting requirements and b) they are the easiest of the 3 major positions to find value on late.
Change those two and you can make QBs more valuable.
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
As I said in the other thread, who cares? As long as you like the scoring in your league, who cares what everyone else does in their league?
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Also, the name of the game we play is called fantasy football. Therefore "this is how they do it in the NFL" arguments have no bearing on it anyway.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'm not talking about NFL "scoring," which is irrelevant to this discussion. I'm not in that camp that says, "because the NFL scores it 6pts..." I'm merely pointing out how most 4pt leagues still score rushing/receiving TDs at 6pts.I'll ask again, do you have any rationale for the 4pt TD?
a_troll00
Footballguy
In the NFL, A TD is a TD is a TD, no matter where it comes from - 6 pts.
Also, you don't need two starting QBs in a lineup to increase QB value. One of the leagues I'm in rates passing in this way:
1 point per completion
1 point per 50 passing yards
+8 pt bonus for 250 yds passing
6 pts per TD
-2 pts per fumble
-5 pts per int
With this scoring a top QB is great, and a poor QB throwing 3-4 interceptions a game will kill you. It makes grabbing a top quarterback very worthwhile. Also, the scoring is for passing, so LT2 will also get points per completion throwing TD passes on trick plays.
Also, RBs in this league get a +8 pt bonus for rushing 100 yds. Getting those stud RBs is still critical as well.
Also, you don't need two starting QBs in a lineup to increase QB value. One of the leagues I'm in rates passing in this way:
1 point per completion
1 point per 50 passing yards
+8 pt bonus for 250 yds passing
6 pts per TD
-2 pts per fumble
-5 pts per int
With this scoring a top QB is great, and a poor QB throwing 3-4 interceptions a game will kill you. It makes grabbing a top quarterback very worthwhile. Also, the scoring is for passing, so LT2 will also get points per completion throwing TD passes on trick plays.
Also, RBs in this league get a +8 pt bonus for rushing 100 yds. Getting those stud RBs is still critical as well.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Yes, my rationale is that this is FANTASY football and I can make up whatever rules I want. If I have 9 or more friends who agree, we have a league.
Also I gave my answer that 4 < 6 therefore 4 is a better choice for scoring. I'd make all TDs 4 before I made them all 6 and I prefer them all to be 2.
Also I gave my answer that 4 < 6 therefore 4 is a better choice for scoring. I'd make all TDs 4 before I made them all 6 and I prefer them all to be 2.
doughboydeluxe
Footballguy
I prefer to have all TDs worth the same, but I think most people have 4 pt TDs because they want the scoring between QB/RB/WR to be more equal. Same reason people give 1 PPR.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
It makes the point total for RB's/WR's/TE's look a little bit closer to the QB's final point totals.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
1. True, RB's and WR's also get 4 pts for a passing TD....your point?5. The Value disparity is ONLY fixed if you start 2 QB's
6. The spread will still be very similar, you are talking about 20 points extra to an elite QB's final total..........not that much IMO
6. WR
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Meant to post this in this thread not the other thread.
How many of you clamoring for 6 pt passing tds are also trying to get 10 yards per point passing as well?
How many of you clamoring for 6 pt passing tds are also trying to get 10 yards per point passing as well?
AustinCowboy71
Footballguy
4. Because that's what a TE gets for catching it (and, in theory, running it in, but I don't remember the last time that's happened).
I remember when Jay Novacek ran in a fake field goal for a TD.
I remember when Jay Novacek ran in a fake field goal for a TD.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
They have to be for both because if not the logic to their argument breaks down
a_troll00
Footballguy
I honestly don't get the argument of squashing down QB scoring to the point there is no difference between a top QB and a mediocre one.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
15 points for TE TDs?
gethugefast1
Footballguy
My league gives 3 pts. pre passing TD, 1 pt. for every 25 passing yards. 1 QB, 2 RB's, 2 WR's, 1 Flex.
43 of first 46 draft picks were RB's!!! Super RB Heavy!
43 of first 46 draft picks were RB's!!! Super RB Heavy!
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Super.
Brewzers
Footballguy
There is the great equalizer. Why even bother with 6 pt TD passes? A Qb throws 22 TDs and 14 ints in your league and he gets 62 pts. In my league of 4 & -1 he gets 74. So in your 6 pt TD league, most QBs are worth less than in my 4 pt league all other things equal.
Brewzers
Footballguy
Are there any negative INT points in your 6 point proposal/campaign? An earlier poster plays in a league that has 6 passing TD pts and negative 5 INT pts, does that make sense to you? What is the optimal balance of TD pts to negative points for you?
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
In order to give QBs 6 pt TDs and to balance them out w/ the other players... you need to add in some other stats.
for EX: Give 1 PPR, .2 ru attempt, Bonuses that are attainable; and give extra negative pts like -2 instead of -1 for INTs, things like that.
Now if you use a standard / NonPPR format... 4 pt TDs for QBs does make sense and I will play by it.
heres 2 of my scoring systems that I put a lot of timne into
My systems are very high scoring.. focusing on balancing Between TDs and Performance
Heres a scoring system I'm working on right now; I took full advantage of everything MFL has to offer. Please comment on it.
(Note; this is the scoring system that will be used in the league that is in my sig)
http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=69276&O=09
Player Balance
TOP 15: 3 QBs, 7 RBs, 1 WR, 4 LBs,
TOP 30: 5 QBs, 10 RBs, 7 WRs, 8 LBs
TOP 60: 10 QBs, 16 RBs, 14 WRs, 1 DE, 15 LBs, 1 CB, 3 Ss
Heres the scoring system that I installed on my 14 Team Dynasty league that drafted in May
http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=55418&O=09
Player Balance
TOP 15: 3 QBs, 7 RBs, 1 WR, 4 LBs,
TOP 30: 6 QBs, 9 RBs, 8 WRs, 7 LBs
TOP 60: 10 QBs, 16 RBs, 15 WRs, 15 LBs, 4 DBs
for EX: Give 1 PPR, .2 ru attempt, Bonuses that are attainable; and give extra negative pts like -2 instead of -1 for INTs, things like that.
Now if you use a standard / NonPPR format... 4 pt TDs for QBs does make sense and I will play by it.
heres 2 of my scoring systems that I put a lot of timne into
My systems are very high scoring.. focusing on balancing Between TDs and Performance
Heres a scoring system I'm working on right now; I took full advantage of everything MFL has to offer. Please comment on it.
(Note; this is the scoring system that will be used in the league that is in my sig)
http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=69276&O=09
Player Balance
TOP 15: 3 QBs, 7 RBs, 1 WR, 4 LBs,
TOP 30: 5 QBs, 10 RBs, 7 WRs, 8 LBs
TOP 60: 10 QBs, 16 RBs, 14 WRs, 1 DE, 15 LBs, 1 CB, 3 Ss
Heres the scoring system that I installed on my 14 Team Dynasty league that drafted in May
http://football8.myfantasyleague.com/2007/...=55418&O=09
Player Balance
TOP 15: 3 QBs, 7 RBs, 1 WR, 4 LBs,
TOP 30: 6 QBs, 9 RBs, 8 WRs, 7 LBs
TOP 60: 10 QBs, 16 RBs, 15 WRs, 15 LBs, 4 DBs
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Surprised to see 39 people voted for 4 points. 
Skipdog77
Footballguy
We have 4 pts per TD pass in our Dynasty league. The reasoning behind our decision is that QB's are already the top scorers by position, as evidenced by them occupying 11 out of 14 top scoring positions in our league last season. RB's are a more treasured commodity are because of position scarcity (start 24 vs 12 each week), not because they score more points than QB's.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
No its doesn'### would only break down if a good rushing game is over 300 yards.It called relativity. TDs are worth 6 (twice as much as a FG for example) regardless of HOW they are scored. A good yardage game for a QB is over 300 yards, a good yardage game for a RB or WR is over 100 yards. If anything for QBs it should be 1 pt per 30 yds. Simple fractions. Your a scientist, you should know this.
gigantor
Footballguy
like LT last year
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I rather 6 pts... but play in both..
as long as the players are balanced; I'm in
as long as the players are balanced; I'm in
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Yes, I understand simple fractions. I much prefer performance leagues that give .1 points per rushing yard/recieving and .05 points per passing yard. HOWEVER, according to the 6pt/passing TD arguement you would also need to start awarding .1 points per passing yard. I doubt many would go for that.I would argue that 300 yards is a lot more difficult for a QB to achieve than 100 yards is for a RB.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
People for some reason do not grasp this. The only way to increase the value of the QB is to require 2QB's to start for every team.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
Why, I don't understand this rational and I'm not sure where it came from?
I think you like this idea, I keep reading it. Wouldn't another alternative be to have 2 RBs= 1QB? This would acheive the same thing.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
And since a good TD game for a QB is 3 and a good TD game for a RB is 2, QB TDs are scored 4 points and RB TDs are scored 6 points. Both add up to 12. Way to undo yourself with your own argument.
thesurfshop19
Footballguy
My personal opinion is that when we look at the total points at the end of the season, it doesn't really change the rankings.
The reason I prefer 6 points is pretty simple. In a head-to-head league, it's all about outscoring your opponent. And if I have Manning and the other guy has Harrison, a TD pass between the two shouldn't give him more points than me.
Yes, he'll get more points from yardage, but that tends to be less volatile in its distribution. That is, if Harrison scores 2 TDs and Wayne scores 0, chances are that Harrison and Wayne's yardage totals aren't quite 120 yards (12 FP, the equivalent of 2 TDs) apart.
So to me it's a matter of degree. Sorry there's no clear-cut rule or black/white way to put it. 6 pts / all TDs is more reasonable to me than devaluing only passing TDs.
I also strongly disagree that Mike Vick's rushing TD should count for more points for my opponent than Tom Brady's passing TD counts for me.
The reason I prefer 6 points is pretty simple. In a head-to-head league, it's all about outscoring your opponent. And if I have Manning and the other guy has Harrison, a TD pass between the two shouldn't give him more points than me.
Yes, he'll get more points from yardage, but that tends to be less volatile in its distribution. That is, if Harrison scores 2 TDs and Wayne scores 0, chances are that Harrison and Wayne's yardage totals aren't quite 120 yards (12 FP, the equivalent of 2 TDs) apart.
So to me it's a matter of degree. Sorry there's no clear-cut rule or black/white way to put it. 6 pts / all TDs is more reasonable to me than devaluing only passing TDs.
I also strongly disagree that Mike Vick's rushing TD should count for more points for my opponent than Tom Brady's passing TD counts for me.
PrestonV20
Footballguy
Even though I have never had these players on any of my teams during these years, i still agree with 6 pts. The last year for LT and a few years ago for Manning/Culpepper were some of the greatest individual seasons in NFL history.
Zoomanji
Footballguy
WRONG, you are applying two different arguments to suit yourself. One regards yardage (where QBs typically have 3x as many). The other argument is TDs which are a 1 to 1 relation.
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