5 reasons to trade Chris Brown NOW (1 Viewer)

[ScoobyDoo]

Sure, maybe some other idiot defender will ramrod his shoulder by using his helmet as a weapon and cause permanent nerve damage.We're sure to experience a fine Sunday of thread "bumps" to celebrate.

 

[Eagle Eye]

I just hope they dont tell you to jump off a bridge.

He'll be here all week, folks

:rotflmao: This guy could be the N00b of the year!

 

[NoCheese]

If they told you to trade Holmes for Brian westbrook would you do that too?

Sure, if they told me to I would hope you would give this site more credit than that.

 

[LHUCKS]

I just wanted to take a quick timeout and thank Chris Brown for inspiring the best threads on this board this year. Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

 

[el-gato-grande]

FWIW, I have been offered some very interesting trades for C.Brown thus far. The most notable of which included the likes of Alexander and Taylor. Now before you get all worked up, the Alex deal also included me giving up Holt ( :( ). I think there are plenty of people out there who would be willing to give up a RB in line with McAllister, Portis, Alexander, ect. Brown has a very favorable sched heading into the 2nd half of the season and if Tenn gets things rolling he could become HUGE. There are very few players in my squad that are pretty much untouchable right now and Brown is one of them (Portis and Lefty are the others).

Isn't he already HUGE? I think that is why you keep the guy. He has posted great numbers against a couple of darn good defenses (Miami, Jacksonville) and chewed up lesser opponents (Indy, Green Bay) with a couple of average games along the way (San Diego, Houston). Now, you're saying he has an easier schedule going forward, which is what you want going down the stretch when it matters most. What's not to like?

 

[Kleck.]

I just wanted to take a quick timeout and thank Chris Brown for inspiring the best threads on this board this year. Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

Chris Brown threads will never be as good as jwvdcw polls.

 

[Mrskoal333]

If they told you to trade Holmes for Brian westbrook would you do that too?

Sure, if they told me to I would hope you would give this site more credit than that.

Your the 1 who makes trades by the rankings not me. I actually know about football and can make up my own mind about trades and pickups. If you want to go by the rankings go ahead but they arent always right. Doesnt seem like much fun tho picking guys and making trades that you are told to do. There doesnt seem like much pride in it to me so I watch and decide for myself. Guess your like the woman that picks the teams colors best and wins the pool that week. :X

 

[Colin Dowling]

This is a fantastic case of people remembering the past instead of thinking about the present/future. After a game or two, I can understand the hesitation. But we are more than a third of the way through the season, and here is where we are on a per game basis (even subtracting Deuce's "hurt" game but leaving the games where Brown only played 1 half in).Brown - 5.1 YPCDeuce - 4.3 YPCPortis - 3.9 YPCBrown - 101 ypgameDeuce - 79 ypgamePortis - 98.8 ypgameBrown - .66 TD per gameDeuce - .66 TD per gamePortis - .33 TD per gameBrown - 1.83 recept. per gameDeuce - 1.66 recept. per game Portis - 2.66 recept. per gameBrown - 20 carries per gameDeuce - 18.3 carries per gamePortis - 21 carries per gameSummation: I fail to see how anyone can conclude that for the 2004 season, either Portis or Deuce are or will be better RBs then Brown for fantasy purposes.COlin

 

[Glatty]

1) He's got nerve damage - I know most posters think this is no big deal, and maybe it's not, but after a hit like he took this past Sunday, don't you think he'll be a little apprehensive going forward regarding contact now?

Stingers (9 times out of 10) are not a serious injury. Many of the posters on this board that think it's no big deal think so because they've had it before. It's another way of saying "pinched nerve". The phrase "nerve damage" implies a very serious injury, which this is not. I got a stinger playing high school football. Kept me out of practice for 1 day. Of course the force of the hits in h.s. is not the same as pros, but you get the idea. C.Brown has already reported back to practice.

2) Upright running style - He makes an awfully nice, big target and is hardly elusive in his running style.

I think enough arguments have been made about this type of running style. see Eric Dickerson.

3) Struggles in short yardage - 2 things here 1) All of his TD's have come from 20+ yards, and long TD's are difficult to predict. Also, this is just a hunch, but I think Antowain Smith may become more involved in short yardage situations to keep the mileage off of Chris and also because he's a decent short yardage back in his own right (just not an every down back). I understand there is no precedent for Fisher using a short yardage back, but that's because Eddie George was an iron man from 1996-2003, so there was no need for that.

Failed to mention he was hit in the backfield on 75% of these plays. That's a sign of offensive line blocking problems, not his running ability.

4) The team is struggling. Here are their point totals from their 1st 6 games: 17, 17, 12, 17, 48, and 10. With the exception of the Green Bay game, they've been held to 1-2 TD's in each game.

Ten has 13 total TDs, of which Brown has 4. Getting 30% of your team's TDs is not a bad thing.

ALSO, 3 of their 4 losses have been by 10+ points, so they may be playing from behind a lot.

The Bengals were a horrible team and Dillon was still a top RB. Also, Brown is involved in the passing game, which keeps him involved somewhat even if they completely abandon the run (something i doubt they will ever do).

5) History of injuries - He's missed parts of 2 games now this year (2 halves or the equivalent of 1 game). He was injured much of last year in his rookie season with a hamstring injury, and was hardly durable in his collegiate career, which was the knock on him coming into the league and hence, the reason he was not selected until very late in the 3rd round of the draft. He's done nothing so far to silence his critics in this area.

I can't really argue this point, except to say every RB that gets close to 80% of his teams carries (78.4% - including time missed due to injury), well, yes, i'd expect to take on some type of injury risk.Edited to add: Disclosure: I traded him away 2 weeks ago in one league, and do not own him in any others.

 

[jurb26]

This is a fantastic case of people remembering the past instead of thinking about the present/future. After a game or two, I can understand the hesitation. But we are more than a third of the way through the season, and here is where we are on a per game basis (even subtracting Deuce's "hurt" game but leaving the games where Brown only played 1 half in).Brown - 5.1 YPCDeuce - 4.3 YPCPortis - 3.9 YPCBrown - 101 ypgameDeuce - 79 ypgamePortis - 98.8 ypgameBrown - .66 TD per gameDeuce - .66 TD per gamePortis - .33 TD per gameBrown - 1.83 recept. per gameDeuce - 1.66 recept. per game Portis - 2.66 recept. per gameBrown - 20 carries per gameDeuce - 18.3 carries per gamePortis - 21 carries per gameSummation: I fail to see how anyone can conclude that for the 2004 season, either Portis or Deuce are or will be better RBs then Brown for fantasy purposes.COlin

For Portis and as an owner of him myslef I can tell you its because I believe that Gibbs has a good shot of righting the ship down the stretch. So it has nothing to do with past results, which is what you stated in your post anyways, they were just past results from this year as opposed to last year. Can't speak for any Duece owners though.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Trade Chris Brown NOW.....HE RUNS TOO UPRIGHT!!!

 

[EastBayFunk]

3) Struggles in short yardage - 2 things here 1) All of his TD's have come from 20+ yards, and long TD's are difficult to predict. Also, this is just a hunch, but I think Antowain Smith may become more involved in short yardage situations to keep the mileage off of Chris and also because he's a decent short yardage back in his own right (just not an every down back). I understand there is no precedent for Fisher using a short yardage back, but that's because Eddie George was an iron man from 1996-2003, so there was no need for that.

I think it's too early to say that Chris Brown is not a good short yardage back. I believe both of his rushing TD's in the 2003 playoffs came in short yardage situations. He didn't appear to have any difficulty punching it in.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

He's averaging 5.1 yards per carry, but he runs too upright!!!......TRADE HIM NOW!!!

 

[Colin Dowling]

I just wanted to take a quick timeout and thank Chris Brown for inspiring the best threads on this board this year. Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?Colin

 

[Eric Stratton]

I just wanted to take a quick timeout and thank Chris Brown for inspiring the best threads on this board this year. Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?Colin

LHUCKS------------------>

 

[LHUCKS]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th, because that is where I ranked him.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

 

[LHUCKS]

I just wanted to take a quick timeout and thank Chris Brown for inspiring the best threads on this board this year. Please commence with all of the thoughts I expressed three months ago.

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?Colin

LHUCKS------------------>

Carl Zeutsius = Armchair FF'erWhen you're ready to play with the big boys, don't be afraid next time.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out.

 

[jurb26]

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you do rankings and projections you are making them in the hope that you are right or as correct as possible on all of them. Not just the guys you drafted. You pass up other players for the guys you draft! Therefor, you should always want them to be as correct as possible or else you make MISTAKES and miss out on VALUE.

 

[LHUCKS]

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you do rankings and projections you are making them in the hope that you are right or as correct as possible on all of them. Not just the guys you drafted. You pass up other players for the guys you draft! Therefor, you should always want them to be as correct as possible or else you make MISTAKES and miss out on VALUE.

Didn't I just say that?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you do rankings and projections you are making them in the hope that you are right or as correct as possible on all of them. Not just the guys you drafted. You pass up other players for the guys you draft! Therefor, you should always want them to be as correct as possible or else you make MISTAKES and miss out on VALUE.

Chris Brown has no value. He runs too high and he's injury prone.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Carl Zeutsius = Armchair FF'erWhen you're ready to play with the big boys, don't be afraid next time.

I've done quite well in those type of leagues and you can check with Cracker and others here on that.I don't feel the need to brag about my FF knowledge or successes...it is one of the golden rules of FF and something you you don't understand.Now get back to commanding your respect.

 

[LHUCKS]

Carl Zeutsius = Armchair FF'erWhen you're ready to play with the big boys, don't be afraid next time.

I've done quite well in those type of leagues and you can check with Cracker and others here on that.I don't feel the need to brag about my FF knowledge or successes...it is one of the golden rules of FF and something you you don't understand.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Carl Zeutsius = Armchair FF'erWhen you're ready to play with the big boys, don't be afraid next time.

I've done quite well in those type of leagues and you can check with Cracker and others here on that.I don't feel the need to brag about my FF knowledge or successes...it is one of the golden rules of FF and something you you don't understand.

You finally have caught on to what many of us do at your posts.

 

[EastBayFunk]

I see where LHUCKS is coming from with regards to rankings. Having accurate rankings is nice, but what's more important is being accurate when it comes to the guys you selected. I know that I personally don't depend heavily on long cheat sheets when I'm actually drafting. I merely look at a short list of players I like and decide where I need to take them. If I don't have a strong feeling about a player then I don't draft him, so I don't worry a whole lot about where he is on my rankings.Of course, when you start a thread saying a guy is overhyped and he ends up being one of the most productive players in fantasy football, well.....

 

[jurb26]

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you do rankings and projections you are making them in the hope that you are right or as correct as possible on all of them. Not just the guys you drafted. You pass up other players for the guys you draft! Therefor, you should always want them to be as correct as possible or else you make MISTAKES and miss out on VALUE.

Didn't I just say that?

No, you stated this:

I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads

But if you are wrong about these players that are not on you team in your evaluation and projections, you miss out on value and make draft mistakes is my point.

 

[Eagle Eye]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

 

[LHUCKS]

This doesn't make any sense at all. If you do rankings and projections you are making them in the hope that you are right or as correct as possible on all of them. Not just the guys you drafted. You pass up other players for the guys you draft! Therefor, you should always want them to be as correct as possible or else you make MISTAKES and miss out on VALUE.

Didn't I just say that?

No, you stated this:

I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads

But if you are wrong about these players that are not on you team in your evaluation and projections, you miss out on value and make draft mistakes is my point.

Let me be a little more clear.I evaluate my success year to year on two items:a) my success in expert leaguesb) the accuracy of my rankings

 

[LHUCKS]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

at the first comment.Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

 

[LHUCKS]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

I'm done arguing about the specifics of my preseason Brown rankings. He's obviously and that doesn't merit a response.

 

[NoCheese]

You know, with all the bashing and sideshows, we've lost the true intent of the original post. I see all sorts of people saying "Yeah trade him now, he runs too upright" with the gut after. That's not my point. That's ONE of the factors that concern me about Chris Brown. I think he IS Top 10 right now, but there are other backs who I'd rather roll with that are close to his value with less question marks. No, I'm not saying trade him for Drew Bennett and Warrick Dunn, so please stop insulting my intelligence by suggesting that's my intent.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

I'm done arguing about the specifics of my preseason Brown rankings. He's obviously and that doesn't merit a response.

If by "he's obviously " you mean "he's obviously backed me in to a corner from which there is no escape" then I agree.COlin

 

[Eagle Eye]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

I'm done arguing about the specifics of my preseason Brown rankings. He's obviously and that doesn't merit a response.

Yea, I'm fishing because I call you out on your little back-patting session. You should have been done talking about Brown long ago but you just can't keep away. You made a bad call, we all do, just sack up and move along. Here's my pre-season top 25 Rbs as if it matters at all. I got Edge at #8 and Brown on the way back in the 2nd. Priest HolmesLaDainian TomlinsonClinton PortisEdgerrin JamesAhman GreenShaun AlexanderDeuce McAllisterJamal LewisFred TaylorKevan BarlowChris BrownThomas JonesBrian WestbrookCorey DillonDomanick DavisRudi JohnsonTravis HenryDuce StaleyMarshall FaulkTiki BarberCurtis MartinStephen DavisQuentin GriffinWarrick DunnKevin JonesLee Suggs

 

[Colin Dowling]

You know, with all the bashing and sideshows, we've lost the true intent of the original post. I see all sorts of people saying "Yeah trade him now, he runs too upright" with the gut after. That's not my point. That's ONE of the factors that concern me about Chris Brown. I think he IS Top 10 right now, but there are other backs who I'd rather roll with that are close to his value with less question marks. No, I'm not saying trade him for Drew Bennett and Warrick Dunn, so please stop insulting my intelligence by suggesting that's my intent.

Who are the 10 RBs you'd trade for him straight up feeling you got the better end of the deal?COlin

 

[ScoobyDoo]

If Chris Brown suffers another injury I suspect this thread will be on the "bump" list.

 

[Mrskoal333]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

I'm done arguing about the specifics of my preseason Brown rankings. He's obviously and that doesn't merit a response.

Yea, I'm fishing because I call you out on your little back-patting session. You should have been done talking about Brown long ago but you just can't keep away. You made a bad call, we all do, just sack up and move along. Here's my pre-season top 25 Rbs as if it matters at all. I got Edge at #8 and Brown on the way back in the 2nd. Priest HolmesLaDainian TomlinsonClinton PortisEdgerrin JamesAhman GreenShaun AlexanderDeuce McAllisterJamal LewisFred TaylorKevan BarlowChris BrownThomas JonesBrian WestbrookCorey DillonDomanick DavisRudi JohnsonTravis HenryDuce StaleyMarshall FaulkTiki BarberCurtis MartinStephen DavisQuentin GriffinWarrick DunnKevin JonesLee Suggs

WOW Curtis Martin at 21st?

 

[LHUCKS]

Why would anyone intentionally want to be incorrect/wrong about the most vital position in FF?

I don't get it...because I had him ranked 18th? I don't desire to be wrong or right about any specific player unless they are on my ff squads, Chris Brown included...I evaluate my preseason rankings from more of a collective approach. If my goal was to put out the best player rankings possible I would desire for Chris Brown to finish 18th.Brown is on zero of my teams so I'm somewhat indifferent on how this turns out. Others have insinuated that my messageboard "cred" relies on Brown's performance this year... a) I don't care about MB cred and b) If I was evaluating "cred" I would judge a person on 1) his preseason rankings collectively and/or 2) by his performance in expert leagues.

People who don't care about message board cred don't go around COMMANDING RESPECT.First you had him mopping up for Eddie George who was a 50-1 shot not to be back with the Titans. George out, ooooh, watch out for Antowain Smith, they didn't bring him in to ride pine, ya know. You've been wrong about him every step of the way. Three months ago you said he wasn't worth a 6th round pick. Consider me unimpressed that you grudgingly came along with a #18 ranking.

Can you point me to your preseason rankings please...thanks in advance.

Good retort.COlin

I'm done arguing about the specifics of my preseason Brown rankings. He's obviously and that doesn't merit a response.

Yea, I'm fishing because I call you out on your little back-patting session. You should have been done talking about Brown long ago but you just can't keep away. You made a bad call, we all do, just sack up and move along. Here's my pre-season top 25 Rbs as if it matters at all. I got Edge at #8 and Brown on the way back in the 2nd. Priest HolmesLaDainian TomlinsonClinton PortisEdgerrin JamesAhman GreenShaun AlexanderDeuce McAllisterJamal LewisFred TaylorKevan BarlowChris BrownThomas JonesBrian WestbrookCorey DillonDomanick DavisRudi JohnsonTravis HenryDuce StaleyMarshall FaulkTiki BarberCurtis MartinStephen DavisQuentin GriffinWarrick DunnKevin JonesLee Suggs

Link please.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Is Chris Brown the most controversial character in fantasy land? I feel like he's spawned the most conversation. Any other nominees? Tatum Bell? Najeh Davenport's excrement?

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Dealing with brown depends on your situation. For, I drafted Brown and two huge bust RB's (taylor and henry), so I am stuck with him. Some of you may have drafted Priest, thomas jones and brown, so you can trade him to upgrade your WR or QB situation. I, personally, need to hold onto brown because many of my leaguemates feel the way many of you do, that brown is an unproven injury risk. This is true, to a degree. But the notion that someone will trade you a guy like edge straight up for brown... why would anyone do that? Who trades RB for RB? You deal from strength to shore up weakness. If you have a ton of RB's and Brian Greise as your QB, you trade chris brown for a QB. If you have Andre Davis as your #1 WR, you trade Chris Brown for a WR. How does trading RB for RB make sense?

 

[Da Masses]

You know, with all the bashing and sideshows, we've lost the true intent of the original post. I see all sorts of people saying "Yeah trade him now, he runs too upright" with the gut after. That's not my point. That's ONE of the factors that concern me about Chris Brown. I think he IS Top 10 right now, but there are other backs who I'd rather roll with that are close to his value with less question marks. No, I'm not saying trade him for Drew Bennett and Warrick Dunn, so please stop insulting my intelligence by suggesting that's my intent.

Who are the 10 RBs you'd trade for him straight up feeling you got the better end of the deal?COlin

Portis, CuMart(?), LT2, Holmes, Alexander are the only ones that I could think of that would be good value for Brown.The other 5 you would be rolling the dice.Still with the injuries to the WR's and McNair looking off this year, you gotta wonder when D's start focusing on stopping Brown

 

[LHUCKS]

Is Chris Brown the most controversial character in fantasy land? I feel like he's spawned the most conversation. Any other nominees? Tatum Bell? Najeh Davenport's excrement?

Onterrio Smith in '03 was pretty good.

 

[Da Masses]

Onterrio Smith in '03 was pretty good.

What do you mean WAS??? :rotflmao:

 

[NoCheese]

You know, with all the bashing and sideshows, we've lost the true intent of the original post. I see all sorts of people saying "Yeah trade him now, he runs too upright" with the gut after. That's not my point. That's ONE of the factors that concern me about Chris Brown. I think he IS Top 10 right now, but there are other backs who I'd rather roll with that are close to his value with less question marks. No, I'm not saying trade him for Drew Bennett and Warrick Dunn, so please stop insulting my intelligence by suggesting that's my intent.

Who are the 10 RBs you'd trade for him straight up feeling you got the better end of the deal?COlin

Well, since he IS in the Top 10, Id say there were NINE other backs I'd rather have, which are:1) Priest2) LT23) Shaun4) Edge5) Cmart6) Portis7) Dillon8) Deuce9) Droughns 10) BrownBear in mind, this is based upon a 1/25 league, with no pts for recepts

 

[BigJim®]

Of course we should trade him for Portis Duece and Edge. They were all #1 draft picks this year. Brown I got as a #3 pick. I doubt anyone will give you those 3 guys but hell I would jump all over them if I could get them. When did Brown go ahead of those 3 as far as guys you want? He hasnt for me thats for sure so of course Id rather have them than Brown. I woulda got those guys from the beginning if I could have.      All the guys you mention in your post were drafted before Brown for good reason. They are more predictable to score more fantasy points the rest of the year. Just as they were at the beginning of the year. Alot of the reasons you stated in your post is why he wasnt ranked as high as those guys to begin the season so I dont think you told us anything we didnt already know. We drafted Brown cuz we couldnt get the best and highest ranked runners so we took a chance on Brown and still are.  :X

Mr Skoal-It is irrelevant at this point where someone was drafted. In the Top 200 forward, Brown is ranked ahead of Portis, Dillon, Deuce, etc. That is really the basis for this discussion. Would you be better off trading Brown now if you can get his fair value (which is very high, BTW)?

Well whoever you got your rankings from dont know what thier doing. No one in my league would even consider trading those guys to me for Brown. We all know Brown is a risk and apparently the ranking so called experts should reevaluate those runners because there is no way Brown should be ranked ahead of them. Also when trading it does matter where you drafted the guy because the people your trading with will say well I drafted Portis 1st round and you got Brown 3rd round so they would not be as willing to make that trade. :X

They're coming out of the woodworks...surprise, surprise.

LOL... leave it to LHUCKS to insinuate that others representing his opinions are "coming out of the woodwork." Say LHUCKS, perhaps you missed the part where the guy recommended that those who were smart enough to draft Brown *at all*, and presumptively with a ridiculously lower pick than his apparent actual worth as of 6 short weeks later, could leverage that good decision by trading for RBs such as Deuce, Portis and Edge. Don't insult folks' intelligence by pitching a tent in NoCheese's camp and claiming personal kudos over the love-support you are basking in, or anything resembling it. NoCheese's guidance doesn't implicate your opinions or your FF squad in the slightest since you were even passing on Chris Brown in the 5th round. I mean seriously, how do you even have the gall to contribute to this thread. This should be you at this point~~>

 

[LHUCKS]

Onterrio Smith in '03 was pretty good.

What do you mean WAS??? :rotflmao:

was...as in, the conversation regarding O. Smith in '03 was entertaining.

 

[LHUCKS]

Of course we should trade him for Portis Duece and Edge. They were all #1 draft picks this year. Brown I got as a #3 pick. I doubt anyone will give you those 3 guys but hell I would jump all over them if I could get them. When did Brown go ahead of those 3 as far as guys you want? He hasnt for me thats for sure so of course Id rather have them than Brown. I woulda got those guys from the beginning if I could have. All the guys you mention in your post were drafted before Brown for good reason. They are more predictable to score more fantasy points the rest of the year. Just as they were at the beginning of the year. Alot of the reasons you stated in your post is why he wasnt ranked as high as those guys to begin the season so I dont think you told us anything we didnt already know. We drafted Brown cuz we couldnt get the best and highest ranked runners so we took a chance on Brown and still are. :X

Mr Skoal-It is irrelevant at this point where someone was drafted. In the Top 200 forward, Brown is ranked ahead of Portis, Dillon, Deuce, etc. That is really the basis for this discussion. Would you be better off trading Brown now if you can get his fair value (which is very high, BTW)?

Well whoever you got your rankings from dont know what thier doing. No one in my league would even consider trading those guys to me for Brown. We all know Brown is a risk and apparently the ranking so called experts should reevaluate those runners because there is no way Brown should be ranked ahead of them. Also when trading it does matter where you drafted the guy because the people your trading with will say well I drafted Portis 1st round and you got Brown 3rd round so they would not be as willing to make that trade. :X

They're coming out of the woodworks...surprise, surprise.

LOL... leave it to LHUCKS to insinuate that others representing his opinions are "coming out of the woodwork." Say LHUCKS, perhaps you missed the part where the guy recommended that those who were smart enough to draft Brown *at all*, and presumptively with a ridiculously lower pick than his apparent actual worth as of 6 short weeks later, could leverage that good decision by trading for RBs such as Deuce, Portis and Edge. Don't insult folks' intelligence by pitching a tent in NoCheese's camp and claiming personal kudos over the love-support you are basking in, or anything resembling it. NoCheese's guidance doesn't implicate your opinions or your FF squad in the slightest since you were even passing on Chris Brown in the 5th round. I mean seriously, how do you even have the gall to contribute to this thread. This should be you at this point~~>

:11: Link to your rankings please...thanks in advance.

 

[Mrskoal333]

Of course we should trade him for Portis Duece and Edge. They were all #1 draft picks this year. Brown I got as a #3 pick. I doubt anyone will give you those 3 guys but hell I would jump all over them if I could get them. When did Brown go ahead of those 3 as far as guys you want? He hasnt for me thats for sure so of course Id rather have them than Brown. I woulda got those guys from the beginning if I could have.      All the guys you mention in your post were drafted before Brown for good reason. They are more predictable to score more fantasy points the rest of the year. Just as they were at the beginning of the year. Alot of the reasons you stated in your post is why he wasnt ranked as high as those guys to begin the season so I dont think you told us anything we didnt already know. We drafted Brown cuz we couldnt get the best and highest ranked runners so we took a chance on Brown and still are.  :X

Mr Skoal-It is irrelevant at this point where someone was drafted. In the Top 200 forward, Brown is ranked ahead of Portis, Dillon, Deuce, etc. That is really the basis for this discussion. Would you be better off trading Brown now if you can get his fair value (which is very high, BTW)?

Well whoever you got your rankings from dont know what thier doing. No one in my league would even consider trading those guys to me for Brown. We all know Brown is a risk and apparently the ranking so called experts should reevaluate those runners because there is no way Brown should be ranked ahead of them. Also when trading it does matter where you drafted the guy because the people your trading with will say well I drafted Portis 1st round and you got Brown 3rd round so they would not be as willing to make that trade. :X

They're coming out of the woodworks...surprise, surprise.

LOL... leave it to LHUCKS to insinuate that others representing his opinions are "coming out of the woodwork." Say LHUCKS, perhaps you missed the part where the guy recommended that those who were smart enough to draft Brown *at all*, and presumptively with a ridiculously lower pick than his apparent actual worth as of 6 short weeks later, could leverage that good decision by trading for RBs such as Deuce, Portis and Edge. Don't insult folks' intelligence by pitching a tent in NoCheese's camp and claiming personal kudos over the love-support you are basking in, or anything resembling it. NoCheese's guidance doesn't implicate your opinions or your FF squad in the slightest since you were even passing on Chris Brown in the 5th round. I mean seriously, how do you even have the gall to contribute to this thread. This should be you at this point~~>

Big Jim I think you lost some of us. Who are you praising and who are you criticising?

 

[LHUCKS]

Of course we should trade him for Portis Duece and Edge. They were all #1 draft picks this year. Brown I got as a #3 pick. I doubt anyone will give you those 3 guys but hell I would jump all over them if I could get them. When did Brown go ahead of those 3 as far as guys you want? He hasnt for me thats for sure so of course Id rather have them than Brown. I woulda got those guys from the beginning if I could have. All the guys you mention in your post were drafted before Brown for good reason. They are more predictable to score more fantasy points the rest of the year. Just as they were at the beginning of the year. Alot of the reasons you stated in your post is why he wasnt ranked as high as those guys to begin the season so I dont think you told us anything we didnt already know. We drafted Brown cuz we couldnt get the best and highest ranked runners so we took a chance on Brown and still are. :X

Mr Skoal-It is irrelevant at this point where someone was drafted. In the Top 200 forward, Brown is ranked ahead of Portis, Dillon, Deuce, etc. That is really the basis for this discussion. Would you be better off trading Brown now if you can get his fair value (which is very high, BTW)?

Well whoever you got your rankings from dont know what thier doing. No one in my league would even consider trading those guys to me for Brown. We all know Brown is a risk and apparently the ranking so called experts should reevaluate those runners because there is no way Brown should be ranked ahead of them. Also when trading it does matter where you drafted the guy because the people your trading with will say well I drafted Portis 1st round and you got Brown 3rd round so they would not be as willing to make that trade. :X

They're coming out of the woodworks...surprise, surprise.

LOL... leave it to LHUCKS to insinuate that others representing his opinions are "coming out of the woodwork." Say LHUCKS, perhaps you missed the part where the guy recommended that those who were smart enough to draft Brown *at all*, and presumptively with a ridiculously lower pick than his apparent actual worth as of 6 short weeks later, could leverage that good decision by trading for RBs such as Deuce, Portis and Edge. Don't insult folks' intelligence by pitching a tent in NoCheese's camp and claiming personal kudos over the love-support you are basking in, or anything resembling it. NoCheese's guidance doesn't implicate your opinions or your FF squad in the slightest since you were even passing on Chris Brown in the 5th round. I mean seriously, how do you even have the gall to contribute to this thread. This should be you at this point~~>

Big Jim I think you lost some of us. Who are you praising and who are you criticising?

Complete and well thought out sentences please. That is all I ask.