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65 Million Americans Should Threaten to Not Pay Taxes (1 Viewer)

Max Power

Max Power

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Until democracy is restored


The approximately 65 million Democrats who voted for Hillary Clinton should pledge that in the future if a Republican wins the presidency with fewer votes than a Democrat for the third time in our era, we won’t pay taxes to the federal government. No taxation without representation!

Twice in the past 16 years, a Republican candidate who finished second in the popular vote has won the presidency. This year, Donald Trump won the electoral vote with about 46% of the popular vote, while Hillary Clinton received about 48%. If the parties stay this evenly divided, another electoral mishap is more likely than not in the next 20 years.
Most Republicans are quite content with this system. Appeals to fairness have not persuaded them of the need to amend the Constitution to establish direct presidential elections, preferably with a runoff if no one wins 50% of the vote. Nor does the real chance that a Democrat could win the presidency with fewer votes than a Republican alarm them. Even the taunt, “Are you afraid of a direct election? Can’t you win a straight-up vote?” doesn’t faze them. Democrats must, therefore, pester Republicans where it hurts: the pocketbook.

Is signing a pledge to not pay taxes legal? Yes, if no overt act of conspiracy is involved, and the pledge itself is hypothetical. No one knows when or if it would be carried out.

A national movement not to pay federal taxes in the future would put Republicans on notice: they do not have the right to impose a hard-right, second-place presidency on a moderate nation every dozen or so years. If the Republicans won’t help amend the Constitution so that America can resume being a democracy, then Democrats, lacking the representation that supporters of a future popular vote-winner ought to have in the executive branch, should not submit to paying taxes to the federal government.

How would the pledge work? First, an online group such as MoveOn.org, Change.org or both, should circulate a petition. The pledge is not just a powerful protest; it is also effortless, requiring no legal or financial sacrifice at all for years, possibly decades.

Second, the pledge should only apply to federal taxes. We would still pay state, local, sales and property taxes. This is a protest against our 229-year-old system of electoral votes, not against taxation in general.

Third, if a Republican wins the election without winning the popular vote again, we should still pay what we owe in federal taxes—just not to the IRS. Instead, people would compute their federal taxes, file a Form 1040 and write a check to a national escrow account, preferably in a well-established Canadian or British bank that is beyond the reach of the U.S. Justice Department, because whoever opens this account probably will be in violation of U.S. law. In the check’s memo line, people should write, “Funds to be transferred to the IRS as soon as America resumes being a democracy.”

If the U.S. government wanted control over the trillions of dollars in this escrow account, it would have to replace our antiquated electoral system with a fairer way of electing presidents. Then, when 38 state legislatures have ratified an acceptable Constitutional amendment, the escrow officer could cheerfully transfer the account’s trillions of dollars to the IRS.

The beauty of a no-taxation pledge is that it almost certainly won’t have to be carried out. The mere threat could be enough to propel a Constitutional amendment. If millions sign now, Republicans will know that a third modern Republican runner-up presidency is impossible; Democrats will not be cooperative again.

The cry, “No Taxation Without Representation,” inspired America to declare its independence in 1776. It can also lead to a rebirth of democracy in our own time.
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What is absolutely laughable is this is something, almost cut and paste, that the Tea Party would have posted from before and the Left would have ridiculed.

 
It all starts with one. Are you going to be the one to step up and lead by not paying your taxes? Let me guess. No. Because it's dumb. 

 
Straight popular vote will never pass so just save your energy. When "dumb" people have the right to directly make decisions, stuff like Brexit happens, which none of the elite are happy about.

 
dickey moe said:
Democrats refusing to pay taxes? There goes $12,675.14 missing from the Federal Treasury.
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Ok that's funny.

As someone who voted for Hillary, everyone needs to shut the #### up about this popular vote tally. That's not how our democracy works, so stop bemoaning about it. Trump won fair and square. It's over.

Its like losing a football game and then saying how you gained more yards so really you were better. Guess what the game isn't about gaining more yards it's about scoring points. 

Or in this case electoral votes. You don't like it, don't trot out a severely flawed candidate that myself and many others continued to point out in the primaries. Now we see what the other side does, and hopefully our country continues to improve. If not in 4 years bring a candidate who is not universally hated and can speak to the blue collar masses.

As a democrat this whining is just beyond insufferable. Boo ####### hoo, some crappy career politician didn't win. It's not like Martin Luther King lost and we lost some historic chance at a renaissance in America. 

:ptts:  and suck it up you ### #### babies.

 
Is this one of those situations where if 65 million people really did this they couldn't possibly throw all of us in jail? Sort of like when there were walkouts in high school and no one would get detention?

 
bagger said:
Ok that's funny.

As someone who voted for Hillary, everyone needs to shut the #### up about this popular vote tally. That's not how our democracy works, so stop bemoaning about it. Trump won fair and square. It's over.

Its like losing a football game and then saying how you gained more yards so really you were better. Guess what the game isn't about gaining more yards it's about scoring points. 

Or in this case electoral votes. You don't like it, don't trot out a severely flawed candidate that myself and many others continued to point out in the primaries. Now we see what the other side does, and hopefully our country continues to improve. If not in 4 years bring a candidate who is not universally hated and can speak to the blue collar masses.

As a democrat this whining is just beyond insufferable. Boo ####### hoo, some crappy career politician didn't win. It's not like Martin Luther King lost and we lost some historic chance at a renaissance in America. 

:ptts:  and suck it up you ### #### babies.
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Post of the Year?  I think so. :thumbup:

 
Scoresman said:
Is this one of those situations where if 65 million people really did this they couldn't possibly throw all of us in jail? Sort of like when there were walkouts in high school and no one would get detention?
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But some WILL go to jail.  Who is going to risk that over a process we've never used to elect a President?

 
Also, just because your candidate lost doesn't mean you're not being represented. OMG why am I getting involved in this nonsense? I just wanted to dine and dash but I feel drawn. I'm out! Unless I think of something really funny to add. 

 
Courtjester said:
What is absolutely laughable is this is something, almost cut and paste, that the Tea Party would have posted from before and the Left would have ridiculed.
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Who posted the link?  Are most of the people posting in here "the Left" or are they "Tea Party" types?  It's still the same people buying into these email forwards and facebook posts.

 
bostonfred said:
Who posted the link?  Are most of the people posting in here "the Left" or are they "Tea Party" types?  It's still the same people buying into these email forwards and facebook posts.
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This is from TIME magazine... aka a neutral political commentator

 
Max Power said:
This is from TIME magazine... aka a neutral political commentator
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Let's find all the dumb in this.

1) You did not read TIME magazine and independently link to this. Please don't pretend you did. You're copy/pasting links you.found elsewhere.

2) This is not a neutral political commentator suggesting this. It's a write in opinion. 

3) When questionung the MSM, this is TIME magazine. But when actual Fox News employees are blatantly partisan, you're quick to.defend the network for being fair and balanced because that's just an editorial not the news.

4) Nobody on the "Left" posted this here. You did. That's what you guys do. Copy links that have been provided to you.

5) The right leaning echo chamber then decides this somehow represents the opinions of "the left" when you're the one who posted the article and nobody has posted saying this is a good idea.

You live in this world of political email forwards and facebook posts where you share this nonsense with like minded people and try to pick fights with people who disagree.  

Case in point you post this, I point out you posted it, and you respond with a non sequitor that this is from TIME magazine. 

This is really the same tea party types - or whatever youre calling yourselves these days - posting the same forwards and backpatting each other.  

 
Scoresman said:
Is this one of those situations where if 65 million people really did this they couldn't possibly throw all of us in jail? Sort of like when there were walkouts in high school and no one would get detention?
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Trump would throw you all in jail

 
How exactly does one threaten to not pay taxes? Do you make an appointment at the IRS, show up and wag your finger at them while yelling in a menacing voice, "You better watch it or I'm not going to pay my taxes!"

 
bostonfred said:
Let's find all the dumb in this.

1) You did not read TIME magazine and independently link to this. Please don't pretend you did. You're copy/pasting links you.found elsewhere.

2) This is not a neutral political commentator suggesting this. It's a write in opinion. 

3) When questionung the MSM, this is TIME magazine. But when actual Fox News employees are blatantly partisan, you're quick to.defend the network for being fair and balanced because that's just an editorial not the news.

4) Nobody on the "Left" posted this here. You did. That's what you guys do. Copy links that have been provided to you.

5) The right leaning echo chamber then decides this somehow represents the opinions of "the left" when you're the one who posted the article and nobody has posted saying this is a good idea.

You live in this world of political email forwards and facebook posts where you share this nonsense with like minded people and try to pick fights with people who disagree.  

Case in point you post this, I point out you posted it, and you respond with a non sequitor that this is from TIME magazine. 

This is really the same tea party types - or whatever youre calling yourselves these days - posting the same forwards and backpatting each other.  
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1) I didn't read it.  Never said I did.  I saw a WTF article and had to read it.

2) Still published by a company who leans left.

3) I think Fox news has been the most balanced news network during the campaign cycle. They are still MSM and I'm not a fan of that at the moment.  I've never jumped through a hoop to defend their position on an issue.

4) Yes. I guess that equates to dumb. :unsure:

5) Fun how that game works.  Conservatives haven't been victim to that recently either...

Who cares who posted what.  I'm sharing content.  Dumb content, but its still content.  I believe I live in a world were some liberals have gone way too far overboard.  Politically correct means that I can't have an opinion on the matter.  My liberal family members went so far as unfriending my wife's facebook and telling us not to visit for christmas.  THAT is a mental problem.  If Hillary won, I'd be in here complaining, but I"m not unfriending family.  People who think that is ok need some perspective.  I'm sharing perspective.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Straight popular vote will never pass so just save your energy. When "dumb" people have the right to directly make decisions, stuff like Brexit happens, which none of the elite are happy about.
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Kinda thinking that there's very little of the elite in this country who are happy that Trump was elected. 

 
Pretending for a second that this is a non-terrible idea...

Is there a way to get around federal income tax withholding? Kinda pointless to threaten to send the money elsewhere if we're never gonna see it anyway.

 
They are the ones who aren't paying now. 

Google says....

An estimated 45.3% of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 taxyear from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won't owe their states income tax.)Apr 18, 2016

 
ShamrockPride said:
Straight popular vote will never pass so just save your energy. When "dumb" people have the right to directly make decisions, stuff like Brexit happens, which none of the elite are happy about.
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"Dumb" people have the right to directly make this decision now. The current electoral college is a far cry from the system the founding fathers created to mitigate the will of the people. 

The current EC is really just a different (dumb) way of counting the popular vote. The electors are just a formality anymore. 

 
Dr Oadi said:
They are the ones who aren't paying now. 

Google says....

An estimated 45.3% of American households — roughly 77.5 million — will pay no federal individual income tax, according to data for the 2015 taxyear from the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan Washington-based research group. (Note that this does not necessarily mean they won't owe their states income tax.)Apr 18, 2016
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And these are all liberals and Democrats.

 
cap'n grunge said:
And these are all liberals and Democrats.
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Top 10 states by highest percentage of non income tax payers:

  1. Mississippi
  2. Georgia
  3. Arkansas
  4. Alabama
  5. South Carolina
  6. New Mexico
  7. Louisiana
  8. Idaho
  9. Texas
  10. Florida
Man, look at all those one blue states in there!  Damn blue states not paying their fair share!

Top 10 states by highest percentage of income tax payers

  1. Alaska
  2. Connecticut
  3. Massachusetts
  4. Washington DC
  5. New Hampshire
  6. Maryland
  7. Wyoming
  8. Washington
  9. North Dakota
  10. Virginia
Ugh, freaking blue states!  Only 70% of the top tax payer states are blue.  Freeloaders!

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Top 10 states by highest percentage of non income tax payers:

  1. Mississippi
  2. Georgia
  3. Arkansas
  4. Alabama
  5. South Carolina
  6. New Mexico
  7. Louisiana
  8. Idaho
  9. Texas
  10. Florida
Man, look at all those one blue states in there!  Damn blue states not paying their fair share!

Top 10 states by highest percentage of income tax payers

  1. Alaska
  2. Connecticut
  3. Massachusetts
  4. Washington DC
  5. New Hampshire
  6. Maryland
  7. Wyoming
  8. Washington
  9. North Dakota
  10. Virginia
Ugh, freaking blue states!  Only 70% of the top tax payer states are blue.  Freeloaders!
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the people not paying the taxes in those red states are liberals. :shrug:

 
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