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#85 Admits "Juicing Up" before games (1 Viewer)

Tat

Has-been punter
85 had his normal Friday interview this afternoon on Sirius NFL radio.

The hosts got to talk about Chad not being 100% this year.

He (Chad) said that for the 1st time in 7 years, he has not been playing @ 100%. He listed a number of problems he is having right now, from a bad left shoulder, to a sprained wrist, to a pectoral strain not to mention the fact that he is going to have bilateral ankle scopes once the season is over.

The announcers asked how he dealt with the pain every week.

He responded by saying he "Juices Up" before every game. The announcers gave him a chance to explain what exactly that meant. He said I get a Toradol injection to help the pain subside until after the game.

He sounded very upbeat during the interview and said he feels no pain at all during the games, but it kinda scares me that he now let the world know that he medicates before the game.

For those of you that don't know what Toradol is here you go:

TORADOLORAL (ketorolac tromethamine), a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID), is indicated for the short-term (up to 5 days in adults), management of moderately severe acute pain that requires analgesia at the opioid level and only as continuation treatment following IV or IM dosing of ketorolac tromethamine, if necessary. The total combined duration of use of TORADOLORAL and ketorolac tromethamine should not exceed 5 days.

 
85 had his normal Friday interview this afternoon on Sirius NFL radio.The hosts got to talk about Chad not being 100% this year.He (Chad) said that for the 1st time in 7 years, he has not been playing @ 100%. He listed a number of problems he is having right now, from a bad left shoulder, to a sprained wrist, to a pectoral strain not to mention the fact that he is going to have bilateral ankle scopes once the season is over.The announcers asked how he dealt with the pain every week.He responded by saying he "Juices Up" before every game. The announcers gave him a chance to explain what exactly that meant. He said I get a Toradol injection to help the pain subside until after the game.He sounded very upbeat during the interview and said he feels no pain at all during the games, but it kinda scares me that he now let the world know that he medicates before the game.For those of you that don't know what Toradol is here you go:TORADOLORAL (ketorolac tromethamine), a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID), is indicated for the short-term (up to 5 days in adults), management of moderately severe acute pain that requires analgesia at the opioid level and only as continuation treatment following IV or IM dosing of ketorolac tromethamine, if necessary. The total combined duration of use of TORADOLORAL and ketorolac tromethamine should not exceed 5 days.
I think you would be suprised at how many players do this.
 
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?

 
Absolutely pointless discussion. This is a common thing. I hope you aren't trying to imply he is illegally using steroids.

 
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?
He was addicted to narcotics. NSAIDS aren't anything like that. They're just ultra-ultra Advil. Non addicting and non narcotic and exceptionally common.
 
Absolutely pointless discussion. This is a common thing. I hope you aren't trying to imply he is illegally using steroids.
Did you read the post?Toradol is an NSAID, much like Advil and other anti-inflammatory OTC drugs.I am not trying to stir up anything, but I think the fact he openly admitted taking shots pre game and the fact he has alot more injuries going on than are reported is alarming.
 
mad sweeney said:
perry147 said:
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?
He was addicted to narcotics. NSAIDS aren't anything like that. They're just ultra-ultra Advil. Non addicting and non narcotic and exceptionally common.
Vicodin was the drug Brett Favre used and he got addicted to it while playing through a ankle injury.
 
Why the injections and not orally? It's not like he needs them to be quick acting since he knows when the games are going to be played and can time the ingestion to coincide.

 
Tat said:
EdwardCat said:
Absolutely pointless discussion. This is a common thing. I hope you aren't trying to imply he is illegally using steroids.
Did you read the post?Toradol is an NSAID, much like Advil and other anti-inflammatory OTC drugs.I am not trying to stir up anything, but I think the fact he openly admitted taking shots pre game and the fact he has alot more injuries going on than are reported is alarming.
Maybe that he's hurt more than has been let on but pain killing shots are very very common. I don't know how many times a questionable player will "get a painkilling shot before seeing if he can go". Players take them before and during games all the time.
 
Why the injections and not orally? It's not like he needs them to be quick acting since he knows when the games are going to be played and can time the ingestion to coincide.
Because the injection allows them to target an area. Orals go into the bloodstream and work generally on the whole body.
 
mad sweeney said:
perry147 said:
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?
He was addicted to narcotics. NSAIDS aren't anything like that. They're just ultra-ultra Advil. Non addicting and non narcotic and exceptionally common.
Vicodin was the drug Brett Favre used and he got addicted to it while playing through a ankle injury.
Yes, vicodin is a narcotic pain reliever. It blocks pain sensors. Anti inflammatories work to reduce inflammation, thereby reducing pain. One masks the pain, one works on the cause. They are generally used in conjunction to control pain. Taking NSAID shots will neither contribute to nor cause any kind of addiction.
 
Tat said:
EdwardCat said:
Absolutely pointless discussion. This is a common thing. I hope you aren't trying to imply he is illegally using steroids.
Did you read the post?Toradol is an NSAID, much like Advil and other anti-inflammatory OTC drugs.I am not trying to stir up anything, but I think the fact he openly admitted taking shots pre game and the fact he has alot more injuries going on than are reported is alarming.
I sure did. I'm sure you'd be surprised what goes on behind the trainer's doors of NFL teams. We don't know 90% of what goes on.
 
It's more a matter of NFL Public Relations. This is the sort of thing they don't want advertised.

The average NFL fan isn't going to take the time to learn the difference between this and an addicting narcotic. And probably won't care about the different nuances.

The fact is that the NFL doesn't gain from advertising that players need to use temporary drug-fixes to allow them to play, or to play at a higher level.

The fundamental point is the same: either you discourage performance-enhancing drugs (steroids, narcotics, whatever) or you don't. And the NFL is pretty clear on how they want their stance to be viewed.

 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.

 
It's more a matter of NFL Public Relations. This is the sort of thing they don't want advertised.

The average NFL fan isn't going to take the time to learn the difference between this and an addicting narcotic. And probably won't care about the different nuances.

The fact is that the NFL doesn't gain from advertising that players need to use temporary drug-fixes to allow them to play, or to play at a higher level.

The fundamental point is the same: either you discourage performance-enhancing drugs (steroids, narcotics, whatever) or you don't. And the NFL is pretty clear on how they want their stance to be viewed.
Announcers talk about players getting pain killing shots all the time. Coaches talk about it, players talk about it, analysts talk about it. Pain killing shots are not performance enhancing drugs, not even in the same ball park. It's not a secret and it's not a PR thing. It's a fact for a large number of players every week and nothing is lost by players talking about it. NSAID shots are nothing more than localized stronger versions of Advil.
 
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Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
Obviously further injury to an already injured area.Look, I am not trying to make a big deal that #85 and 850 other NFL players get pain relief before games. I was simpoly stating that he was "smart" enough to say he did it before games and was more injured than what the average Jhoe sees in the paper and on injury reports.
 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
Obviously further injury to an already injured area.Look, I am not trying to make a big deal that #85 and 850 other NFL players get pain relief before games. I was simpoly stating that he was "smart" enough to say he did it before games and was more injured than what the average Jhoe sees in the paper and on injury reports.
It's way more commonly spoken about than I think you're remembering. I think even last week someone on TV said Travis Henry would try a pain shot before the game to see if he can go. Other than his choice of words it's not any sort of a deal at all and it doesn't mean that he's any more injured than was thought before.
 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
Obviously further injury to an already injured area.Look, I am not trying to make a big deal that #85 and 850 other NFL players get pain relief before games. I was simpoly stating that he was "smart" enough to say he did it before games and was more injured than what the average Jhoe sees in the paper and on injury reports.
It's way more commonly spoken about than I think you're remembering. I think even last week someone on TV said Travis Henry would try a pain shot before the game to see if he can go. Other than his choice of words it's not any sort of a deal at all and it doesn't mean that he's any more injured than was thought before.
So, you knew about the hurt wrist, pectoral, shoulder and the fact he is having surgery on both ankles immediately after the season?
 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
Obviously further injury to an already injured area.Look, I am not trying to make a big deal that #85 and 850 other NFL players get pain relief before games. I was simpoly stating that he was "smart" enough to say he did it before games and was more injured than what the average Jhoe sees in the paper and on injury reports.
It's way more commonly spoken about than I think you're remembering. I think even last week someone on TV said Travis Henry would try a pain shot before the game to see if he can go. Other than his choice of words it's not any sort of a deal at all and it doesn't mean that he's any more injured than was thought before.
So, you knew about the hurt wrist, pectoral, shoulder and the fact he is having surgery on both ankles immediately after the season?
That's a bad choice of words on my part. What I mean is that the shots don't always make a player more hurt than was thought. In CJ's case, he is. But I was treating the two things separately.
 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
over time cortisone eats away the bone. thats not good.once these guys retire theyll all be using the duragesic patch. after 2 major left ankle reconstructions in 13 months, thats the only thing that works for me. and it works well. plus its easier on your system than chomping down pills all day.-biz-
 
Why is this so shocking?? NFL players for years have been taking pain killing injections. This is a non story.
Do you think there are any negative side effects to pain killing injections?
over time cortisone eats away the bone. thats not good.once these guys retire theyll all be using the duragesic patch. after 2 major left ankle reconstructions in 13 months, thats the only thing that works for me. and it works well. plus its easier on your system than chomping down pills all day.-biz-
Cortisone is a steroid. We're talking about non steroidal anti inflammatories.
 
Welcome to the NFL, players take shots like kids pop Skittles. Ocho Cinco isn't making an alarming confession here.

 
Why the injections and not orally? It's not like he needs them to be quick acting since he knows when the games are going to be played and can time the ingestion to coincide.
A medical person who I know tells me that intravenous NSAIDs won't tear up your stomach like a fist full of advils will. And toradol lasts for much longer as well. Hope this helps.BFS
 
Why the injections and not orally? It's not like he needs them to be quick acting since he knows when the games are going to be played and can time the ingestion to coincide.
Because the injection allows them to target an area. Orals go into the bloodstream and work generally on the whole body.
Injections are usually IV which get to the entire body. If it is given intramuscluar (IM) it acts as a slow release but still gets to the entire body, not as a specific targeting mechanism. Most pro athletes want the IV b/c it acts fast and gets everywhere, IM can cause sore muscles at the injection site (like a flu shot) which is not the effect that is they are looking for.BFS
 
I think Steve McNair played this way just about every game for several years in a row.
Well, there you go. They do have an averse and severe reaction over time. I take some before logging on the net.All kidding aside, I don't think this kind of thing should suprise many people. Who knows what they even do at halftime. Chad Johnson is having an off year and some may be due to being banged up but the Bengals are also a bad team right now.
 
A few comments.

I believe that the vast majority of "pain-killing" injections are local or IM. I tried to do a google search for an article written a few years ago that published data from NFL training rooms showing that over 90% of team medical staffs used Toradol on gameday but wasn't able to find it. I'm nearly positive that the article stated that Toradol injections were predominantly intramuscular as I remember reading that muscle soreness was the primary adverse effect reported.

I have no inside knowledge of the culture, but the limited reading I've done suggests that Toradol is probably the most common injection. But narcotics (long acting Marcaine, shorter acting Lidocaine) are also used very often locally -- rib injections, nerve blocks -- but kept much quieter. Corticosteroid injections were also mentioned above and I'd guess they're used more often than is reported, despite the long term consequences of repeated injections. Those injections will be local as well, often directly into a joint.

Regardless of the route or site of administration, as many have noted above, injections are extremely common in the NFL. The tough-guy culture of the league both promotes taking the needle and keeping it quiet. And the long term effects of the injections are still pretty controversial. How much damage is done by the injection? Who should be injected and when? How much further injury and long term disability is promoted by repeated injections?

There's a fair amount of discussion in NFL biographies about the culture. Romanowski discussed it and I remember seeing chapters discussing injections from authors in the Vikings and Seahawks locker room recently. There was also a detailed article from the NY Times? a few years back. Might be worth googling for those interested.

 
perry147 said:
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?
More of that record has come after he quit painkillers.Not sure why some still love to bring up something for Favre that happened before the season that they won the Super Bowl. Yes, 11 years ago.
 
Taking the needle has been common place in the NFL forever. My dad played collegiately in the early 50s and took the needle then before just about every game, or at halftime, and played on it. Of course, he has both knees replaced and can't walk very well anymore, but what the hey..

 
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perry147 said:
How do you think Brent Favre got the record for most starts? Do you think it is a coincidence that he became addicted to pain killers?
This is like comparing apples to carrots.
 
NY Times Article:

PRO FOOTBALL; Painkillers a Quiet Fact of Life in the N.F.L.

By MIKE FREEMAN

Published: January 31, 2002

Kurt Warner's ribs remain the talk of the town. Warner, the St. Louis Rams' quarterback, says that the ribs he bruised in the playoffs against Green Bay are feeling better. But they are still quite sore, and there remains a possibility he will take a painkilling injection before playing against the New England Patriots Sunday in Super Bowl XXXVI.

''We'll see how it goes, but hopefully it won't come to that,'' Warner said on Tuesday.

Warner's situation, and that of Pittsburgh running back Jerome Bettis, who had an adverse reaction to a painkilling shot only minutes before a playoff game two weeks ago, is calling attention to the use of such medication in the National Football League.

Many players say that the use of pain-numbing shots is pervasive in pro football, the most violent of American professional sports.

The demand for the shots is so widespread that it might be hard to field teams to play on a typical Sunday, much less a Super Bowl game, without them.

Pain is an unspoken but constant presence in the sport, and painkilling injections allow players to function when their bodies want to shut down.

''Football is a rough game,'' Rams cornerback Dexter McCleon said. ''These shots are a necessity. If it wasn't for these shots, a lot of guys, I mean hundreds of guys, wouldn't be able to play every week. I would say half the teams in football wouldn't have enough guys to play on Sunday if it wasn't for those needles.''

Team doctors and trainers generally consider the use of painkilling drugs to be safe.

But there are potential dangers. Since injections or oral medication can mask pain, a player sometimes runs the risk of further injury.

''One danger is you are numbing a body part that if a player takes a blow there he could do further damage without knowing it,'' Ronnie Barnes, the Giants' trainer, said. ''Pain tells you to stop. If you can't feel the pain, that's a danger.''

Repeated shots can sometimes delay the healing process, trainers and players said. There can also be complications associated with an injection. Bettis was unable to play on Jan. 20 after he was given two shots of a local anesthetic called Marcain to mask pain he anticipated from a groin injury that had kept him out of the lineup for weeks. One shot leaked underneath a nerve, causing his leg to go numb.

Several Rams and Patriots said they were concerned that players resort too often to painkilling drugs because of pressure from their teams and teammates to play at all costs.

Sometimes the pressure is also self-induced, they said.

''There are times when it's safer for players to just sit and rest an injury for two weeks instead of getting shot up,'' said Patriots fullback Marc Edwards, who said he had never taken a painkilling injection. ''But there's too much pressure on guys to get back on the field. So they take risks and get the shots.''

Patriots safety Lawyer Milloy said: ''In general I don't like taking shots. But they are a necessary evil. If you don't do whatever it takes to play, you feel like you let your teammates down. They might also look at you like you're a wimp.''

The N.F.L. says teams are required to keep records of all prescription medications administered to players, including painkillers like Toradol, which is injected, and Vicodin, which is taken in pills. The N.F.L. says it monitors those records.

The league has no specific policy on injections, saying it is a matter between players and team doctors. The Players Association has not commented on the subject.

Three trainers estimated that 70 percent of current N.F.L. players have received at least one painkilling shot during their careers and that perhaps 50 percent have been given more than one. Wayne Gandy, the Steelers' offensive tackle, said this month that about half of his team's 53-man roster took painkilling shots each week.

''I can't imagine one player in this league who plays in the trenches not ever needing to take a shot,'' Rams linebacker London Fletcher said. ''It's basically impossible.''

Barnes, the Giants' trainer, said, ''It's difficult to say what percentage of N.F.L. players have taken painkilling injections, but I can't sit here and say it's a small number.''

Some Rams and Patriots said they expected a handful of teammates to get injections before the championship game on Sunday.

Patriots quarterback Tom Brady may be among them, should he need an injection for pain in his sprained left ankle, a Patriots official said today.

Painkilling injections are not new in the N.F.L. John Elway, the former Denver quarterback, received painkilling shots for injured ribs. Philadelphia Eagles running back Duce Staley got them for a painful hernia. Brian Mitchell, the Eagles' kick returner, got a shot to numb pain from a heel injury.

Troy Aikman, the retired Dallas Cowboys quarterback, once took eight painkilling shots for a herniated disk. Quarterback Trent Dilfer took eight painkilling injections over several days for a shoulder injury when he played for Tampa Bay in 1997.

In 1974, the Hall of Fame linebacker **** Butkus of the Bears sued his team, contending that repeated cortisone injections had harmed his long-term health. The Bears paid Butkus $600,000 in a settlement.

Barnes said one of the most common painkilling drugs now in use is Toradol, an anti-inflammatory that is injected.

''That is the only medicine I will allow trainers to use on me,'' Patriots linebacker Bryan Cox said. ''A lot of the others are bad news, because they can become addictive.''

Players typically receive injections on the day of games to enable them to play despite pain. After games or after practices, they are usually given oral prescription medicine to numb pain, and some players have become addicted to the pills. Green Bay quarterback Brett Favre was treated for an addiction to Vicodin several years ago.

Sometimes, too, a needle can be inserted improperly. In 1999 San Francisco tight end Greg Clark said a shot intended to ease the pain from five rib fractures accidentally punctured a lung.

At the time, he said, ''The thing that's hard as an athlete is sometimes you get so used to playing in pain and dealing with pain that sometimes you're not sure where to draw the line of where it's too serious to play.''

Some players endure the shots despite a fear of them.

''That needle hurts like heck,'' Fletcher said. ''When it goes in, I look away and hope it goes to the right place.''

The potential risks are among the reasons Warner does not want to take a shot before playing on Sunday. He said last week that the injection he took before playing the Eagles in the National Football Conference championship game was the first of his career.

''I don't like to do that,'' he said. ''I do not want to do that.''
 

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