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A horrifying look into the mind of 9/11’s mastermind, in his own words (1 Viewer)

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-horrifying-look-into-the-mind-of-911s-mastermind-in-his-own-words/2016/11/28/bf5827a8-b575-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html





A horrifying look into the mind of 9/11’s mastermind, in his own words



 






 






Khalid Sheik Mohammed in 2003. (Associated Press)


By Marc A. Thiessen  


Opinions
November 28



 


What is it like to stare into the face of evil? James E. Mitchell knows.

In his gripping new memoir, “Enhanced Interrogation: Inside the Minds and Motives of the Islamic Terrorists Trying To Destroy America,” Mitchell describes the day he was questioning Khalid Sheik Mohammed, when the 9/11 mastermind announced he had something important to say. “KSM then launched into a gory and detailed description of how he beheaded Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl,” Mitchell writes. Up to that moment, the CIA did not know KSM had personally carried out the murder. When asked whether it was “hard to do” (meaning emotionally difficult), KSM misunderstood the question. “Oh, no, no problem,” KSM said, “I had very sharp knives. Just like slaughtering sheep.”

To confirm his story, the CIA had KSM reenact the beheading so that it could compare the features of his hands and forearms to those in the video of Pearl’s murder. “Throughout the reenactment, KSM smiled and mugged for the cameras. Sometimes he preened,” Mitchell writes. When informed that the CIA had confirmed that he was telling the truth, KSM smiled. 

“See, I told you,” KSM said. “I cut Daniel’s throat with these blessed hands.”

This is the pure evil Mitchell and his colleagues confronted each day at CIA “black sites.” “I have looked into the eyes of the worst people on the planet,” Mitchell writes. “I have sat with them and felt their passion as they described what they see as their holy duty to destroy our way of life.”

The world has heard almost nothing from KSM in the 15 years since the 9/11 attacks, but Mitchell has spent thousands of hours with him and other captured al-Qaeda leaders. Now, for the first time, Mitchell is sharing what he says KSM told him. 

Mitchell is an American patriot who has been unjustly persecuted for his role in crafting an interrogation program that helped stop terrorist attacks and saved countless lives. He does not shy from the controversies and pulls no punches in describing the interrogations. If anything, readers may be surprised by the compassion he showed these mass murderers. But the real news in his book is what happened after enhanced interrogations ended and the terrorists began cooperating.

Once their resistance had been broken, enhanced interrogation techniques stopped and KSM and other detainees became what Mitchell calls a “Terrorist Think Tank,” identifying voices in phone calls, deciphering encrypted messages and providing valuable information that led the CIA to other terrorists. Mitchell devotes an entire chapter to the critical role KSM and other detainees played in finding Osama bin Laden. KSM held classes where he lectured CIA officials on jihadist ideology, terrorist recruiting and attack planning. He was so cooperative, Mitchell writes, KSM “told me I should be on the FBI’s Most Wanted List because I am now a ‘known associate’ of KSM and a ‘graduate’ of his training camp.” 

KSM also described for Mitchell many of his as yet unconsummated ideas for future attacks, the terrifying details of which Mitchell does not reveal for fear they might be implemented. “If we ever allow him to communicate unmonitored with the outside world,” Mitchell writes, “he could easily spread his deviously simple but potentially deadly ideas.”

But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”

But KSM said something else that was prophetic. In the end, he told Mitchell, “We will win because Americans don’t realize . . . we do not need to defeat you militarily; we only need to fight long enough for you to defeat yourself by quitting.” 

KSM explained that large-scale attacks such as 9/11 were “nice, but not necessary” and that a series of “low-tech attacks could bring down America the same way ‘enough disease-infected fleas can fell an elephant.’ ” KSM “said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States” and “wrap themselves in America’s rights and laws” until they were strong enough to rise up and attack us. “He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people would eventually become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.” 

“Eventually,” KSM said, “America will expose her neck for us to slaughter.”

KSM was right. For the past eight years, our leaders have told us that we are weary of war and need to focus on “nation building at home.” We have been defeating ourselves by quitting — just as KSM predicted.

But quitting will not bring us peace, KSM told Mitchell. He explained that “it does not matter that we do not want to fight them,” Mitchell writes, adding that KSM explained “America may not be in a religious war with him, but he and other True Muslims are in a religious war with America” and “he and his brothers will not stop until the entire world lives under Sharia law.”



 
Their way or death.  Pathetic & dangerous to the max.   Torture works & I'm all in favor of it.

 
Worth noting that this is not a news article but an opinion piece by W's speechwriter.  It clearly has an agenda.
An op-ed piece about a memoir containing indirect quotes from KSM isn't exactly "in his own words" but I don't expect much from the failing Washington Post.   So sad.

 
This part was sort of interesting but considering the source it might be more fluff than stuff

But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”

 
He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.
If we had had a normal presidential campaign this would have been a topic IMO. Unfortunately AQ declared war - formally - on the US around 1995 and they hit military, diplomatic and civilian targets with very little consequence. It took the US at least 6 years, an attack in NYC and a new president before we declared war on AQ.

 
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Desperation/fear is a helluva motivator.  I remember doing a study on terrorist groups in a psychology class in college (late 90s) so none of this surprises me and seems to fit in line with the attitudes and thinking that we found back then.  Only now, it's grown more intense.  I think we see that playing out pretty clearly these days.  I don't want to make this a commentary on torture vs non-torture because I believe that misses the larger point.  That point is, these terrorists, they aren't wired like your average person.  In a sense, they aren't even all that "human" as you and I would identify "human".  That needs to be understood first and foremost IMO.  After than we can talk about the unique morality that would apply to them and their treatment.

 
Desperation/fear is a helluva motivator.  I remember doing a study on terrorist groups in a psychology class in college (late 90s) so none of this surprises me and seems to fit in line with the attitudes and thinking that we found back then.  Only now, it's grown more intense.  I think we see that playing out pretty clearly these days.  I don't want to make this a commentary on torture vs non-torture because I believe that misses the larger point.  That point is, these terrorists, they aren't wired like your average person.  In a sense, they aren't even all that "human" as you and I would identify "human".  That needs to be understood first and foremost IMO.  After than we can talk about the unique morality that would apply to them and their treatment.
This feels right.  These people want to destroy.  If Islam didn't exist they'd find their "inspiration" in something else.

 
KSM also described for Mitchell many of his as yet unconsummated ideas for future attacks, the terrifying details of which Mitchell does not reveal for fear they might be implemented. “If we ever allow him to communicate unmonitored with the outside world,” Mitchell writes, “he could easily spread his deviously simple but potentially deadly ideas.”


KSM explained that large-scale attacks such as 9/11 were “nice, but not necessary” and that a series of “low-tech attacks could bring down America the same way ‘enough disease-infected fleas can fell an elephant.’ ”
- In principle I'm against waterboarding and torture. I've had relatives in war, these are things I think of foes of the US doing and which we would not.

But anyone who talks about this needs to think about what they would personally do if charges with stopping things like 9/11, and really diabolical plans to kill masses of human beings, especially Americans. It's a hell of a thing to think about. Some people do have to.

 
“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”
oh come on! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

that's a Nic Cage line from a John Travolta movie that got greenlighted after Steven Seagal gave it his blessing

 
- In principle I'm against waterboarding and torture. I've had relatives in war, these are things I think of foes of the US doing and which we would not.

But anyone who talks about this needs to think about what they would personally do if charges with stopping things like 9/11, and really diabolical plans to kill masses of human beings, especially Americans. It's a hell of a thing to think about. Some people do have to.
Goes back to what I posted a few posts ago.  As a principled stance, you are spot on and when you think of that stance you are thinking of the general rule person.  These terrorists are most certainly the exception though.  A completely different thought process needs to be used with a person wired like that.  I get why people might want to generalize and pass judgment saying it's "bad" across the board, but that shows a complete lack of understanding and it's lazy.  

 
But anyone who talks about this needs to think about what they would personally do if charges with stopping things like 9/11, and really diabolical plans to kill masses of human beings, especially Americans. It's a hell of a thing to think about. Some people do have to.
*sigh* "torture works" has been pretty well resoundingly debunked. 

if torture works you get information that confirms what you already want to believe because you're feeding the torturee information and telling them to regurgitate it. or it's just made up bull####.

particularly it's bull#### when used as a justification for "saving lives" when torturing someone after years of incarceration when they have no current information available to them to give up.

"Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaary, it's been 8 years this guy has been living in this box... think he knows the score of the Packers game that just wrapped? my internet feed went dead this morning and i haven't been able to catch the final. think if we electrocute his balls and rip off some fingernails he'll be able to tell us?? he's a hard case, he'll probably hold back unless we really dial it up so bring in the German Shepherds and sic them on him if he doesn't talk."

 
Is there some reason why KSM hasn't been killed yet for plotting the 9/11 attacks?  I thought he was going to get tried by a military tribunal and then once Obama took office they floated the idea of having him tried in a civilian court in NYC but that turned into a debacle.  It has now been 15 years since the attacks and he just gets to hang out at Guantanamo indefinitely even though he admits plotting an attack that killed thousands of innocent U.S. citizens?  Doesn't seem right to me. 

 
*sigh* "torture works" has been pretty well resoundingly debunked. 

if torture works you get information that confirms what you already want to believe because you're feeding the torturee information and telling them to regurgitate it. or it's just made up bull####.

particularly it's bull#### when used as a justification for "saving lives" when torturing someone after years of incarceration when they have no current information available to them to give up.

"Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaary, it's been 8 years this guy has been living in this box... think he knows the score of the Packers game that just wrapped? my internet feed went dead this morning and i haven't been able to catch the final. think if we electrocute his balls and rip off some fingernails he'll be able to tell us?? he's a hard case, he'll probably hold back unless we really dial it up so bring in the German Shepherds and sic them on him if he doesn't talk."
I'm just saying that whether it's you personally or someone else knowing that whatever methods up to x point have not worked and knowing the sort of thing that KSM revealed - e.g. biological warfare, multiple simultaneous airline kamakazi plots, etc. - would probably lead a normal person to some very difficult choices about what to do next. 

 
skillz said:
Is there some reason why KSM hasn't been killed yet for plotting the 9/11 attacks?  I thought he was going to get tried by a military tribunal and then once Obama took office they floated the idea of having him tried in a civilian court in NYC but that turned into a debacle.  It has now been 15 years since the attacks and he just gets to hang out at Guantanamo indefinitely even though he admits plotting an attack that killed thousands of innocent U.S. citizens?  Doesn't seem right to me. 
This morphed into a torture debate.  Don't go bringing up the death penalty now.

 
This morphed into a torture debate.  Don't go bringing up the death penalty now.
At this point it would just be nice to have a trial that finds he was guilty - at that point the penalty can be figured out.  15 years and nothing for the families, that's too bad. 

 
Righetti said:
This part was sort of interesting but considering the source it might be more fluff than stuff

But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”
I am calling BS on a lot of this.  OK, maybe all of it.

Yep.. all of it.

 
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lod001 said:
Fantastic. The world is happy that you are not in any position of power. We don't need spineless jellyfish running the show. That's why Trump is in power.
Very true! We should probably publicly execute the next terrorist we capture, maybe video tape it to show it to our enemies so they know we mean business.

To really drive the point home, we should behead them!

If that fails, we can get more "tough", really prove to them we aren't spineless. Maybe we can burn them alive! Or drown them! Yeah!

 
Very true! We should probably publicly execute the next terrorist we capture, maybe video tape it to show it to our enemies so they know we mean business.

To really drive the point home, we should behead them!

If that fails, we can get more "tough", really prove to them we aren't spineless. Maybe we can burn them alive! Or drown them! Yeah!
:lmao:   You are a piece of work. We go thru the proper procedure. That is interrogate, torture if necessary to get the info we need, (yeah, we still do that even if you think we don't). Then we execute whatever way is preferred. These people are locusts. They need exterminated. You of course would want to sit down at a dinner table and discuss politics with them until they came across the table and finished you off in one of the manners you quoted. 

 
:lmao:   You are a piece of work. We go thru the proper procedure. That is interrogate, torture if necessary to get the info we need, (yeah, we still do that even if you think we don't). Then we execute whatever way is preferred. These people are locusts. They need exterminated. You of course would want to sit down at a dinner table and discuss politics with them until they came across the table and finished you off in one of the manners you quoted. 
Yeah if I were an ignorant buffoon I'd try and rationalize my backwards world views to make me feel warm and fuzzy. Ya know, a nice safe space.

 

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