Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I say absolutely not, without a doubt, but I have seen some argue otherwise.
What say you?
What say you?
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A League of Their Own poll question (1 Viewer)
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Twice as many are saying yes???
Fennis
Footballguy
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Dottie wanted out. Wanted her kid sister to have some glory and fame like she always had. She wanted the kid living in her shadow to come out into the light. Dottie dropped it on purpose.
Fennis
Footballguy
Surprisingly, Rosie throws like a girl.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Definitely not - Dottie was too much of a competitor.
The Kerminator
Footballguy
No she didn't drop it on purpose. If that was her intent, then why take the collision and just miss the catch on the throw.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I say no, but when she saw the end result, I think she saw that what happened was the best possible outcome for both of their lives. Her character was too competitive to willingly tank.
McJose
Footballguy
They're girls. It was probably a major step to keep them from running to 3rd base first.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No, that was her being genuinely happy that her sister got to experience a moment like that.
Actually, had she been standing on third, instead of about six feet inside the bag, Kit would have been an easy out at third. As for those saying yes, answer me this question: If Dottie threw the game on purpose by dropping the ball, why would she tell the pitcher to throw her high fastballs, saying, "Can't hit 'em, can't lay off 'em?"
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PolishNorbi
Footballguy
There is a difference letting someone else beat your sibling in a fierce competition and letting your sibling win when it came down to the just two of you.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Also, look at the look on Dottie's face when she rises following Kit's hit; she has that oh crap look on her face. And when Kit books it around home and Dottie realizes it, she has a panicked look. If she were gonna let her sister win, her reactions would have been different. And she would have thrown the AB in the top of the 9th (when she hit a two-run single off of Kit to give them the 2-1 lead).
As insecure as Kit was about her sister, the final play I think showed that, even though Dottie was the better overall player, Kit wasn't so awful compared to her that she could never get one over on her, proving that maybe Kit shouldn't be so insecure after all.
As insecure as Kit was about her sister, the final play I think showed that, even though Dottie was the better overall player, Kit wasn't so awful compared to her that she could never get one over on her, proving that maybe Kit shouldn't be so insecure after all.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Like when Dottie hit a two-run single off of her in the top of the 9th?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Very true. It is like the "Did Ralphie kill the horse?" thing on the Sopranos. There really is no right or wrong answer; it is all a matter of how you interpret it. That said, I am still absolutely shocked that this result is so one-sided in the direction that it is.
Adebisi
Footballguy
What? Of course Ralphie killed the horse. I've never heard anyone argue differently.
PolishNorbi
Footballguy
Don't forget Dottie didn't want to play anymore, and Kit did. It was more important for Kit to win, since Dottie was going back to her family.
Early_10
footballgoddess
If not for Dottie, Kit would never have even been there.
PolishNorbi
Footballguy
What does that have to do whether Dottie purposely dropped the ball?Don't forget that smile afterwards, if you lost to your younger sibling by them being and you were such a competitor you would not be happy about that.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I've seen both sides argued a lot. I can see it both ways. Just because Tony thought he killed the horse, and Ralph didn't care about the horse dying, didn't mean that Ralph actually killed the horse.
Native
Footballguy
Dottie only got her onto the train!
Chairshot
Footballguy
Definitely didn't drop it on purpose. Practically nothing leading up to that scene would make any sense at all if she dropped it intentionally.
If you think she dropped it on purpose, you have to believe she had been thinking the following for the entire movie:
"I'm going to try to grind my upstart kid sister into the ground for our entire lives, just so, in the very unlikely chance that someone starts a woman's baseball league and we join the following can happen: We will fight and claw at each other and I'll take advantage of every detail about her game that I learned along the way so I can win. I'll make her feel like crap and never back down, because I'm a super competitor. But in the World Series, in the bottom of the 9th she'll blow through the stop sign at 3rd and run me over. Even though she was out by a mile, I'll DROP THE BALL THEN. I really want to be ready for the .0000001% chance that this happens. It will be dramatic and great!"
Makes zero sense. Kit just wanted it more.
If you think she dropped it on purpose, you have to believe she had been thinking the following for the entire movie:
"I'm going to try to grind my upstart kid sister into the ground for our entire lives, just so, in the very unlikely chance that someone starts a woman's baseball league and we join the following can happen: We will fight and claw at each other and I'll take advantage of every detail about her game that I learned along the way so I can win. I'll make her feel like crap and never back down, because I'm a super competitor. But in the World Series, in the bottom of the 9th she'll blow through the stop sign at 3rd and run me over. Even though she was out by a mile, I'll DROP THE BALL THEN. I really want to be ready for the .0000001% chance that this happens. It will be dramatic and great!"
Makes zero sense. Kit just wanted it more.
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Apple Juice
Footballguy
Dottie wanted to win up until that moment. Everything she did until then was to win. But at the moment when it could have gone either way, she decided to let it go. 100% on purpose. She was a beast. 10 Kits barreling into her at the same time couldn't have shaken the ball loose from her. And it pissed me off, too. #### Kit. Whiney brat through the whole ####### movie and she gets to be the hero? Gets to think she beat the most dominant player of the era? Bull####. #### that movie.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Plus, there was montage of plays earlier in the movie, and one of those plays showed Dottie getting barrelled over at the plate by a larger player, and she didn't drop the ball that time.My question is: were they so hard up for female ballplayers they didn't care about the one with the mullett during the evaluation scene? Or did that hairstyle exist back then?
McJose
Footballguy
Go easy, man.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Actually, there are a couple of director's cuts that have different scenarios revolving around the "dropped ball"My understanding is that these are being saved for the 25th anniversary DVDMy favorite is when Doris, so excited about the final out being made, starts jumping up and down. The stadium starts shaking like Bushwood when Spackler hit the TNT plunger. The home plate umpire, played by Brian Doyle Murray, gives a resounding safe call when the trembles become too much for Dottie to endure and the ball falls from her hand 48 seconds later. Then Mr Ham makes a post in the FFA about an earthquake in Racine, ll and swears the end is near.Another one involves Marla Hooch and a bodily function.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
So? A catcher being ran over by a runner running full speed is not gonna either drop the ball or hold on to the ball (whichever way you want to go) every single time. Even the best catchers might have a few jarred loose here and there. It all depends on a variety of factors.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Nah. You don't get it, friend. Dottie wasn't PLANNING on it coming down to that. Until the exact moment when she watched in disbelief as Kit ignored the stop sign and rounded third, you bet your sweet ### she wanted to win. She would have kicked Kit in the crotch and watched her cry to win. Dottie was ####### hardcore--who is denying that?!?! Then she saw the Devil in Kit's eyes and realized the only thing Kit wanted in the world was to prove herself once and for all. There was no way Kit was going to plate the winning run, she realized, unless she gave it to her. So she took the blow when she could have knocked Kit backwards on her ###, and to sell it, she got blown up and let the ball drop in an pathetic attempt to save her own soul. I can't believe there are people who don't see that. It was another typical "winning isn't everything" horse #### ending.
PolishNorbi
Footballguy
Exactly no way does Dottie not hold on if she wanted to. She already knew she was leaving the game for her family, the most important thing to her, while Kit was going to stick around. Things change in life when a decision is made spur the moment like this one was.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Apple Juice,
A catcher standing still is gonna knock a runner running full speed backwards just like that? Um, okay. I don't care if Dottie was that much bigger than Kit, that wasn't gonna happen. She is not a wall, ya know.
A catcher standing still is gonna knock a runner running full speed backwards just like that? Um, okay. I don't care if Dottie was that much bigger than Kit, that wasn't gonna happen. She is not a wall, ya know.
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The Kerminator
Footballguy
There is no crying in womens baseball, and there is no game throwing either. End of story.
Vultan
Footballguy
Preach it, brother man.
Early_10
footballgoddess
That she had always taken care of and wanted success for her sister. Knowing she was going home to her husband and Kit only had baseball, I think she was clear on decidedly dropping the ball.
Early_10
footballgoddess
In the first scene, older Dottie is telling her daughter, " It was never important to me, it was just something I did." Then she tells her grandson " remember he (your little brother) is littler than you so give him a chance to shoot, promise?"
And then there's this:
See the 2:50 point
And then there's this:
See the 2:50 point
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Chairshot
Footballguy
The last scene of that same clip (starting at 7:30) tells a much different story.Dottie cared about winning and was a team player. She was willing to sacrifice her sister's feelings to give the team the best chance to win. No way she lets all of her team mates down by dropping that ball on purpose.Early_10 said:
EDIT: In fact, at 2:35 of this clip, Dottie plainly says "It was an important game, it put us in the playoffs." Clearly Dottie understood the team concept and wanted to win it all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1cIYOq9FnU...feature=related
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Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
She wasn't letting them down if they didn't know she did it on purpose. She was willing to sacrifice her sister's feelings all the way up until the moment where she saw her blow through the sign, when she realized she could let it go either way with no one else knowing.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Not on purpose. She was never timid and never gave anything less then 100% on the field throughout the story. She new Kit's weakness and tried to exploit it to win. When Kit hit the ball she couldn't believe it and when she realized Kit was rounding the bases to come home the look in her eye was surprise and she was timid - she hesitated. That was the first time she did that on the field. She didn't want to collide with her sister - she didn't ever envision having to. Instead of standing into the collision and knocking Kit down (which she should of) she braced herself and looked like she didn't want to be there.
She didn't drop it on purpose. She dropped it because she hesitated and let her sister get the best of her when she realized that she would have to hit her or take a hit. The look on her face afterwards was acceptance and pride in her sister and relief that she was done.
Or she could have dropped it on purpose.
She didn't drop it on purpose. She dropped it because she hesitated and let her sister get the best of her when she realized that she would have to hit her or take a hit. The look on her face afterwards was acceptance and pride in her sister and relief that she was done.
Or she could have dropped it on purpose.
Chairshot
Footballguy
Ah, yes, the ol' "if the tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" argument. If Dottie had shot Kit in the head, and no one knew she did it, would she still be guilty of fratricide? Of course she would. Knowledge of the event doesn't make it more or less legitimate. If Dottie dropped the ball on purpose, she let her team down, period. It doesn't matter if they knew it or not. Are we all prepared to label Dottie a selfish, unreliable quitter? I know I'm not. But a "Yes" vote is a vote for Dottie the loser. Shame on you all.
