A. Peterson / the Chester handcuff (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

If you really want to have fun, you take Peterson in the first round, Taylor in the sixth or seventh, and no RBs in between. Last year, Taylor was RB20 and Peterson was RB3. Nothing wrong with that as your RB duo, especially if you have the luxury of using four of your first five picks on non-RBs.If Taylor doesn't do much, it probably means Peterson is having one of those win-the-league-by-himself type seasons. If Peterson gets hurt, then you've probably got a top-10ish RB in Taylor as a consolation prize, and you hope your strength at WR/QB/TE will make up for the weak RB2 slot. (And hey, what team doesn't have to hope for some breaks if they lose their #1 pick to injury?) If both stay healthy and the line continues to gel as Chase suggests, then you might have RB2 and RB15 or RB1 and RB17 or some such. In 2005, David Yudkin was telling anyone who would listen to draft Holmes and Larry Johnson, not as a handcuff but as your two starters. It was a very smart move that year. While this situation isn't quite as foolproof, I think it's a pretty good play if you see good QB/WR value at the 24/25 turn.

Wow. Someone somewhat intelligent remembering something I posted a few years ago. I'm shocked and appaled at this, Doug.ADP and Taylor combined for 437 points last year. That's almost as much as the #5 and #6 RBs scored COMBINED. I've been pimping Minnesota as the new Seattle (not quite the new KC), and they haven't disappointed.I agree that taking Taylor is not a bad thing, and I think it's a win-win situation. If ADP gets way more work than last year (which I don't think will happen), then you can start him and have insurance in CT. If they end up splitting the workload to a certain degree, you can always play CT if you need a RB. And if either guy gets hurt, the value of the other one would go up.IMO, whether you own or don't own ADP, wouldn't you at least consider drafting a guy that was a Top 20 RB almost in the 7th round?

 

[Sweet Love]

If you really want to have fun, you take Peterson in the first round, Taylor in the sixth or seventh, and no RBs in between. Last year, Taylor was RB20 and Peterson was RB3. Nothing wrong with that as your RB duo, especially if you have the luxury of using four of your first five picks on non-RBs.If Taylor doesn't do much, it probably means Peterson is having one of those win-the-league-by-himself type seasons. If Peterson gets hurt, then you've probably got a top-10ish RB in Taylor as a consolation prize, and you hope your strength at WR/QB/TE will make up for the weak RB2 slot. (And hey, what team doesn't have to hope for some breaks if they lose their #1 pick to injury?) If both stay healthy and the line continues to gel as Chase suggests, then you might have RB2 and RB15 or RB1 and RB17 or some such. In 2005, David Yudkin was telling anyone who would listen to draft Holmes and Larry Johnson, not as a handcuff but as your two starters. It was a very smart move that year. While this situation isn't quite as foolproof, I think it's a pretty good play if you see good QB/WR value at the 24/25 turn.

Wow. Someone somewhat intelligent remembering something I posted a few years ago. I'm shocked and appaled at this, Doug.ADP and Taylor combined for 437 points last year. That's almost as much as the #5 and #6 RBs scored COMBINED. I've been pimping Minnesota as the new Seattle (not quite the new KC), and they haven't disappointed.I agree that taking Taylor is not a bad thing, and I think it's a win-win situation. If ADP gets way more work than last year (which I don't think will happen), then you can start him and have insurance in CT. If they end up splitting the workload to a certain degree, you can always play CT if you need a RB. And if either guy gets hurt, the value of the other one would go up.IMO, whether you own or don't own ADP, wouldn't you at least consider drafting a guy that was a Top 20 RB almost in the 7th round?

I am a brand new ADP owner in a Keep 3 league (I had to move S-Jax because his contract was running out according to league rules). I had to make the move and am very happy I walked away with a good player in return (ADP), but I beginning to think I underestimated the impact of the Minny backup, whereas with St.Louis I really had nothing to worry about. David, I am very intrigued by your philosophy of grabbing both expecting an RB1 and RB 2 or high 3 in the ADP/Taylor pair, but can I assume this gets blown out of the water if one gets injured? It would certainly clear up one spot, but then you would have to hope the other 3-4 backups or RBBC members you drafted emerges and quickly.

 

[ratbast]

Its all about timing and roster stategy. Take all the RBs at the same projected draft slot as CTaylor and you probably won't want either to start for your team so lets say they are 4th-5th RBs on your roster. Taylor separates himself from the pack because:

You have ADP

You most likely will play your 3rd or 4th RB over Taylor if RB 2 is injured and ADP is not.

If ADP is injured whats to say the RBs from the same tier is even starting or healthy.

Chester has not been overused and you KNOW hes starting the first week you need him.

Thats worth some gold in my book.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I think Taylor also has more value than a normal handcuff. He's likely to get work each week, AP hasn't shown himself to be durable, the Vikings tend to run more because they don't have a QB and Taylor has proven he can do the job decently when given the starter's job.

Plus, many #1 RBs don't have hancuffs. If Westbrook or Steven Jackson goes down, I wouldn't feel good about starting the backup. But if AP gets hurt and I have Taylor, I don't hesitate to make him my starter. There's a lot of value in peace of mind.

 

[smcindoe]

If the Vikes are looking to make the playoffs they will probably save Peterson. That means Chestor Taylor +20 point games in your fantasy playoffs.

Most playoffs start in week 14 or 15. You really think the Vikings will have their playoff spot locked up by then and be resting starters?

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

Its all about timing and roster stategy. Take all the RBs at the same projected draft slot as CTaylor and you probably won't want either to start for your team so lets say they are 4th-5th RBs on your roster. Taylor separates himself from the pack because:You have ADPYou most likely will play your 3rd or 4th RB over Taylor if RB 2 is injured and ADP is not. If ADP is injured whats to say the RBs from the same tier is even starting or healthy.Chester has not been overused and you KNOW hes starting the first week you need him.Thats worth some gold in my book.

Excellent point. I'm sold!

 

[Christo]

If you really want to have fun, you take Peterson in the first round, Taylor in the sixth or seventh, and no RBs in between. Last year, Taylor was RB20 and Peterson was RB3. Nothing wrong with that as your RB duo, especially if you have the luxury of using four of your first five picks on non-RBs.If Taylor doesn't do much, it probably means Peterson is having one of those win-the-league-by-himself type seasons. If Peterson gets hurt, then you've probably got a top-10ish RB in Taylor as a consolation prize, and you hope your strength at WR/QB/TE will make up for the weak RB2 slot. (And hey, what team doesn't have to hope for some breaks if they lose their #1 pick to injury?) If both stay healthy and the line continues to gel as Chase suggests, then you might have RB2 and RB15 or RB1 and RB17 or some such. In 2005, David Yudkin was telling anyone who would listen to draft Holmes and Larry Johnson, not as a handcuff but as your two starters. It was a very smart move that year. While this situation isn't quite as foolproof, I think it's a pretty good play if you see good QB/WR value at the 24/25 turn.

Not a bad strategy for a PPR league where you can go 1RB/4WR, which just happens to be the setup in one of my redraft leagues.

 

[BADDHIPP]

I have AD and picks 2.9, 3.2, 3.9 and 4.12 Its a 1 keeper in a 12 man league. would you take AD with 1 of those picks? I know my league and these cats will take Talor just to piss me off.lol what you think...........

 

[DreadedParms]

I've got the #2 overall pick, and I expect to be taking AP. We're a 14 team, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1K, 1D. We can keep one, and I'm keeping Santonio Holmes and forfeiting the 6.13 pick. I expect a large number (7 or 8)of decent WRs to be kept.

Running backs go fast with the 14 teams, and I expect go RB/WR at the 2/3 turn.

The 4/5 turn is problematic. My next pick after 5.2 is 7.2. While I don't want to take Chester at 5.2, he'll definitely be gone by 7.2. Rounds 5 & 6 are normally used for backup RBs, mid-level QBs & maybe TEs. I could pass on Chester and take a Chris Cooley, or take another RB with problems - Kevin Smith, Medenhall, Forte, etc.

I would take decent QB (Hasselbeck range) at 4.13 and Chester at 5.2. However, if the guy at 4.14/5.1 already has a QB, I doubt he'd take another, but I wouldn't put it past him to take Chester at 5.1. So, it looks as though I'm taking Chester at 4.13 and taking a QB at 5.2. Seems really early, but that's how it looks to play out.

Of course, somebody could drop big time, somebody could take CT in the third or fourth round before me, but I doubt it.

That's where I'm currently standing.

 

[flooredyas]

I'e been doing a lot of mocking lately. Having the #2 pick with AP as my keeper (12 teams) makes Taylor a target for me. What I have seen is that the value of players available at the 6/7 turn has come to have Taylor right there as far as value goes. With this league having a flex, Chester is worth taking at either 6.11 or 7.2-depending on what team 1 looks like. The possibility exists that a top 5/6 TE is still there, but I think the cuff overrides the need to go TE there. I can see CT as a starter in a league allowing 3 RB's to start. I'm on the cuff bandwagon at that round.

 

[citsalp]

If you really want to have fun, you take Peterson in the first round, Taylor in the sixth or seventh, and no RBs in between. Last year, Taylor was RB20 and Peterson was RB3. Nothing wrong with that as your RB duo, especially if you have the luxury of using four of your first five picks on non-RBs.If Taylor doesn't do much, it probably means Peterson is having one of those win-the-league-by-himself type seasons. If Peterson gets hurt, then you've probably got a top-10ish RB in Taylor as a consolation prize, and you hope your strength at WR/QB/TE will make up for the weak RB2 slot. (And hey, what team doesn't have to hope for some breaks if they lose their #1 pick to injury?) If both stay healthy and the line continues to gel as Chase suggests, then you might have RB2 and RB15 or RB1 and RB17 or some such. In 2005, David Yudkin was telling anyone who would listen to draft Holmes and Larry Johnson, not as a handcuff but as your two starters. It was a very smart move that year. While this situation isn't quite as foolproof, I think it's a pretty good play if you see good QB/WR value at the 24/25 turn.

Wow. Someone somewhat intelligent remembering something I posted a few years ago. I'm shocked and appaled at this, Doug.ADP and Taylor combined for 437 points last year. That's almost as much as the #5 and #6 RBs scored COMBINED. I've been pimping Minnesota as the new Seattle (not quite the new KC), and they haven't disappointed.I agree that taking Taylor is not a bad thing, and I think it's a win-win situation. If ADP gets way more work than last year (which I don't think will happen), then you can start him and have insurance in CT. If they end up splitting the workload to a certain degree, you can always play CT if you need a RB. And if either guy gets hurt, the value of the other one would go up.IMO, whether you own or don't own ADP, wouldn't you at least consider drafting a guy that was a Top 20 RB almost in the 7th round?

I remember all of that article...I just don't see this as the same(great call by the way)

 

[Escape Goat]

With ADP's extensive injury history if you want to OWN your league you'll need to lay the handcuffs on Chester early. It's really that simple.

 

[Muahahaha]

Shh. Please don't discuss this much. If there is one thing drafters don't understand, it's that projections don't work for backups: their value is much more based on what would happen if they become the starter. Chester is the "cheapest" lottery ticket in the game; even if AP doesn't go down, he is probably worth his ADP. But if AP goes down, his value skyrockets.

I won my WCOFF satellite league several years ago after cashing in on the Larry Johnson lottery ticket. It's a great strategy.

 

[joffer]

was really surprised how far Chester fell in the Omega drafts today

10.05 - not to the ADP owner

8.04 - not to the ADP owner

9.12 - not to the ADP owner

8.07 - not to the ADP owner

11.05 - not to the ADP owner

8.11 - only time to the ADP owner

and this is in 0.5 PPR for RB scoring. not a lot of faith in Chester right now.

 

[NoFBinLA]

Chestor Taylor averaged 5.4 YPC last year. I think he'd be a top 5 RB if Peterson went down today.

That seems a bit optimistic.

Maybe. But Taylor's pretty talented, Minnesota's offensive line is excellent, and the Vikings have a strong commitment to the running game. I wouldn't hesitate to grab Taylor in the top 5 if Peterson didn't play this season. YMMV. I agree that if you don't view Taylor as a stud RB when Peterson isn't healthy, then your desire to handcuff should be quite a bit lower.

As anyone who listens to The Drive Block the last two weeks can tell you, I am NOT a handcuff fan. Would much rather get best value and if Taylor/Betts/ecetera isn't there when I get around to drafting him, so be it. I am NOT that concerned with ADP's injury history - it's not like the guy has turf toe every week. THAT SAID, in Taylor's case I am looking at him differently. I think he has value as a flex or bye week guy even to the non-ADP owner and I agree that IF Peterson went down, Taylor is one of the few backs who could excel as a top back and put up very good numbers, even if it's not Peterson-like numbers.

My biggest issue with many handcuffs is the back-up is just not guaranteed to instantly reproduce the lost fantasy points your stud was putting up.

Taylor seems to be a guy who might have that upside and I have been looking at him as more of a depth pick than a handcuff. That O-line, his general skill set and experience lead me to believe that he could have some good value.

You can debate the WHEN, but he's about the only 'handcuff' guy I would really fret about grabbing right now.

 

[Todem]

In a dynasty start up I did this past May I grabbed him at 9.01 to handcuff my investment. I felt it was not a huge price to pay at that point in the draft. I normally never draft handcuffs till at the very least after the 10th...but Taylor if he get's in there as a starter due to injury, has proven he is a damm good PPR back and will give you RB2 production no doubt with some upside.