A. Peterson v. C. Taylor - Do you want to know how Childress will use (1 Viewer)

[smackdaddies]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive Coordinator

Darrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QB

Yes, it is the 94 Badgers all over again

Instead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)

It is Chester Taylor and A Peterson

If you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.

Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

 

[strong]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Forgive me, but was Fletcher a far superior talent than Moss?

 

[smackdaddies]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Forgive me, but was Fletcher a far superior talent than Moss?

Very different players - Moss was the hard runner, Fletcher the pass catching speedster.

 

[Koya]

While I believe that, especially early on, Chester will get a lot of work, in the end talent wins out.

Question for Minny homers - is this going to be a run dominated offense? They seem to have the right tools. A young growing QB. One solid WR with nothing else (Wade) and the two best weapons on offense are you better than average at everything great at nothing vet and your skills and talent off the chart rookie.

I could see a 60/40 split with the hot hand getting the 60. Early in the season, by default I think A Pete is getting the 40. But the cream usually rises and that will likely be the talented rook getting more carries as the year goes on. If they run more than most teams, a 60/40 split means the 60 is getting as much opportunity as many/most "full time" starters, who dont get much more than 75% and often 65-70% of the teams overall rushes / backfield touches.

 

[Rev]

While I believe that, especially early on, Chester will get a lot of work, in the end talent wins out.Question for Minny homers - is this going to be a run dominated offense? They seem to have the right tools. A young growing QB. One solid WR with nothing else (Wade) and the two best weapons on offense are you better than average at everything great at nothing vet and your skills and talent off the chart rookie.I could see a 60/40 split with the hot hand getting the 60. Early in the season, by default I think A Pete is getting the 40. But the cream usually rises and that will likely be the talented rook getting more carries as the year goes on. If they run more than most teams, a 60/40 split means the 60 is getting as much opportunity as many/most "full time" starters, who dont get much more than 75% and often 65-70% of the teams overall rushes / backfield touches.

It will be a defensive team that has a slightly better run offense than pass, eventually settling on the identity of a mediocre run and short-pass team. Jackson struggles with any pass over 15 yards, and so until they find a way to strech the field, they will suffer in both run and pass. Jackson could really be a good quarterback, but until he develops, my Vike's will struggle, IMO.

 

[Redding]

 

[DoubleG]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

 

[PahtyTom]

Except AD is the goalline back and Chester is the 3rd down back most likely. Another, BAD ANALOGY.

 

[Biabreakable]

Except AD is the goalline back and Chester is the 3rd down back most likely. Another, BAD ANALOGY.

Agreed.I like the title though. Still trying to crack this nut.Curious to hear more about Childress in 94 if anyone knows and will share.

 

[theoneandonly]

The Vikines got a damn good oline thats part of the reason why Taylor had such a good year last year. The Vikings used the number 7 overall draft pick on a running back for a reason. He had more talent than anyone in the draft. He fell because of the injury concerns he had. This guy is the complete package if he stays healthy watch out.

 

[freeannyong]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

 

[notapplicable]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

With a much better version of Addai?

 

[The_U]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

Which worked out pretty well for Addai owners I think...

 

[strong]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Forgive me, but was Fletcher a far superior talent than Moss?

Very different players - Moss was the hard runner, Fletcher the pass catching speedster.

So wait. That confuses me. Peterson is the pass catching speedster? That's seems like a strange thing to say.

 

[theoneandonly]

Except peterson hes way more talent than addai ever will have. Addai is just in a good situation. Peterson is a dominating playmaker. He has speed and power. He is the best pure "runner" to come out of the draft in a long time. The question marks about AD have been hes never had a comeplete season healthy. He came into the league with a brokan collerbone which also made him fall in the draft. Another question mark was is upright running style which might have to be changed because of injury concerns. He never got the change to display pass catching skills in the oklahoma offense. The fact they have taylor under contract means nothing. Hes a decent running back and not a dominating running back. Again theres a reason they used they thought he was worth the value of a 7 pick and the big contract that comes with it. I think AD is a player with a high risk high reward. If this guy is gonna be healthy hes to valuble not to keep on the filed. Taylor is no where near as good as Deuce in NO who keeps bush off the feild.

PETERSON IS BEST SERVED AS A #3 BACK IF POSSIBLE IF HEALTHY 16 GAMES I PROJECT 1400 YDS 10TDS!

 

[footballfreak99]

I love the Peterson doubters. They are always obviously the guys that missed out on drafting him in any one league, or the passed on him

 

[shadyridr]

Got him as my RB3 in the 5th round. Yeah Im pretty damn happy about that

 

[valhallan]

Let's see.. Chester Taylor had a few good runs in spot duty for Baltimore but couldn't beat out a jail-weakened Jamal Lewis for the starting job, and the Ravens, a team that needed a RB, let him go to Minnesota. New Vikings head coach Brad Childress brings in Tony Richardson and Steve Hutchinson to set a up a strong supporting cast around Taylor, who barely eeks out 4 yards a carry with a measly 6 touchdowns. Then, in Childress' second NFL draft, he selects Adrian Peterson, one of the more heralded running backs to come out of college in the last several years, with the 7th overall pick.

Someone please explain to me how this chain of events would lead anyone to think Chester Taylor has a realistic chance of seeing more than maybe a third of the carries this year, barring injury.

 

[omahabrad]

taylor was the lone bright spot on a really bad team last year. Bad Qb's, bad wr's and a good o-line that played bad. AP wont make it half way through the season before he gets hurt. I'm not sure he made it through a full college season with out getting hurt.

 

[Assani Fisher]

Let's see.. Chester Taylor had a few good runs in spot duty for Baltimore but couldn't beat out a jail-weakened Jamal Lewis for the starting job, and the Ravens, a team that needed a RB, let him go to Minnesota. New Vikings head coach Brad Childress brings in Tony Richardson and Steve Hutchinson to set a up a strong supporting cast around Taylor, who barely eeks out 4 yards a carry with a measly 6 touchdowns. Then, in Childress' second NFL draft, he selects Adrian Peterson, one of the more heralded running backs to come out of college in the last several years, with the 7th overall pick.

Someone please explain to me how this chain of events would lead anyone to think Chester Taylor has a realistic chance of seeing more than maybe a third of the carries this year, barring injury.

Because you conveniently listed every fact that supported your argument while ignoring every fact that went against it. Here I can do the same thing....One year ago the Vikings began to build the foundations for a run oriented team by bringing in Richardson and Hutchinson. They had several options at RB in both free agency and the trade market, but they ultimately decided on Chester Taylor. Taylor did not disappoint: Despite the passing game being horrible and often having 8 men in the box, he finished as the #9 overall rusher in the NFL. Now they bring in a rookie that can't even stay healthy in a short college season.

In the end, whats the point of arguing like this?

Edited to add: Seems like 1/2 the people on the board argue like this too, which is really annoying.

 

[valhallan]

Let's see.. Chester Taylor had a few good runs in spot duty for Baltimore but couldn't beat out a jail-weakened Jamal Lewis for the starting job, and the Ravens, a team that needed a RB, let him go to Minnesota. New Vikings head coach Brad Childress brings in Tony Richardson and Steve Hutchinson to set a up a strong supporting cast around Taylor, who barely eeks out 4 yards a carry with a measly 6 touchdowns. Then, in Childress' second NFL draft, he selects Adrian Peterson, one of the more heralded running backs to come out of college in the last several years, with the 7th overall pick.

Someone please explain to me how this chain of events would lead anyone to think Chester Taylor has a realistic chance of seeing more than maybe a third of the carries this year, barring injury.

Because you conveniently listed every fact that supported your argument while ignoring every fact that went against it. Here I can do the same thing....One year ago the Vikings began to build the foundations for a run oriented team by bringing in Richardson and Hutchinson. They had several options at RB in both free agency and the trade market, but they ultimately decided on Chester Taylor. Taylor did not disappoint: Despite the passing game being horrible and often having 8 men in the box, he finished as the #9 overall rusher in the NFL. Now they bring in a rookie that can't even stay healthy in a short college season.

In the end, whats the point of arguing like this?

Edited to add: Seems like 1/2 the people on the board argue like this too, which is really annoying.

Why would they spend a top 10 pick on a "rookie that can't even stay healthy in a short college season" if Taylor was the answer? They have many other offensive issues yet they chose to take an elite running back. And please with the whining about this board. I've been here long enough to see it too. I just happen to think this particular situation isn't as muddy as numbers-centric fantasy players seem to think it is.

 

[paydrt]

Peterson has been debated to death, RBBC, injury prone, middleing team without a passing attack. For this season Peterson may find himself as part of a RB tandem, this will probably be the only time you will be able to get him with a 3rd or 4th round pick. The guy is a franchise running back, he's a freak. If injuries do limit him in this career I feel football fans will be robbed of the chance to see the type of player that the league can hang it's hat on. Who knows how long his career will last but I'm expecting to see a string of season where he dominates.

 

[freeannyong]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

Which worked out pretty well for Addai owners I think...

not for a second round pick. But if he is your RB3 in round 4 or later then I fully agree that it will work out well.Edit: Addai's game logs ppg:4.8, 16.4, 2.8, 15.9, 7.7, 10.5, 13.0, 10.3, 18.4, 5.7, 44.8, 6.7, 3.6, 7.9, 10.8, 9.3There are much too many sub par games for me to like him being my RB2

 

[corpcow]

While I believe that, especially early on, Chester will get a lot of work, in the end talent wins out.Question for Minny homers - is this going to be a run dominated offense? They seem to have the right tools. A young growing QB. One solid WR with nothing else (Wade) and the two best weapons on offense are you better than average at everything great at nothing vet and your skills and talent off the chart rookie.I could see a 60/40 split with the hot hand getting the 60. Early in the season, by default I think A Pete is getting the 40. But the cream usually rises and that will likely be the talented rook getting more carries as the year goes on. If they run more than most teams, a 60/40 split means the 60 is getting as much opportunity as many/most "full time" starters, who dont get much more than 75% and often 65-70% of the teams overall rushes / backfield touches.

Not a homer, but I've said repeatedly that the Vikes could set a record for more rushing attempts this year. One of the best offensive lines in the league, a young Qb they want to ease in, no legit threats at WR/TE, and two legit workhorses at RB.So I agree with you - either guy is a legit low RB1/ high RB2 just based on number of carries. Of the two I definitely prefer Adrian based on talent, but Chester is definitely looking like a value play. I've seen him fall VERY far in redraft leagues. I'm thinking that worst case scenario he ends the season with 200+ carries for close to 1,000 yards behind that line.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Barring injury, ill be shocked if AD doesnt put up solid RB2 #'s this season. Taylor will get his too, but I can't imagine AD not getting the majority of goalline work, just like Taylor should be the exclusive 3rd down back.

What I predict is that AD's production will be highly volatile in the 1st half of the season. I think in the 2nd half of the season, he'll start to become the man, and by playoff time he's very likely to produce at a RB1 clip. He's just too talented. AD is just as talented as Reggie Bush, but obv. he has a different physical makeup, skill set and running style.

 

[smackdaddies]

While I believe that, especially early on, Chester will get a lot of work, in the end talent wins out.Question for Minny homers - is this going to be a run dominated offense? They seem to have the right tools. A young growing QB. One solid WR with nothing else (Wade) and the two best weapons on offense are you better than average at everything great at nothing vet and your skills and talent off the chart rookie.I could see a 60/40 split with the hot hand getting the 60. Early in the season, by default I think A Pete is getting the 40. But the cream usually rises and that will likely be the talented rook getting more carries as the year goes on. If they run more than most teams, a 60/40 split means the 60 is getting as much opportunity as many/most "full time" starters, who dont get much more than 75% and often 65-70% of the teams overall rushes / backfield touches.

Not a homer, but I've said repeatedly that the Vikes could set a record for more rushing attempts this year. One of the best offensive lines in the league, a young Qb they want to ease in, no legit threats at WR/TE, and two legit workhorses at RB.So I agree with you - either guy is a legit low RB1/ high RB2 just based on number of carries. Of the two I definitely prefer Adrian based on talent, but Chester is definitely looking like a value play. I've seen him fall VERY far in redraft leagues. I'm thinking that worst case scenario he ends the season with 200+ carries for close to 1,000 yards behind that line.

The point folks, is that Childress will use both, but production will vary depending upon the game. In the 94 Badgers both got carries and catches. Some games both did well, some games it was one over the other.Childress will do rbbc, bevel will call plays rbbc, they will go more to whomever is hot in that game, but they wont get away from either.If the price is right, they might be a great 2 for in a survivor format. You can love AP all you want, but you are ignoring history of the coaches, history of CT last year, and how the preseason has gone, if you expect AP to be the dominant RB for the Vikes, game in, game out, all season.

 

[RedRaiders]

We're comparing this to a college team from 13 years ago? Just stop, please.

 

[Arnold. S]

like many has said, in the end talent will win out. Just watching AP do work as the season progresses

 

[Sleeper 43]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

If you meant how Addai (Peterson) slowly got more carries as the season went on.... I agree

 

[urbanhack]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Is the NFC central the new Big Ten?

 

[the hairy scotsman]

IF HEALTHY 16 GAMES I PROJECT 1400 YDS 10TDS!

If healthy, Peterson may even top those numbers...but that's a big "if".He's incredibly talented, but has a very upright running style and seeks contact. The latter is great for the most part, but in combination with the former, it tended to get him dinged quite a bit even in college. Now he's playing with people who'll really have no compunction about hurting him. It would serve him well to get his pad level down a bit. So that's obviously why we keep hearing that he'll be splitting time...I'm guessing along the lines of 60/40 or 55/45 with him getting more.

 

[Raider Nation]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Is the NFC central the new Big Ten?

No, but evidently the NFC North is.

 

[ctdub]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Is the NFC central the new Big Ten?

Probably a better comparison would be the southwest conference since it no longer exists either.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Not sure if everyone saw this story:

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1393396.html

But, the gist of the story is how the Vikings need to boost attendance to continue to receive revenue sharing dollars from the league.

How do you suppose they are going to boost attendance?

Winning, of course, will draw fans, but all things being equal, stars draw fans. Peterson is a perceived star, and people will pay to see him play, even if the Vikings are losing. Taylor is a nice RB, but without the star quality that drives ticket sales.

At the end of the day, money talks, and bull#### walks. Peterson will be the feature back, getting most of the 1st and 2nd down carries, and the highlight TDs.

 

[Raider Nation]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+ yards.

In 2003, Travis Henry had 1,514 total yards and 11 TDs.In April of 2004, Willis McGahee took over and ran for 1128 yards, compared to 326 for Henry.Peterson >>> McGahee Henry >>>>> TaylorI could find another 400 examples of the better player getting the bulk of the playing time immediately if I had the time.

 

[FFdork]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

Really? So Moss and Fletcher had exactly the same skill sets and talent levels as Taylor and Peterson, correct? They were running the exact same offense, right? I assume you verified that, as offensive coordinator, Childress had the final say on how those backs were used. I assume you also personally verified with Childress that nothing about his coaching philosophy has changed in the last 13 years. I can only assume all of this because you do make the emphatic statement "if you don't (note: apostrophe added) think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, you're (note: correct contraction of you are added) just wrong."I hate to pile on, but I clicked on this thread because I hadn't had my morning coffee yet and I missed the tell-tale sings of the overly bold prediction thread title and thought there might be some good info here.

 

[Christo]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

Didn't Addai end up being a low RB1 or high RB2 in just about every scoring system last year?

 

[DoubleG]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+ yards.

In 2003, Travis Henry had 1,514 total yards and 11 TDs.In April of 2004, Willis McGahee took over and ran for 1128 yards, compared to 326 for Henry.Peterson >>> McGahee Henry >>>>> TaylorI could find another 400 examples of the better player getting the bulk of the playing time immediately if I had the time.

Wow, we do have short memories don't we? Over the first 5 weeks of the 2004 season Henry had 80 carries to McGahee's 19. It was only after Henry hurt his foot and was out that McGahee took the job. So yes, if Chester Taylor sprains his foot in game 5, AP will be a stud. If AP get's hurt, Taylor will be a solid RB1 (as he was last year). Incidentally, while you quoted my three points you left out the part where I allow for AP to SLOWLY take over the job by the end of the year (barring the type of injury situation you illustrated with Henry and McGahee). I'll say it again: if people draft AP to help them in the second half or in the FF playoffs, they'll be fine. If they draft AP to be a starting RB1 by week 3, imho, they're going to be disappointed.

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one. If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again. People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college! So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

 

[freeannyong]

You guys need to cool your man love for Peterson. I would expect this situation to be exactly the same as the Colts last year.

Didn't Addai end up being a low RB1 or high RB2 in just about every scoring system last year?

Yes but that was due to the Eagles game. He had 7 games under 8 points. I'm not comfortable with that sort of inconsistency. Plus comparing the running back on the Colts to the Vikings is Apples to Oranges. Peyton Manning allowed Addai to almost always face 6 men fronts, while T. Jackson scares nobody. The Vikings won't have near as many scoring opportunities, thus limiting Peterson's chances.I was talking specifically the carries breakdown. There is NO way they bench Chester Taylor. He is an above average back, and with Peterson's health issue they would like to keep him fresh. Those of you expecting more carries than 7-13 a week will be very disappointed.

 

[Koya]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one. If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again. People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college! So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

 

[ctdub]

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

Peanuts

Peterson sighned a 6-yr 40 million dollar deal. Peterson is getting paid nearly twice as much a year as Chester.

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

 

[shadyridr]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

 

[steelcityman]

Vikings can be a much better team with a much better RB. Taylor couldnt play in Baltimore, has a good year last year because no one else could run the ball there and Minn has reason for drafting APete with the 7th pick overall. My fears for APete are shoulder and weak passing game. If both improve as season goes on, and realism exists in Minn, then APete should be ROY, over 1000 and near 10 TDs.

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

:X I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

I'm sorry for your loss.

 

[ctdub]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

:X I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

500-600 yards and 5 tds??? I'm assuming you are predicting a season ending injury after week 7? Double those predictions and that will be close. A delerious Taylor owner.

 

[shadyridr]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

I'm sorry for your loss.

600 yards over a 16 game season is 37 yards per game which is 7 to 9 carries per game.

 

[ctdub]

My Red Dog franchise (16 tm dynasty IDP) QB - Drew Brees, Chris Simms, Tyler PalkoRB - Laurence Maroney, Chester Taylor, Dominic Rhodes, Kenny Irons, Brian Leonard, Kenneth DarbyWR - Donte Stallworth, Muhsin Muhammed, Michael Jenkins, Robert Meachem, Terrance Copper, Ernest Wilford, Brian Clark, Courtney Taylor, Adam Jennings, Taylor Jacobs, John BroussardTE - Todd Heap, Ben Troupe, Dan CampbellDT - Tommy Kelly, Marcus StroudDE - Aaron Schobel, Dwight Freeney, Bryan Thomas, Robert Geathers, Justin Tuck, Reggie Hayward, Stanley McCloverLB - Kirk Morrison, EJ Henderson, Stephen Tulloch, Freddie Keiaho, David Thornton, Naploeon Harris, Brady Poppinga, Justin DurantCB - Shawntae Spencer, Marlin Jackson, Nathan Vasher, Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Williams, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Daymeion Hughes, Kelvin Hayden, Travis McDanielsS - Stuart Schweigert, Jarrad Page, Brodney Pool, Will Allen, Brannon Condren, Marquand ManuelK - Rian Lindell, Mason Crosby

Unless this is a start 1 RB league you can at least look forward to the number 1 pick in 2008.

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

500-600 yards and 5 tds??? I'm assuming you are predicting a season ending injury after week 7? Double those predictions and that will be close. A delerious Taylor owner.

Go visist the DW threads and learn some history.

Unfortunately we had our draft before the NFL draft. But I'm not concerned with Taylor since he's buried on my bench. I'm being realistic.

Taylor will get his though. And if you expect 1200 yds from AP THIS year without an injury to Taylor...that doesn't even merit a response. In that case, I assume you expect the lowly Vikings to have over 2000 yards rushing as a team?!?!

Good one.