A. Peterson v. C. Taylor - Do you want to know how Childress will use (1 Viewer)

[greedygoat]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

You are psychotic if you think he will only get 500-600 yds.

I'm sorry for your loss.

600 yards over a 16 game season is 37 yards per game which is 7 to 9 carries per game.

Don't waste your time with Warpig, he is obviously biased, he's got Chester Taylor is on his roster in his sig.

 

[Warpig]

My Red Dog franchise (16 tm dynasty IDP) QB - Drew Brees, Chris Simms, Tyler PalkoRB - Laurence Maroney, Chester Taylor, Dominic Rhodes, Kenny Irons, Brian Leonard, Kenneth DarbyWR - Donte Stallworth, Muhsin Muhammed, Michael Jenkins, Robert Meachem, Terrance Copper, Ernest Wilford, Brian Clark, Courtney Taylor, Adam Jennings, Taylor Jacobs, John BroussardTE - Todd Heap, Ben Troupe, Dan CampbellDT - Tommy Kelly, Marcus StroudDE - Aaron Schobel, Dwight Freeney, Bryan Thomas, Robert Geathers, Justin Tuck, Reggie Hayward, Stanley McCloverLB - Kirk Morrison, EJ Henderson, Stephen Tulloch, Freddie Keiaho, David Thornton, Naploeon Harris, Brady Poppinga, Justin DurantCB - Shawntae Spencer, Marlin Jackson, Nathan Vasher, Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Williams, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Daymeion Hughes, Kelvin Hayden, Travis McDanielsS - Stuart Schweigert, Jarrad Page, Brodney Pool, Will Allen, Brannon Condren, Marquand ManuelK - Rian Lindell, Mason CrosbyUnless this is a start 1 RB league you can at least look forward to the number 1 pick in 2008.

Some people never learn. Let me know when you have an opening in one of your leagues! I could use some easy money.

 

[Koya]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

Um, perhaps you misunderstood my question.Or maybe you can't handle the truth...

I am not talking about us idiots on a message board, most of whom (including myself) have strong biases, especially in regard to guys we have on our rosters. :achem:

I am talking about the CONSENSUS (if not near unanimity) of the pro scouts and NFL TEAMS.

So once again, I will ask: When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

NOT A FANTASY DRAFT, THE REAL FREAKIN' DRAFT. That should tell you something about their "expected" production. Does not always equate, but you can not compare D. Williams last year as a late first rounder with some questions to A Pete who was the top RB taken, a top 2-3 talent in the draft and physically perhaps the best RB to come out since LT2 as judged not by us, the wanna be experts, but the guys who do this for a living... scouts and NFL teams.

So please, it is obvious you have an axe to grind here but please try to answer my questions.

 

[OU#1]

Barring Injury I think AD is a lock for 1200 total yards and 10 TDs. But I'm no expert so why don't we all just wait and see how things pan out?

MIN certainly didn't draft the #1 RB to ride the pine or be a changeup...

It's been said many times before but you can't leave that kind of talent on the bench. They would be better off lining AD up in the slot and using him as a WR than him riding the pine. I guess the same arguement could be said for Chester, but it's pretty obvious to me who has more talent between AD and CT.

50/50 Split in Week 1 is a reasonable assumption. After the first game or two, assuming AD is healthy, I won't be surprised to see 60/40, then 70/30, and so on until AD is the clear cut starter and CT is the backup. At that point don't plan on CT doing much unless AD has a string of bad games or gets hurt.

Let's not forget AD is a rookie and history has shown that rookies normally don't blow up. LT had something like 1200/10 in his rookie year and I expect the same for AD.

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

Um, perhaps you misunderstood my question.Or maybe you can't handle the truth...

I am not talking about us idiots on a message board, most of whom (including myself) have strong biases, especially in regard to guys we have on our rosters. :achem:

I am talking about the CONSENSUS (if not near unanimity) of the pro scouts and NFL TEAMS.

So once again, I will ask: When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

NOT A FANTASY DRAFT, THE REAL FREAKIN' DRAFT. That should tell you something about their "expected" production. Does not always equate, but you can not compare D. Williams last year as a late first rounder with some questions to A Pete who was the top RB taken, a top 2-3 talent in the draft and physically perhaps the best RB to come out since LT2 as judged not by us, the wanna be experts, but the guys who do this for a living... scouts and NFL teams.

So please, it is obvious you have an axe to grind here but please try to answer my questions.

No axe to grind. I didn't get to see much of AP in college. I'm not an AP hater at all! I like to see the rooks do well. So to answer your question, yes, he was hyped more than any other player coming out of the draft. I'm not denying his talent (from what I've heard and little I've seen). I'm not denying that he has the talent to make Taylor totally insignificant.

My point is that due to his one dimensional offense, delusional head coach, and another "capable" back to share carries with (also Mewelde Moore), to expect him to have 1200 and double digit TD's without also predicting an injury to Taylor is almost absurd.

Also, AP DOES have injury concerns to live down. Coaches may not want to put him in in certain situations. Do I think he'll be the head dog towards the end of the season? Sure. But, keep in mind that he's not on a high powered offense like the Colts (Addai) to open up huge lanes for him. He's gonna take a beating this year. Addai didn't have to worry about 8 or 9 guys in the box.

*note*

I threw in a comparison to Addai since that is the kind of numbers people are expecting from AP this year.

 

[ctdub]

My Red Dog franchise (16 tm dynasty IDP) QB - Drew Brees, Chris Simms, Tyler PalkoRB - Laurence Maroney, Chester Taylor, Dominic Rhodes, Kenny Irons, Brian Leonard, Kenneth DarbyWR - Donte Stallworth, Muhsin Muhammed, Michael Jenkins, Robert Meachem, Terrance Copper, Ernest Wilford, Brian Clark, Courtney Taylor, Adam Jennings, Taylor Jacobs, John BroussardTE - Todd Heap, Ben Troupe, Dan CampbellDT - Tommy Kelly, Marcus StroudDE - Aaron Schobel, Dwight Freeney, Bryan Thomas, Robert Geathers, Justin Tuck, Reggie Hayward, Stanley McCloverLB - Kirk Morrison, EJ Henderson, Stephen Tulloch, Freddie Keiaho, David Thornton, Naploeon Harris, Brady Poppinga, Justin DurantCB - Shawntae Spencer, Marlin Jackson, Nathan Vasher, Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Williams, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Daymeion Hughes, Kelvin Hayden, Travis McDanielsS - Stuart Schweigert, Jarrad Page, Brodney Pool, Will Allen, Brannon Condren, Marquand ManuelK - Rian Lindell, Mason CrosbyUnless this is a start 1 RB league you can at least look forward to the number 1 pick in 2008.

Some people never learn. Let me know when you have an opening in one of your leagues! I could use some easy money.

Is that the ffb equivalent to my dad can beat up your dad?1. AD will end the year with more carries, yards and td's than Taylor. 2. Tayor will end the year with more receptions and fumbles. Mark it down. My work is done here. Peace out!!

 

[shadyridr]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

Um, perhaps you misunderstood my question.Or maybe you can't handle the truth...

I am not talking about us idiots on a message board, most of whom (including myself) have strong biases, especially in regard to guys we have on our rosters. :achem:

I am talking about the CONSENSUS (if not near unanimity) of the pro scouts and NFL TEAMS.

So once again, I will ask: When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

NOT A FANTASY DRAFT, THE REAL FREAKIN' DRAFT. That should tell you something about their "expected" production. Does not always equate, but you can not compare D. Williams last year as a late first rounder with some questions to A Pete who was the top RB taken, a top 2-3 talent in the draft and physically perhaps the best RB to come out since LT2 as judged not by us, the wanna be experts, but the guys who do this for a living... scouts and NFL teams.

So please, it is obvious you have an axe to grind here but please try to answer my questions.

No axe to grind. I didn't get to see much of AP in college. I'm not an AP hater at all! I like to see the rooks do well. So to answer your question, yes, he was hyped more than any other player coming out of the draft. I'm not denying his talent (from what I've heard and little I've seen). I'm not denying that he has the talent to make Taylor totally insignificant.

My point is that due to his one dimensional offense, delusional head coach, and another "capable" back to share carries with (also Mewelde Moore), to expect him to have 1200 and double digit TD's without also predicting an injury to Taylor is almost absurd.

Also, AP DOES have injury concerns to live down. Coaches may not want to put him in in certain situations. Do I think he'll be the head dog towards the end of the season? Sure. But, keep in mind that he's not on a high powered offense like the Colts (Addai) to open up huge lanes for him. He's gonna take a beating this year. Addai didn't have to worry about 8 or 9 guys in the box.

*note*

I threw in a comparison to Addai since that is the kind of numbers people are expecting from AP this year.

You still confidant on 7-9 carries a game? And then you said you expect Adrian to be lead dog by the end of the season. So assuming 15 carries a game at the end of the season he will get 3-5 during the beginning? Now do you see whos more delusional?

 

[Warpig]

Look, while I certainly believe that AP has superior talent to Chester Taylor and will someday be the starter, let's all remember a few things:

1) Chester Taylor is in the 2nd year of a 4 year $14.1 million deal - with over $5 million of it guaranteed.

2) Chester Taylor rushed for more yards last year than Travis Henry, Thomas Jones, Edge, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, and many others.

3) Chester Taylor finished 9th in rushing yards in the NFL with 1,200+

My point is simply that many AP owners are thinking AP will be the man by game 3 - I think that's wishful thinking. I see this looking more like a Cedric Benson/Thomas Jones similar from last year than an "AP is AD by game 3" one.

If you stashed AP away on your roster to help late in the season or in the playoffs, I think you'll be fine. If you expect him to start winning games for you in week 3 or 4

I'm thinking this is the whole DeAngelo Williams vs. DeShaun Foster thread all over again.

People were saying how DeAngelo Williams could be compared to LT coming out of college!

So I'm sure they are thinking that AP is Christ Almighty incarnate.

When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

I'm sure if you talked to the people that have DW on their rosters, then yes...they considered him one of the best RB's, IF NOT THE BEST RB in that draft class! Go do a search on DW and you'll find countless threads of people saying how great he is and he'll have Foster's job at the start of the season. I'm just saying all these AP worshippers need to curb their enthusiasm. Admit that you probably reached for him in your redraft league. If you have him in a dynasty...then that is fine. I wouldn't expect much out of him this year. Anything over 500 - 600 yards and 5 or so TD's should be considered a bonus!

Um, perhaps you misunderstood my question.Or maybe you can't handle the truth...

I am not talking about us idiots on a message board, most of whom (including myself) have strong biases, especially in regard to guys we have on our rosters. :achem:

I am talking about the CONSENSUS (if not near unanimity) of the pro scouts and NFL TEAMS.

So once again, I will ask: When was Williams drafted compared to A Pete? Was he a top 10 pick? Was he considered one of the 2-3 most talented players in the draft? Was he the first RB taken and without question the best RB in the draft?

NOT A FANTASY DRAFT, THE REAL FREAKIN' DRAFT. That should tell you something about their "expected" production. Does not always equate, but you can not compare D. Williams last year as a late first rounder with some questions to A Pete who was the top RB taken, a top 2-3 talent in the draft and physically perhaps the best RB to come out since LT2 as judged not by us, the wanna be experts, but the guys who do this for a living... scouts and NFL teams.

So please, it is obvious you have an axe to grind here but please try to answer my questions.

No axe to grind. I didn't get to see much of AP in college. I'm not an AP hater at all! I like to see the rooks do well. So to answer your question, yes, he was hyped more than any other player coming out of the draft. I'm not denying his talent (from what I've heard and little I've seen). I'm not denying that he has the talent to make Taylor totally insignificant.

My point is that due to his one dimensional offense, delusional head coach, and another "capable" back to share carries with (also Mewelde Moore), to expect him to have 1200 and double digit TD's without also predicting an injury to Taylor is almost absurd.

Also, AP DOES have injury concerns to live down. Coaches may not want to put him in in certain situations. Do I think he'll be the head dog towards the end of the season? Sure. But, keep in mind that he's not on a high powered offense like the Colts (Addai) to open up huge lanes for him. He's gonna take a beating this year. Addai didn't have to worry about 8 or 9 guys in the box.

*note*

I threw in a comparison to Addai since that is the kind of numbers people are expecting from AP this year.

You still confidant on 7-9 carries a game? And then you said you expect Adrian to be lead dog by the end of the season. So assuming 15 carries a game at the end of the season he will get 3-5 during the beginning? Now do you see whos more delusional?

Lead dog while still in a RBBC. What's so hard to understand about that? It just means that he''l go from getting 30 - 40% of the carries to 50 - 60%. Isn't Mewelde still the 3rd down back?

 

[Raider Nation]

Brad Childress, Now coach, then the Offensive CoordinatorDarrell Bevel,now Off Coord, then the Starting QBYes, it is the 94 Badgers all over againInstead of Brent Moss (main carrier) and Terrell Fletcher (3rd down, change of pace)It is Chester Taylor and A PetersonIf you dont think that Childress wants to re-create the 94 Badgers, your just wrong.Moss/Fletcher = Taylor/Peterson

POTY!

 

[encaitar]

My Red Dog franchise (16 tm dynasty IDP) QB - Drew Brees, Chris Simms, Tyler PalkoRB - Laurence Maroney, Chester Taylor, Dominic Rhodes, Kenny Irons, Brian Leonard, Kenneth DarbyWR - Donte Stallworth, Muhsin Muhammed, Michael Jenkins, Robert Meachem, Terrance Copper, Ernest Wilford, Brian Clark, Courtney Taylor, Adam Jennings, Taylor Jacobs, John BroussardTE - Todd Heap, Ben Troupe, Dan CampbellDT - Tommy Kelly, Marcus StroudDE - Aaron Schobel, Dwight Freeney, Bryan Thomas, Robert Geathers, Justin Tuck, Reggie Hayward, Stanley McCloverLB - Kirk Morrison, EJ Henderson, Stephen Tulloch, Freddie Keiaho, David Thornton, Naploeon Harris, Brady Poppinga, Justin DurantCB - Shawntae Spencer, Marlin Jackson, Nathan Vasher, Dominique Foxworth, Jimmy Williams, Marcus McCauley, Leon Hall, Daymeion Hughes, Kelvin Hayden, Travis McDanielsS - Stuart Schweigert, Jarrad Page, Brodney Pool, Will Allen, Brannon Condren, Marquand ManuelK - Rian Lindell, Mason CrosbyUnless this is a start 1 RB league you can at least look forward to the number 1 pick in 2008.

Some people never learn. Let me know when you have an opening in one of your leagues! I could use some easy money.

Is that the ffb equivalent to my dad can beat up your dad?1. AD will end the year with more carries, yards and td's than Taylor. 2. Tayor will end the year with more receptions and fumbles. Mark it down. My work is done here. Peace out!!

Wow, hopefully you made some good trades because ctdub is looking like a prophet!