A RBBC In Miami? (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

I think it'll be pretty close to a split as well. If Brown gets 60/40, I'd consider it a big-time success coming off the ACL.

 

[loose circuits]

the whole article is a worthy read

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content...de_the_dolphins

 

[Football Jones]

If Ronnie comes back to near 100%, & it looks good so far, he'll have a huge season, IMO. Their OL really started coming on & will only get better under this regime. The one guy I thought could take some FF points away from Brown has been traded (Booker). Ronnie is going to have a ton of catches in that offense along with plenty of yards & TDs. I do expect RW to get some touches, tho.

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[az_prof]

Coming off ACL no one expects Brown to get all the carries. The question will be the ratio and his health and how long Ricky can stay away from the Mary Jane. I would expect a larger ratio going to RW early in the year and less later in the year.

 

[RoyDubb]

If Ronnie comes back to near 100%, & it looks good so far, he'll have a huge season, IMO. Their OL really started coming on & will only get better under this regime. The one guy I thought could take some FF points away from Brown has been traded (Booker). Ronnie is going to have a ton of catches in that offense along with plenty of yards & TDs. I do expect RW to get some touches, tho.

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not sure if anybody has had a HUGE season 1 year removed from ACL injury.

 

[Football Jones]

I just think the fact they're depending on RW to be the backup, didn't draft a RB until late, traded Booker, hasn't brought in KJ or SA, speaks volumes. Parcells & company must be sold on Brown. I have absolutely no doubt he'll have a big season if healthy.

 

[packersfan]

I just think the fact they're depending on RW to be the backup, didn't draft a RB until late, traded Booker, hasn't brought in KJ or SA, speaks volumes. Parcells & company must be sold on Brown.

Or maybe they're sold on both Brown and Williams together and perhaps they believe that if Brown gets hurt again Williams will deliver as the starter so there's no need to bring in someone like Jones or Alexander or keep Booker (who may not be a starter anyway) around.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Brown & Williams - now with 60% more flavor, and less tar!

Does anyone else think that Ricky in a RBBC means that Ricky is the goalline back?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If Ronnie comes back to near 100%, & it looks good so far, he'll have a huge season, IMO. Their OL really started coming on & will only get better under this regime. The one guy I thought could take some FF points away from Brown has been traded (Booker). Ronnie is going to have a ton of catches in that offense along with plenty of yards & TDs. I do expect RW to get some touches, tho.

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Planning a pump and dump ?I don't believe any of this.

The Dolphins would be foolish to do anything but

bring RB along slowly. The presence of Ricky will

help Miami accomplish just that.

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[Craig_MiamiFL]

Brown & Williams - now with 60% more flavor, and less tar!Does anyone else think that Ricky in a RBBC means that Ricky is the goalline back?

I don't know how it'll pan out as far as that's concerned, but if RW does not screw up before the season starts (always possible), there's going to be a carry split (And I think it'll be closer to 50/50 than 70/30 Brown). In addition, there's no reason to doubt what Parcells has told Ricky himself already. If he didn't have plans for Ricky, he would have dumped him point blank.There are people out there that expect Ronnie to produce at the level of last year. They are out there. Whether you'll see them say such here is a different story. It's not happening in 2008. Put down the pipe. I expect them to be used no differently carry-wise than Julius/Barber.

 

[mdog1967]

I just think the fact they're depending on RW to be the backup, didn't draft a RB until late, traded Booker, hasn't brought in KJ or SA, speaks volumes. Parcells & company must be sold on Brown.

Or maybe they're sold on both Brown and Williams together and perhaps they believe that if Brown gets hurt again Williams will deliver as the starter so there's no need to bring in someone like Jones or Alexander or keep Booker (who may not be a starter anyway) around.

Ricky who? We are talking about the 30 year old pot smoker right? That Ricky Williams. I commend you for holding on to him forever in your dynasty league. Its over RW is done.

 

[Wildman]

Still a believer in RW. He's one of those players worthy of a an exception if you keep your expectations low in terms of where you'll select him:

1. He messed up repeatedly, but eventually fessed up as to why and addressed the issues.

2. Just about every coach that worked with him calls him one of the smartest players they've ever coached

3. He loved the game of football, but was freaked out about stuff off the field that often comes with the profession.

4. He's never had a major injury involving his legs or knees.

5. Parcells would make it a point to refute Williams if the RB were speaking out of turn.

6. As mentioned before, name a back with a huge season a year after an ACL tear. McAllister had about 1100 yards when Bush was a rookie and James had a 1000-yard season . Otherwise, I can't think of other backs.

If Brown has 1000 yards it will be considered a great success. If Ricky stays healthy (emotionally and physically) he has the skills to be a 1200-yard back if it all comes together for him. I realize that's a an ideal number. I think a realistic one is 700-1000 for a good year and 500-700 for where most will project him at best because they'll be stuck on drafting brown in rounds 1-3, which I think is not very good value. If Williams looks good, the 'Phins will have no problem easing Brown along slowly. I'd gladly draft Williams late, which I think is likely for him to land as long as the hype machine doesn't go into overdrive. If it does, hopefully Brown falls far enough that his value makes him a worthwhile as a 3rd RB at best, but I doubt he drops that far unless he experiences typical swelling or muscle pull complications that happens during the return year...

 

[mdog1967]

Still a believer in RW. He's one of those players worthy of a an exception if you keep your expectations low in terms of where you'll select him: 1. He messed up repeatedly, but eventually fessed up as to why and addressed the issues. 2. Just about every coach that worked with him calls him one of the smartest players they've ever coached3. He loved the game of football, but was freaked out about stuff off the field that often comes with the profession. 4. He's never had a major injury involving his legs or knees. 5. Parcells would make it a point to refute Williams if the RB were speaking out of turn. 6. As mentioned before, name a back with a huge season a year after an ACL tear. McAllister had about 1100 yards when Bush was a rookie and James had a 1000-yard season . Otherwise, I can't think of other backs. If Brown has 1000 yards it will be considered a great success. If Ricky stays healthy (emotionally and physically) he has the skills to be a 1200-yard back if it all comes together for him. I realize that's a an ideal number. I think a realistic one is 700-1000 for a good year and 500-700 for where most will project him at best because they'll be stuck on drafting brown in rounds 1-3, which I think is not very good value. If Williams looks good, the 'Phins will have no problem easing Brown along slowly. I'd gladly draft Williams late, which I think is likely for him to land as long as the hype machine doesn't go into overdrive. If it does, hopefully Brown falls far enough that his value makes him a worthwhile as a 3rd RB at best, but I doubt he drops that far unless he experiences typical swelling or muscle pull complications that happens during the return year...

I never argue with Wildman, ever.

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Shark move is to grab Parmele late

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Still a believer in RW. He's one of those players worthy of a an exception if you keep your expectations low in terms of where you'll select him:

1. He messed up repeatedly, but eventually fessed up as to why and addressed the issues.

3. He loved the game of football, but was freaked out about stuff off the field that often comes with the profession.

Those are great reasons and make a great story but he used those the first time he was out of football. What makes you believe them now?

 

[Dirty Weasel]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

Agreed. Parcells may say he is a fan of RBBC, but 19 years worth of stats don't lie. Julius Jones had 267 and 257 carries in Bill's last 2 seasons with Dallas. That's a pretty high amount when you have Marion Barber only getting 135 and 138 carries during that span. Bill has coached a 300+ carry RB in 9 of his 19 seasons. Hell, he even gave Troy Hambrick 275 carries in his first season with Dallas. Bill had only 5 seasons where the top dog had less than 250 carries:1983 - 246 carries for Butch Woolfolk, 170 for Rob Carpenter

1987 - 193 carries for Joe Morris, but only 61 carries for George Adams

1990 - 225 carries for Ottis Anderson, 109 for Rodney Hampton

1994 - 243 carries for Marion Butts, 102 for Leroy Thompson

2004 - 197 carries for Julius Jones, 132 for Eddie George

Bill Parcells' RB1's have averaged 286 carries, while his RB2's have averaged 88 carries. That's a 76/24 split. I'd say 286 carries qualifies as a workhorse, not a RBBC.

 

[AussieOyOyOy]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

Agreed. Parcells may say he is a fan of RBBC, but 19 years worth of stats don't lie. Julius Jones had 267 and 257 carries in Bill's last 2 seasons with Dallas. That's a pretty high amount when you have Marion Barber only getting 135 and 138 carries during that span. Bill has coached a 300+ carry RB in 9 of his 19 seasons. Hell, he even gave Troy Hambrick 275 carries in his first season with Dallas. Bill had only 5 seasons where the top dog had less than 250 carries:1983 - 246 carries for Butch Woolfolk, 170 for Rob Carpenter

1987 - 193 carries for Joe Morris, but only 61 carries for George Adams

1990 - 225 carries for Ottis Anderson, 109 for Rodney Hampton

1994 - 243 carries for Marion Butts, 102 for Leroy Thompson

2004 - 197 carries for Julius Jones, 132 for Eddie George

Bill Parcells' RB1's have averaged 286 carries, while his RB2's have averaged 88 carries. That's a 76/24 split. I'd say 286 carries qualifies as a workhorse, not a RBBC.

Parcells never said anything of the sort. Some idiot writer conjectured such a thing.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

Finally some sense in this thread. Parcells isn't a RBBC guy. Geez. He traded to get his workhorse when he left to coach another team. Too many Ricky Williams fans in here.

 

[packersfan]

I just think the fact they're depending on RW to be the backup, didn't draft a RB until late, traded Booker, hasn't brought in KJ or SA, speaks volumes. Parcells & company must be sold on Brown.

Or maybe they're sold on both Brown and Williams together and perhaps they believe that if Brown gets hurt again Williams will deliver as the starter so there's no need to bring in someone like Jones or Alexander or keep Booker (who may not be a starter anyway) around.

Ricky who? We are talking about the 30 year old pot smoker right? That Ricky Williams. I commend you for holding on to him forever in your dynasty league. Its over RW is done.

I don't own either RB and I have no vested interest in either one. I'm just trying to assess the situation going into next season.

 

[=Smackdown=]

Shark move is to grab Parmele late

THERE is your big bruising goal line back.

 

[Football Jones]

This isn't set up to be a RBBC. I think that was evident when they traded Booker, who would've been a "typical" perfect complimentary back. No highly ranked rookie RB taken, no KJ or SA, just RW & Parmele. Also, like a few have stated, Parcells has a history of featuring a stud. If healthy, Brown is that guy. Sometimes the writing on the wall is very clear.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Shark move is to grab Parmele late

Maybe if your league gives points for a blocking FB.

 

[Moniker]

This isn't set up to be a RBBC. I think that was evident when they traded Booker, who would've been a "typical" perfect complimentary back. No highly ranked rookie RB taken, no KJ or SA, just RW & Parmele. Also, like a few have stated, Parcells has a history of featuring a stud. If healthy, Brown is that guy. Sometimes the writing on the wall is very clear.

You do know that his ACL happened in week 7 last year, right?There is no way Brown is fully recovered by the start of the season.

 

[TheFanatic]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

Agreed. Parcells may say he is a fan of RBBC, but 19 years worth of stats don't lie. Julius Jones had 267 and 257 carries in Bill's last 2 seasons with Dallas. That's a pretty high amount when you have Marion Barber only getting 135 and 138 carries during that span. Bill has coached a 300+ carry RB in 9 of his 19 seasons. Hell, he even gave Troy Hambrick 275 carries in his first season with Dallas. Bill had only 5 seasons where the top dog had less than 250 carries:1983 - 246 carries for Butch Woolfolk, 170 for Rob Carpenter

1987 - 193 carries for Joe Morris, but only 61 carries for George Adams

1990 - 225 carries for Ottis Anderson, 109 for Rodney Hampton

1994 - 243 carries for Marion Butts, 102 for Leroy Thompson

2004 - 197 carries for Julius Jones, 132 for Eddie George

Bill Parcells' RB1's have averaged 286 carries, while his RB2's have averaged 88 carries. That's a 76/24 split. I'd say 286 carries qualifies as a workhorse, not a RBBC.

Uh, everyone knows that Tuna is not the coach of the Dolphins right? Sparano is the coach. Tuna will not be calling plays on Sundays or managing practice during the week. Sparano does have a significant history of RBBC. He had his greatest success as an assistant on a team that used a RBBC approach. For those of you pimping the fact that they traded booker, did not draft a RB and haven't brought in any of the FA's as faith in RB, you have to realize that the faith they have may just be in RW. How many months removed is RB from the blown knee? I can't recall anyone having a great year the year after an ACL injury. Edge had a decent year and Jamal Anderson had a biscuit over 1K yards (and was pretty much out of football after that).

RB will not come out of the shoot shouldering most of the load. He might by the end of the season, but to start the season RW is going to be the guy for no other reason than they have nobody else but a guy rehabbing a blown knee. Rushing that injury back is career suicide. They will tell RB to take his time while they run RW into the ground and get whatever they can out of him before discarding him and go forward with RB...

 

[Football Jones]

This isn't set up to be a RBBC. I think that was evident when they traded Booker, who would've been a "typical" perfect complimentary back. No highly ranked rookie RB taken, no KJ or SA, just RW & Parmele. Also, like a few have stated, Parcells has a history of featuring a stud. If healthy, Brown is that guy. Sometimes the writing on the wall is very clear.

You do know that his ACL happened in week 7 last year, right?There is no way Brown is fully recovered by the start of the season.

Easing him into the season & RBBC are two different things. It'll be interesting to see what he does in preseason. How far he's along. Supposedly, his recovery is going well (no links). There's 16 games & by year's end, Ronnie will be thought of as a top FF RB, IMO. That said, I'm looking at this thing thru dynasty eyes. I'll need more info before deciding his value in a redraft, but as I've stated, if he's back to near 100%, I expect a big season.

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[ConstruxBoy]

An interesting sidebar here: what is everyone's definition of RBBC? As teams have started using more RBs over the past several years, I've changed my definition from no RB with 70% of the touches down to 65% of the touches. In this situation in MIA, I expect Brown to have > 65% of the total MIA RB touches, so I don't think it will be accurately described as RBBC.

What are other people's definition?

 

[switz]

that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

OK, so I'm not exactly the hugest Ricky Williams believer, so take this argument out of the Ricky/Ronnie debate. Miami sucks, so who cares about them.As for Parcells though - exactly when did he ride a workhorse back?NYG? No - he had a committee.NE? - 2 years he rode CMart, but otherwise committeeNYJ - he rode Cmart, but they had no other backsDAL - committeeThere's only one team he coached that he never had a committee for, and that was the Jets, who had no other RBs. Murrell the one season, and then they got Martin. The larger part of history says he's a committee guy, even in cases where he had a workhorse type RB on the team, if there was another player that added something he would use him.

 

[switz]

Agreed. Parcells may say he is a fan of RBBC, but 19 years worth of stats don't lie. Julius Jones had 267 and 257 carries in Bill's last 2 seasons with Dallas. That's a pretty high amount when you have Marion Barber only getting 135 and 138 carries during that span. Bill has coached a 300+ carry RB in 9 of his 19 seasons. Hell, he even gave Troy Hambrick 275 carries in his first season with Dallas. Bill had only 5 seasons where the top dog had less than 250 carries:1983 - 246 carries for Butch Woolfolk, 170 for Rob Carpenter1987 - 193 carries for Joe Morris, but only 61 carries for George Adams1990 - 225 carries for Ottis Anderson, 109 for Rodney Hampton1994 - 243 carries for Marion Butts, 102 for Leroy Thompson2004 - 197 carries for Julius Jones, 132 for Eddie GeorgeBill Parcells' RB1's have averaged 286 carries, while his RB2's have averaged 88 carries. That's a 76/24 split. I'd say 286 carries qualifies as a workhorse, not a RBBC.

Cherry picking stats? Parcells has only coached 5 years? In less than half of his career as a coach, by your admission, has any of his RBs seen 300 carries. That doesn't scream workhorse back to me. BTW, 300 carries is 18 per game, not a ton.Even the stats you use for Jones/Barber - you realize that's a 66/34% split, right?

 

[Wildman]

Still a believer in RW. He's one of those players worthy of a an exception if you keep your expectations low in terms of where you'll select him: 1. He messed up repeatedly, but eventually fessed up as to why and addressed the issues. 2. Just about every coach that worked with him calls him one of the smartest players they've ever coached3. He loved the game of football, but was freaked out about stuff off the field that often comes with the profession. 4. He's never had a major injury involving his legs or knees. 5. Parcells would make it a point to refute Williams if the RB were speaking out of turn. 6. As mentioned before, name a back with a huge season a year after an ACL tear. McAllister had about 1100 yards when Bush was a rookie and James had a 1000-yard season . Otherwise, I can't think of other backs. If Brown has 1000 yards it will be considered a great success. If Ricky stays healthy (emotionally and physically) he has the skills to be a 1200-yard back if it all comes together for him. I realize that's a an ideal number. I think a realistic one is 700-1000 for a good year and 500-700 for where most will project him at best because they'll be stuck on drafting brown in rounds 1-3, which I think is not very good value. If Williams looks good, the 'Phins will have no problem easing Brown along slowly. I'd gladly draft Williams late, which I think is likely for him to land as long as the hype machine doesn't go into overdrive. If it does, hopefully Brown falls far enough that his value makes him a worthwhile as a 3rd RB at best, but I doubt he drops that far unless he experiences typical swelling or muscle pull complications that happens during the return year...

I never argue with Wildman, ever.LOL...if I'm wrong about McFadden (which can be added to a list of folks I've been wrong about), you better start

 

[=Smackdown=]

This isn't set up to be a RBBC. I think that was evident when they traded Booker, who would've been a "typical" perfect complimentary back. No highly ranked rookie RB taken, no KJ or SA, just RW & Parmele. Also, like a few have stated, Parcells has a history of featuring a stud. If healthy, Brown is that guy. Sometimes the writing on the wall is very clear.

You do know that his ACL happened in week 7 last year, right?There is no way Brown is fully recovered by the start of the season.

Easing him into the season & RBBC are two different things. It'll be interesting to see what he does in preseason. How far he's along. Supposedly, his recovery is going well (no links). There's 16 games & by year's end, Ronnie will be thought of as a top FF RB, IMO. That said, I'm looking at this thing thru dynasty eyes. I'll need more info before deciding his value in a redraft, but as I've stated, if he's back to near 100%, I expect a big season.

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Here's a link to an interview he did at the end of April. RB cliams to be at 80-85% recovered. His personal trainer is kind of hot too . . .

 

[Wildman]

I understand your frame of reference, if my login name at Football guys were BuckeyeArt I wouldn't believe anyone has "learned" their lesson either...

Hey, I'm willing to give it a last chance. Brown's ACL tear doesn't inspire confidence and picking Ricky late is a decent late round move.

 

[Horses Mouth]

Miami sucks, so who cares about them.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Miami sucks, so who cares about them.

You mean as opposed to the juggernaut that they were last year as of week 6, when Ronnie Brown led practically the entire fantasy world in points?

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Agreed. Parcells may say he is a fan of RBBC, but 19 years worth of stats don't lie. Julius Jones had 267 and 257 carries in Bill's last 2 seasons with Dallas. That's a pretty high amount when you have Marion Barber only getting 135 and 138 carries during that span. Bill has coached a 300+ carry RB in 9 of his 19 seasons. Hell, he even gave Troy Hambrick 275 carries in his first season with Dallas. Bill had only 5 seasons where the top dog had less than 250 carries:1983 - 246 carries for Butch Woolfolk, 170 for Rob Carpenter1987 - 193 carries for Joe Morris, but only 61 carries for George Adams1990 - 225 carries for Ottis Anderson, 109 for Rodney Hampton1994 - 243 carries for Marion Butts, 102 for Leroy Thompson2004 - 197 carries for Julius Jones, 132 for Eddie GeorgeBill Parcells' RB1's have averaged 286 carries, while his RB2's have averaged 88 carries. That's a 76/24 split. I'd say 286 carries qualifies as a workhorse, not a RBBC.

Cherry picking stats? Parcells has only coached 5 years? In less than half of his career as a coach, by your admission, has any of his RBs seen 300 carries. That doesn't scream workhorse back to me. BTW, 300 carries is 18 per game, not a ton.Even the stats you use for Jones/Barber - you realize that's a 66/34% split, right?

I wasn't cherry picking. Here are the facts:- Bill has coached for 19 seasons- In only 5 of those 19 seasons did RB1 not get 250+ carries- Bill's RB1 has averaged 286 carries- Bill's RB2 has averaged 88 carries- That is a 76/24% splitBy the way, you say that 300 carries is not a ton. Please give me your definition of a workhorse back, in terms of raw numbers. I guess my definition would be around 250 carries/300 touches, or perhaps a 70/30 split with RB2.

 

[fsufan]

Shark move is to grab Parmele late

or to stay away from this mess

 

[switz]

I wasn't cherry picking. Here are the facts:

- Bill has coached for 19 seasons

- In only 5 of those 19 seasons did RB1 not get 250+ carries

- Bill's RB1 has averaged 286 carries

- Bill's RB2 has averaged 88 carries

- That is a 76/24% split

By the way, you say that 300 carries is not a ton. Please give me your definition of a workhorse back, in terms of raw numbers. I guess my definition would be around 250 carries/300 touches, or perhaps a 70/30 split with RB2.

I tihnk you're averages are skewed by the few times Parcells used a workhorse:1983 NYG:

Butch Woolfolk 246 59%

Rob Carpenter 170 41%

1984 NYG:

Rob Carpenter 250 65%

Joe Morris 133 35%

1985 NYG:

Joe Morris* 294 61%

George Adams 128 27%

Rob Carpenter 60 12%

1986 NYG:

Joe Morris*+ 341 73%

Maurice Carthon 72 15%

Lee Rouson 54 12%

1987 NYG:

Joe Morris 193 65%

George Adams 61 21%

Lee Rouson 41 14%

-- plus there were 3 other RBs who had 80 carries among them which I did not consider in the %

1988 NYG:

Joe Morris 307 73%

Ottis Anderson 65 16%

Maurice Carthon 46 11%

1989 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 325 70%

Lewis Tillman 79 17%

Maurice Carthon 57 13%

1990 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 225 54%

Rodney Hampton 109 26%

Lewis Tillman 84 20%

1993 NE:

Leonard Russell 300 66%

Corey Croom 60 13%

Kevin Turner 50 11%

Sam Gash 24 48 10%

1994 NE:

Marion Butts 243 70%

Leroy Thompson 102 30%

1995 NE:

Curtis Martin* 368 86%

Dave Meggett 60 14%

1996 NE:

Curtis Martin* 316 83%

Dave Meggett* 40 10%

Marrio Grier 27 7%

1997 NYJ:

Adrian Murrell 300 86%

Leon Johnson 48 14%

1998 NYJ:

Curtis Martin* 369 82%

Leon Johnson 41 9%

Jerald Sowell 40 9%

1999 NYJ:

Curtis Martin 367 93%

Bernie Parmalee 27 7%

2003 DAL:

Troy Hambrick 275 80%

Richie Anderson 70 20%

three other RBs saw 87 carries combined which I did not consider in the %

2004 DAL:

Julius Jones 197 51%

Eddie George 132 34%

Richie Anderson 57 15%

ReShard Lee had 27 carries which I did not consider in the %

2005 DAL:

Julius Jones 257 58%

Marion Barber 138 31%

Tyson Thompson 46 11%

Anthony Thomas had 36 carries which I did not consider in the %

2006 DAL:

Julius Jones 267 66%

Marion Barber 135 34%

Like I said 9 out of 19 seasons Parcells was not using RBBC. Here's how I define RBBC, where any RB outside of the feature back receives at least 30% of the carries OR the primary RB receives less than 70% of the workload. RBBC isn't always just two RBs, sometimes there is a 65% RB than 2 or 3 that make up the 35%.

 

[gregjcross]

I am a long time Brown owner. Brown *needs* Ricky this year and its a positive in my book. Ricky is 30 he but should be able to handle the 10 carries they are giong to give him. If the Fins are doing really well, Ricky would get 15 carries I would bet. Ronnie needs to come back slowly and let Ricky take the load through the bye in week 4, then be ready to go fully in late Ocober.

Brown & Williams - now with 60% more flavor, and less tar!Does anyone else think that Ricky in a RBBC means that Ricky is the goalline back?

I don't know how it'll pan out as far as that's concerned, but if RW does not screw up before the season starts (always possible), there's going to be a carry split (And I think it'll be closer to 50/50 than 70/30 Brown). In addition, there's no reason to doubt what Parcells has told Ricky himself already. If he didn't have plans for Ricky, he would have dumped him point blank.There are people out there that expect Ronnie to produce at the level of last year. They are out there. Whether you'll see them say such here is a different story. It's not happening in 2008. Put down the pipe. I expect them to be used no differently carry-wise than Julius/Barber.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I wasn't cherry picking. Here are the facts:

- Bill has coached for 19 seasons

- In only 5 of those 19 seasons did RB1 not get 250+ carries

- Bill's RB1 has averaged 286 carries

- Bill's RB2 has averaged 88 carries

- That is a 76/24% split

By the way, you say that 300 carries is not a ton. Please give me your definition of a workhorse back, in terms of raw numbers. I guess my definition would be around 250 carries/300 touches, or perhaps a 70/30 split with RB2.

I tihnk you're averages are skewed by the few times Parcells used a workhorse:1983 NYG:

Butch Woolfolk 246 59%

Rob Carpenter 170 41%

1984 NYG:

Rob Carpenter 250 65%

Joe Morris 133 35%

1985 NYG:

Joe Morris* 294 61%

George Adams 128 27%

Rob Carpenter 60 12%

1986 NYG:

Joe Morris*+ 341 73%

Maurice Carthon 72 15%

Lee Rouson 54 12%

1987 NYG:

Joe Morris 193 65%

George Adams 61 21%

Lee Rouson 41 14%

-- plus there were 3 other RBs who had 80 carries among them which I did not consider in the %

1988 NYG:

Joe Morris 307 73%

Ottis Anderson 65 16%

Maurice Carthon 46 11%

1989 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 325 70%

Lewis Tillman 79 17%

Maurice Carthon 57 13%

1990 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 225 54%

Rodney Hampton 109 26%

Lewis Tillman 84 20%

1993 NE:

Leonard Russell 300 66%

Corey Croom 60 13%

Kevin Turner 50 11%

Sam Gash 24 48 10%

1994 NE:

Marion Butts 243 70%

Leroy Thompson 102 30%

1995 NE:

Curtis Martin* 368 86%

Dave Meggett 60 14%

1996 NE:

Curtis Martin* 316 83%

Dave Meggett* 40 10%

Marrio Grier 27 7%

1997 NYJ:

Adrian Murrell 300 86%

Leon Johnson 48 14%

1998 NYJ:

Curtis Martin* 369 82%

Leon Johnson 41 9%

Jerald Sowell 40 9%

1999 NYJ:

Curtis Martin 367 93%

Bernie Parmalee 27 7%

2003 DAL:

Troy Hambrick 275 80%

Richie Anderson 70 20%

three other RBs saw 87 carries combined which I did not consider in the %

2004 DAL:

Julius Jones 197 51%

Eddie George 132 34%

Richie Anderson 57 15%

ReShard Lee had 27 carries which I did not consider in the %

2005 DAL:

Julius Jones 257 58%

Marion Barber 138 31%

Tyson Thompson 46 11%

Anthony Thomas had 36 carries which I did not consider in the %

2006 DAL:

Julius Jones 267 66%

Marion Barber 135 34%

Like I said 9 out of 19 seasons Parcells was not using RBBC. Here's how I define RBBC, where any RB outside of the feature back receives at least 30% of the carries OR the primary RB receives less than 70% of the workload. RBBC isn't always just two RBs, sometimes there is a 65% RB than 2 or 3 that make up the 35%.

The only difference is our definition of a workhorse RB at this point. Without a doubt I would call 1985 and 1993 as workhorse seasons. Morris had 294 carries in 1985. Only 5 RB's had more carries that season, and yet you don't call him a workhorse? Leonard Russell had 300 carries in 1993. Only Thurman Thomas had more carries that season, and yet you don't call him a workhorse? What about Walter Payton in 1978? He had 333 carries, but his teammate had 240 carries. Does that mean Walter wasn't a workhorse that year either?

 

[TheFanatic]

I'll say it again. PARCELS IS NOT THE COACH OF THE DOLPHINS!!!

He's not calling the plays.

 

[switz]

The only difference is our definition of a workhorse RB at this point. Without a doubt I would call 1985 and 1993 as workhorse seasons. Morris had 294 carries in 1985. Only 5 RB's had more carries that season, and yet you don't call him a workhorse? Leonard Russell had 300 carries in 1993. Only Thurman Thomas had more carries that season, and yet you don't call him a workhorse? What about Walter Payton in 1978? He had 333 carries, but his teammate had 240 carries. Does that mean Walter wasn't a workhorse that year either?

Even if you use that argument, that means 1/2 the years that Parcell's coached, he used RBBC, the other half he had a workhorse.So then, when did he use a workhorse? Mostly when he didn't have much of an option. But look at all the times he had two decent RBs... he used them both. Look at the Dolphins this year, Brown and Williams both have workhorse potential, he'll use them both.P.S. Even if he's not the coach, he'll have his hands in there.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

I'll say it again. PARCELS IS NOT THE COACH OF THE DOLPHINS!!!He's not calling the plays.

:( Agreed. He isn't even the GM.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

I wasn't cherry picking. Here are the facts:

- Bill has coached for 19 seasons

- In only 5 of those 19 seasons did RB1 not get 250+ carries

- Bill's RB1 has averaged 286 carries

- Bill's RB2 has averaged 88 carries

- That is a 76/24% split

By the way, you say that 300 carries is not a ton. Please give me your definition of a workhorse back, in terms of raw numbers. I guess my definition would be around 250 carries/300 touches, or perhaps a 70/30 split with RB2.

I tihnk you're averages are skewed by the few times Parcells used a workhorse:1983 NYG:

Butch Woolfolk 246 59%

Rob Carpenter 170 41%

1984 NYG:

Rob Carpenter 250 65%

Joe Morris 133 35%

1985 NYG:

Joe Morris* 294 61%

George Adams 128 27%

Rob Carpenter 60 12%

1986 NYG:

Joe Morris*+ 341 73%

Maurice Carthon 72 15%

Lee Rouson 54 12%

1987 NYG:

Joe Morris 193 65%

George Adams 61 21%

Lee Rouson 41 14%

-- plus there were 3 other RBs who had 80 carries among them which I did not consider in the %

1988 NYG:

Joe Morris 307 73%

Ottis Anderson 65 16%

Maurice Carthon 46 11%

1989 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 325 70%

Lewis Tillman 79 17%

Maurice Carthon 57 13%

1990 NYG:

Ottis Anderson 225 54%

Rodney Hampton 109 26%

Lewis Tillman 84 20%

1993 NE:

Leonard Russell 300 66%

Corey Croom 60 13%

Kevin Turner 50 11%

Sam Gash 24 48 10%

1994 NE:

Marion Butts 243 70%

Leroy Thompson 102 30%

1995 NE:

Curtis Martin* 368 86%

Dave Meggett 60 14%

1996 NE:

Curtis Martin* 316 83%

Dave Meggett* 40 10%

Marrio Grier 27 7%

1997 NYJ:

Adrian Murrell 300 86%

Leon Johnson 48 14%

1998 NYJ:

Curtis Martin* 369 82%

Leon Johnson 41 9%

Jerald Sowell 40 9%

1999 NYJ:

Curtis Martin 367 93%

Bernie Parmalee 27 7%

2003 DAL:

Troy Hambrick 275 80%

Richie Anderson 70 20%

three other RBs saw 87 carries combined which I did not consider in the %

2004 DAL:

Julius Jones 197 51%

Eddie George 132 34%

Richie Anderson 57 15%

ReShard Lee had 27 carries which I did not consider in the %

2005 DAL:

Julius Jones 257 58%

Marion Barber 138 31%

Tyson Thompson 46 11%

Anthony Thomas had 36 carries which I did not consider in the %

2006 DAL:

Julius Jones 267 66%

Marion Barber 135 34%

Like I said 9 out of 19 seasons Parcells was not using RBBC. Here's how I define RBBC, where any RB outside of the feature back receives at least 30% of the carries OR the primary RB receives less than 70% of the workload. RBBC isn't always just two RBs, sometimes there is a 65% RB than 2 or 3 that make up the 35%.

Thanks for the stats.Actually, after looking at them it amazes me how many carries C Mart had.

As a Fins fan, Ronnie Brown was off to a league leading performance last year even on the Fins but he is no C Mart. If he was, he would possibly get 350 carries a year.

 

[switz]

Actually, after looking at them it amazes me how many carries C Mart had. As a Fins fan, Ronnie Brown was off to a league leading performance last year even on the Fins but he is no C Mart. If he was, he would possibly get 350 carries a year.

CMart simply had no competition for carries.

 

[hitmenssharpshooters]

Actually, after looking at them it amazes me how many carries C Mart had. As a Fins fan, Ronnie Brown was off to a league leading performance last year even on the Fins but he is no C Mart. If he was, he would possibly get 350 carries a year.

CMart simply had no competition for carries.

I agree. H Edwards fed him as well.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Actually, after looking at them it amazes me how many carries C Mart had. As a Fins fan, Ronnie Brown was off to a league leading performance last year even on the Fins but he is no C Mart. If he was, he would possibly get 350 carries a year.

CMart simply had no competition for carries.

And I would argue that it will turn out that Ricky Williams is not competition for carries. I guess we'll see.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

Like I said 9 out of 19 seasons Parcells was not using RBBC. Here's how I define RBBC, where any RB outside of the feature back receives at least 30% of the carries OR the primary RB receives less than 70% of the workload. RBBC isn't always just two RBs, sometimes there is a 65% RB than 2 or 3 that make up the 35%.

That's likely a more stringent definition of a RBBC than most. By your definition, only 9 teams last year had a lead RB with at least 70% of the RB carries. So, compared to most, Parcells would tend use a primary RB.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Like I said 9 out of 19 seasons Parcells was not using RBBC. Here's how I define RBBC, where any RB outside of the feature back receives at least 30% of the carries OR the primary RB receives less than 70% of the workload. RBBC isn't always just two RBs, sometimes there is a 65% RB than 2 or 3 that make up the 35%.

That's likely a more stringent definition of a RBBC than most. By your definition, only 9 teams last year had a lead RB with at least 70% of the RB carries. So, compared to most, Parcells would tend use a primary RB.

I agree. I used to use the 70% value awhile ago, but have been decreasing it down to 65% currently just based on the trends in the NFL.

 

[Reaper]

From RotoWorld:

Ricky Williams showed up to offseason workouts in "tip-top shape" and indicated he thinks the Dolphins will use a committee at running back this season.

Williams says he turned down Cedric Benson's invitation to join him for a recent Lake Travis boating trip. Smart move. In their first meeting, Ricky says Bill Parcells told him he'll share carries with Ronnie Brown this year. Parcells and coach Tony Sparano have long been fans of running back committees.

Source: Palm Beach Post

Related: Ronnie Brown, Bears

Wat?I'm not writing off Ricky Williams, but that statement makes me think that the writer doesn't even know that Parcells coached anywhere before Dallas. He's ridden a workhorse throughout the vast majority of his career.

Finally some sense in this thread. Parcells isn't a RBBC guy. Geez. He traded to get his workhorse when he left to coach another team. Too many Ricky Williams fans in here.

Well, Before Parcells took the Miami job - As an analyst, I saw him talk about how the NFL has Changed since then...... He said in today's game, he thinks RB's are disposable and that you need to put your eggs in more than 1 basket....

To me, Parcells Certainly feels today's game needs somewhat of a RBBC.... If nothing else than to have the backup confident and ready to go at a moments notice.

Add in a guy coming off an ACL.

I'm not a RW fan but, I can see a limit on R Brown's work load this year - It's not as if they're competing for the Super Bowl this year - I think It's in their best interest to get Brown 100% for the following year and beyond.