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A Thought For The Sharks, Hawks, Tanks, Etc. (1 Viewer)

DoubleG

DoubleG

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I had a crazy thought. I know we all have those times when we're looking to make a trade or pick a guy up or look at our lineup and think :confused: - I also know that there are literally hundreds of us who come in to the pool several times a day that have many great insights.

I realize most of us loathe to wander into the Assistant coach forum...until we have one of "those" moments (i.e. you've mulled it over 16 ways or you're simply too close to the situation or like the players too much to be objective) - then we end up doing this "see mine" silliness - and half of the answers aren't even well thought out, just thrown out there so we can post a link to our agonizing indecision.

What if the sharkiest of sharks, the hawkiest of hawks, etc., kind of agreed to go into the dark corner of the forum known as the Assistant Coach forum 1 time a day, pick 1 single question, put some actual thought into the answer and answered it? A "pay it forward" sort of thing. Sound good? If not once a day - once a week?

I know...it's just crazy to think we could be that excellent to each other.

 
I think this is a very good idea and have thought of it in the past. I know some people go there on Sundays, not to post their questions, but to help others out, but that typically only happens minimally and usually when it is a slow Sunday news days (i.e. we are not at the edge of our seats to see whether the five studs on GTD are actually going to play).

I pledge to go there as often as possible to help out. I use FBG 95% of the time, but when I have been on other boards, I have found their version of the Assistant Coach to be a little more "robust" with postings, albiet their version of the Shark Pool is a virtual kiddie pool when it comes to well thought out posts.

 
Was this crazy thought brought on from a similar crazy thought posted a month or so back?

 
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DoubleG said:
I had a crazy thought. I know we all have those times when we're looking to make a trade or pick a guy up or look at our lineup and think :thumbup: - I also know that there are literally hundreds of us who come in to the pool several times a day that have many great insights.

I realize most of us loathe to wander into the Assistant coach forum...until we have one of "those" moments (i.e. you've mulled it over 16 ways or you're simply too close to the situation or like the players too much to be objective) - then we end up doing this "see mine" silliness - and half of the answers aren't even well thought out, just thrown out there so we can post a link to our agonizing indecision.

What if the sharkiest of sharks, the hawkiest of hawks, etc., kind of agreed to go into the dark corner of the forum known as the Assistant Coach forum 1 time a day, pick 1 single question, put some actual thought into the answer and answered it? A "pay it forward" sort of thing. Sound good? If not once a day - once a week?

I know...it's just crazy to think we could be that excellent to each other.
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Glad to make it a tradeoff IF all the WDIS and Ishebetterthan interjections into the threads in the Shark Pool ALSO go there
 
FBG should create a staff position for someone who desperately wants to be on staff that just stays in the ACF and answers questions. The trade off for this coveted staff position would be that that certain poster would no longer be allowed to post in any other forum.

 
Greg.

You started in the FFA, migrated to the SP, and now you're looking to dip your toe into the AC Forum? You are going the wrong direction my friend.

For my part, I would like to humbly suggest that the sharkiest of hawks and the hawkiest of sharks venture over to the FFA. Become the sharkiest of "who's hotter" polls instead of WDIS polls, let go of your "facts" and "statistics" and base your arguments on pure unadulterated passion, and become the hawkiest of Werewolves.

YWIA.

Please see mine.

GLLLL PEAS.

 
i think the best thing for this place would be to get rid of all the extraneous threads. yesterday there were 3 james freakin davis threads on the front page.

op, if youve mulled it over every which way, then its obv a close decision. flip a coin or pick your favorite player or pick the game you are most likely to sweat. it all evens out in the long run if its close.

 
I thought you were going to talk about the considerable amount of threads that devolve into bickering and attacks.... Good idea though, I've gotten some good help in the Assistant coach forum (about big trades) and I hope given a few thought out answers. The trades closest to me are the hardest ones to "see". There are quite a few WDIS questions that don't need to be there really.

 
Winky the tunnel ferret said:
the rover said:
FBG should create a staff position for someone who desperately wants to be on staff that just stays in the ACF and answers questions. The trade off for this coveted staff position would be that that certain poster would no longer be allowed to post in any other forum.
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Funny but an interesting thought. Perhaps FBG could create an system where, for example, 30 users selected randomly each day would only be able to access the AC forum.Even if it doesn't work out for FBGs I bet that 30 employers would be grateful for the increased employee productivity on those days their staff was selected.
 
The thing that I like about the ACF is all the 'Will Answer Yours'

Really, if you can't make your own lineup decisions, exactly what are you going to be offering anyone else?

I think another great idea for the Shark Pool would be that if anyone gets any whimsical thought in their head about any NFL player, they should start a new thread about it.

 
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Hipple said:
Maybe FBG should run a contest. something like top 12 ACF posters get free entry into a survivor pool etc...

cuz i'll admit, going to the acf is a pain. :boxing:
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I like the incentive based suggestion. Nice one.What kind of animal do you feel best represents your Fantasy Football knowledge? Because I might consider switching.

¿dingo?

 
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Captain Hook said:
Glad to make it a tradeoff IF all the WDIS and Ishebetterthan interjections into the threads in the Shark Pool ALSO go there
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Well, that was honestly a positive foreseen side effect. IMHO, the reason some of the veiled (and sometimes, not so veiled) WDIS threads end up in the pool, is becuase they don't get the quality response in the AC that exsist here. Most of those most qualified to answer some of those questions (either WDIS, or trades or whatever) will likely never see them. Honestly, I haven't posted in the AC forum since before last year (until today, when I answered a trade question based on this thread) - and haven't thought to wander in since last season either.
 
Captain Hook said:
Glad to make it a tradeoff IF all the WDIS and Ishebetterthan interjections into the threads in the Shark Pool ALSO go there
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Well, that was honestly a positive foreseen side effect. IMHO, the reason some of the veiled (and sometimes, not so veiled) WDIS threads end up in the pool, is becuase they don't get the quality response in the AC that exsist here. Most of those most qualified to answer some of those questions (either WDIS, or trades or whatever) will likely never see them. Honestly, I haven't posted in the AC forum since before last year (until today, when I answered a trade question based on this thread) - and haven't thought to wander in since last season either.
 
Nice idea.

I've gone to the AC more than a few times when I want an extra opinion or different angle on a WDIS or potential trade. It never makes-or-breaks my decision...I just figured it's an available resource, why not use it just for fun.

Most of the time when I go there I try to give my opinion on a few of the threads, with a bit of reasoning....as a kind of "payback" to FBG forums.

 
Hipple said:
Maybe FBG should run a contest. something like top 12 ACF posters get free entry into a survivor pool etc...cuz i'll admit, going to the acf is a pain. :goodposting:
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That's a good idea. I can see something like that. How would we determine the top guys? J
 
Just talking out loud on the AC forum topic. I wonder if we couldn't improve that forum by strongly encouraging a standard way to ask questions.

Most notably - think for yourself.

I know when I get " who should I start" emails, the only way I'm able to sort through them is to ask the guy what he thinks first. If the guy won't take the time to tell me what he sees as the pros and cons of the deal or player, I usually don't reply back. But many times the guy will reply back with a really detailed and well thought out reply. And lots of times, they answer their own question once they think about it.

I wonder if we made it known in the forum that if you really want people to answer your questions, give a somewhat detailed breakdown of what you think about your situation.

For you guys that help out in the AC, you make an effort to sort of focus on the threads where the guy is thinking for himself like this. Other guys asking questions see pretty soon that the way to get a response in the AC is to let them know what you think first.

I may be totally wrong, but I bet you'd see the quality go way up. Nobody likes a needy / clingy / run my team for me so I don't have to think" thread. I think having some sort of format like this might help. What do you think?

J

 
Joe Bryant said:
Just talking out loud on the AC forum topic. I wonder if we couldn't improve that forum by strongly encouraging a standard way to ask questions.Most notably - think for yourself.I know when I get " who should I start" emails, the only way I'm able to sort through them is to ask the guy what he thinks first. If the guy won't take the time to tell me what he sees as the pros and cons of the deal or player, I usually don't reply back. But many times the guy will reply back with a really detailed and well thought out reply. And lots of times, they answer their own question once they think about it.I wonder if we made it known in the forum that if you really want people to answer your questions, give a somewhat detailed breakdown of what you think about your situation.For you guys that help out in the AC, you make an effort to sort of focus on the threads where the guy is thinking for himself like this. Other guys asking questions see pretty soon that the way to get a response in the AC is to let them know what you think first.I may be totally wrong, but I bet you'd see the quality go way up. Nobody likes a needy / clingy / run my team for me so I don't have to think" thread. I think having some sort of format like this might help. What do you think?J
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I think this is a great idea. You could even have someone pin a couple of templates for WDIS and Trade Question.As for the best poster idea, you could have folks from the AC forum nominate based on responses they ran across that they feel merit it via the "report" function, then either go with the highest frequency of nominations or have the staff members review the nominated responses and vote.
 
GloryDaze said:
The thing that I like about the ACF is all the 'Will Answer Yours' Really, if you can't make your own lineup decisions, exactly what are you going to be offering anyone else?
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This is exactly what I think of the ACF. It is a blind leading the blind philosophy.
 
Joe Bryant said:
Hipple said:
Maybe FBG should run a contest. something like top 12 ACF posters get free entry into a survivor pool etc...cuz i'll admit, going to the acf is a pain. :confused:
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That's a good idea. I can see something like that. How would we determine the top guys? J
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Implement ratings....Customize the board so that user ratings are accumulated only when posting in the ACF. We do this for translation of our websites... User base rates those people who translated strings...The entire site doesn't support user ratings, just our translation environment.
 
Hipple said:
Maybe FBG should run a contest. something like top 12 ACF posters get free entry into a survivor pool etc...cuz i'll admit, going to the acf is a pain. :bag:
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That's a good idea. I can see something like that. How would we determine the top guys? J
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:hey:
 
blend said:
Joe Bryant said:
Hipple said:
Maybe FBG should run a contest. something like top 12 ACF posters get free entry into a survivor pool etc...cuz i'll admit, going to the acf is a pain. :bag:
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That's a good idea. I can see something like that. How would we determine the top guys? J
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Implement ratings....Customize the board so that user ratings are accumulated only when posting in the ACF. We do this for translation of our websites... User base rates those people who translated strings...The entire site doesn't support user ratings, just our translation environment.
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:potkettle: Wasn't there some sort of rating function a while ago on FBG that got canned? Why not use it, but only in the ACF - kind of like a "positive feedback" on ebay. You just give a guy a "thumbs up" as a thank you for giving helpful advice (or at least well thought out advice!)
 
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fridayfrenzy said:
GloryDaze said:
The thing that I like about the ACF is all the 'Will Answer Yours' Really, if you can't make your own lineup decisions, exactly what are you going to be offering anyone else?
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This is exactly what I think of the ACF. It is a blind leading the blind philosophy.
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Wrong, and you guys likely know it, but it was a fun argument to posit.It's about perspective and ownership. An owner has sweat equity into the guys he drafted, traded for, and picked up off the waiver wire. An owner has in his head who his 1's, 2's, and 3's are. An owner's judgement can be clouded. It's nice to get unbiased and non-judgemental advice from a fellow hawk. You can still of course make your own decision but it's nice to hear corroborating as well as opposing sides. And sometimes, you can even learn something, even as a hawk. I think this is a great idea.
 
Joe Bryant said:
Just talking out loud on the AC forum topic. I wonder if we couldn't improve that forum by strongly encouraging a standard way to ask questions.Most notably - think for yourself.I know when I get " who should I start" emails, the only way I'm able to sort through them is to ask the guy what he thinks first. If the guy won't take the time to tell me what he sees as the pros and cons of the deal or player, I usually don't reply back. But many times the guy will reply back with a really detailed and well thought out reply. And lots of times, they answer their own question once they think about it.I wonder if we made it known in the forum that if you really want people to answer your questions, give a somewhat detailed breakdown of what you think about your situation.For you guys that help out in the AC, you make an effort to sort of focus on the threads where the guy is thinking for himself like this. Other guys asking questions see pretty soon that the way to get a response in the AC is to let them know what you think first.I may be totally wrong, but I bet you'd see the quality go way up. Nobody likes a needy / clingy / run my team for me so I don't have to think" thread. I think having some sort of format like this might help. What do you think?J
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Nah just pay me and I'll answer posts there.
 
I think you really have to find a way to consolidate the vast majority of threads in that forum. I know I would love to be able to go to the ACF and do a quick search to find well thought out responses that are relavent to my situation, but right now it's like finding a needle in a hay stack of one word responses followed by "see mine".

On the flip side I could see why someone would have reservations about posting anything more then a sentence response. Why spend thirty minutes looking up stats and formulating an intelligent thesis when it'll be buried three pages deep in half of that time?

 
Joe Bryant said:
Just talking out loud on the AC forum topic. I wonder if we couldn't improve that forum by strongly encouraging a standard way to ask questions.

Most notably - think for yourself.

I know when I get " who should I start" emails, the only way I'm able to sort through them is to ask the guy what he thinks first. If the guy won't take the time to tell me what he sees as the pros and cons of the deal or player, I usually don't reply back. But many times the guy will reply back with a really detailed and well thought out reply. And lots of times, they answer their own question once they think about it.

I wonder if we made it known in the forum that if you really want people to answer your questions, give a somewhat detailed breakdown of what you think about your situation.

For you guys that help out in the AC, you make an effort to sort of focus on the threads where the guy is thinking for himself like this. Other guys asking questions see pretty soon that the way to get a response in the AC is to let them know what you think first.

I may be totally wrong, but I bet you'd see the quality go way up. Nobody likes a needy / clingy / run my team for me so I don't have to think" thread. I think having some sort of format like this might help. What do you think?

J
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Hi Joe,The problem is, no one reads stickies or templates, or which ever you might pin up. Now, the Shark Pool stickies do not count, as they are rotated out weekly.

I have over 30k posts over forums on the internet, moderated a few, and now own/operate a rather large forum and I cannot tell you how many times I have linked a new poster to a stickied thread directly above one of their first posts. Likely a few hundred times.

Is there an answer to change the the habits of a forum that has fallen off? It would take a massive community effort as you have to lead by example. You have do it over and over until what you want becomes the new standard.

Once forums/boards/blogs run for such a long time its tough to break the habit. Online communities run along the lines of the Broken Windows Theory Wiki. In order to lead a community out of such habits, heavy persistance must follow. Also see: Article: Does the Broken Windows Theory Hold Online, Broken Windows, March '82 Atlantic Mag

-Joe Tall

 
Chaka said:
What kind of animal do you feel best represents your Fantasy Football knowledge? Because I might consider switching.

¿dingo?
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I guess it all depends on your strategy....http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/crea...ats/cheats.html (top ten cheaters?)

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/crea...es/thieves.html (top ten animal thieves?)

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/crea...t/smartest.html (top ten smartest?)

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/crea.../predators.html (top ten predators? sharks still reign!)

I am leaning CHAMELEON

http://animal.discovery.com/tv/a-list/crea.../cheats-08.html

 
Wow...I didn't see this thread yesterday, but I spent a couple of hours yesterday answering AC forum questions and was literally the top poster on the day over all forums.

I did this because I had a really tough 3 way decision at my WR3 spot and wanted as much input as I could get...so I went to answering every post on the first page to get people to respond to mine. I ended up with about 20 different comments on my question (and a pretty diverse group of opinions).

But I actually enjoyed it. For the most part, I just gave my opinions and that is usually what everyone is just looking for, another set of eyes on the problem....if you can just bring up one point that the poster hadn't thought of, you are being a tremendous help.

I will likely continue to do this in weeks where I have the opportunity. This week is just a little bit special as I've recently landed some huge sales and my boss is out of town. Most weeks I'll be too busy to spend that much time, but this week I could so I did.

 
the rover said:
FBG should create a staff position for someone who desperately wants to be on staff that just stays in the ACF and answers questions. The trade off for this coveted staff position would be that that certain poster would no longer be allowed to post in any other forum.
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FBG already answers WDIS questions in the Audible
 
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