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Aaron Hernandez is still the #2 TE in NE (1 Viewer)

I don't care what a Patriots depth chart looks like when it concerns these two TE's. Nobody can cover Hernandez!!

 
'DevilintheDetail said:
http://www.patriots.com/games-and-stats/depth-chart.htmlThe depth chart was updated this weekend and, although Ridley was moved ahead of Vereen, Gronkowski is still the starting TE and Hernandez is the backup. Given all of the love on here for Hernandez vis-a-vis Gronkowski, I thought that was notable.
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I wouldnt rely on that so much. I mean JCharles is 2nd on the "depth chart" i think both will have value, gronk with redzone opps and hernandez with receptions
 
For starters, it's not an official depth chart (as illustrated by UNOFFICIAL DEPTH CHART at the top). Second, it doesn't matter what the depth chart says, Gronk and Hernandez will be used differently. If Gronkowski is the blocking TE and plays on running plays, how does that help his fantasy value? Third, this is the same way it was listed last year when 8 games into the season Hernandez had 35 receptions to 14 for Gronkowski when Hernandez got hurt.

It's someone's best guess as to what they think the depth chart should be. There is no way to list 1A and 1B. I still would not be too concerned if I were a Hernandez owner.

 
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'DevilintheDetail said:
http://www.patriots.com/games-and-stats/depth-chart.htmlThe depth chart was updated this weekend and, although Ridley was moved ahead of Vereen, Gronkowski is still the starting TE and Hernandez is the backup. Given all of the love on here for Hernandez vis-a-vis Gronkowski, I thought that was notable.
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They use two tight end sets constantly. Nobody thought Hernandez would be first on the depth chart and any love Hernandez has been getting has nothing to do with what the depth chart says. So, no, it's not notable at all.
 
No Hernandez owner in their right mind expects, or should expect, him to be listed as #1 on the depth chart. As others have said it's pretty inconsequential. The Pats will likely run as many or more 2 TE sets as anyone in the league.

Both guys have TE1 potential but IMO Hernandez is clearly the better receiver and is much more likely to have more receptions and yards. Even though he's listed as #2 on the depth chart, his potential point production is as good or better than Gronks IMO.

In other words---Nothing to see here. The depth chart is what we thought it was...

 
Gronk will probably be the #1 TE and should be. But Hernandez will line up at TE, WR, Slot, backfield and put up superior numbers.

 
'Vision6 said:
Gronk will probably be the #1 TE and should be. But Hernandez will line up at TE, WR, Slot, backfield and put up superior numbers.
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:goodposting: I don't understand why people can't wrap their minds around how BB is using Hernandez as an uber H-back.
 
'Vision6 said:
Gronk will probably be the #1 TE and should be. But Hernandez will line up at TE, WR, Slot, backfield and put up superior numbers.
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this. gronk is the redzone target but hernandez will be utilized and present bonafide mismatches that the pats will look to exploit. he has stud potential in a ppr. albeit preseason action, hernandez led everyone in receptions. that's gotta be worth something. fwiw, i've had two sound offers for hernandez in the last two days.i am very ok with starting him week 1.
 
'Vision6 said:
Gronk will probably be the #1 TE and should be. But Hernandez will line up at TE, WR, Slot, backfield and put up superior numbers.
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Sure, he'll line up in more spots, but there are going to be a lot of mouths to feed at the WR positions b/t Welker, Branch, and Ocho. And there are the new additions to the backfield. How often will Hernandez be lining up in the backfield once Vereen is healthy? My guess is that Hernandez won't be quite as big of a factor as Gronkowski in the offense, especially once you consider that Gronk is clearly the best red zone receiving option with Moss gone.
 
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!

I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.

 
'nickel&dime said:
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.
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Yep, and this is why I just traded Gronk+Delone Carter for Pierre Thomas (who has been announced as Saints "starter", and I have Ingram).I have Winslow and Kendricks, I dont need to get a headached every week considering to start Gronk (or Hernandez for that matter, but I think he'll be more consistent at least).
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'nickel&dime said:
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.
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Yep, and this is why I just traded Gronk+Delone Carter for Pierre Thomas (who has been announced as Saints "starter", and I have Ingram).I have Winslow and Kendricks, I dont need to get a headached every week considering to start Gronk (or Hernandez for that matter, but I think he'll be more consistent at least).
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KP, you sure do enjoy talking about your teams in threads. I respect your pride.
 
'Kenny Powers said:
'nickel&dime said:
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.
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Yep, and this is why I just traded Gronk+Delone Carter for Pierre Thomas (who has been announced as Saints "starter", and I have Ingram).I have Winslow and Kendricks, I dont need to get a headached every week considering to start Gronk (or Hernandez for that matter, but I think he'll be more consistent at least).
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I have each of them in a separate league. Hope I get it right in at least one! I'll have a meltdown if I start Gronk and it ends up being Hernandez big week, or vice versa.
 
As a Pats fan I absolutely love Gronk and his style of play where he bowls over defenders and carries them into the endzone. I also love his enthusiasm for the game. Hernandez is a completely different animal and is more wr than te. With that being said I don't think either player is going to put up consistent #'s week to week. I would figure Hernandez will have more receptions/yards while Gronk will lead in td's. If you could morph both of them into one te you'd have gold. I don't see either as more than a low first/ second tier TE but I'd agree Hernandez probably has more upside fantasy-wise and chance to break out.

 
I think Gronk will block more than last year due to only 2 tes on the roster. Last year Crumpler was helping out with the blocking duties. Gronk will still get a lot of red-zone love. But I would say Hernandez is the te to own in New England.

 
Hernandez disinformation is hilarious. Soon were gonna be hearing about his Vernon Davis like ability. Aaron is a top 10 TE, but he is still the 2nd best TE in almost every regard that plays for the New England Patriots. He doesnt have WR quickness or speed, or hands, or height.

The fact that he is gonna put up top 10 numbers despite all that is a testament to his skill. But the things people say about him are just hilarious. "hes faster than Gronkowski", not enough for it to matter in the slightest. "hes quicker than Gronkowski", no he actually isnt. "hes a better route runner than Gronkowski", possibly - didnt appear to be the case last year or in their entire college careers. "hes a better pass catcher than Gronkowski" also not true.

Top all that off by Gronkowski having close to twice as much on field time and almost all of the red zone work, I just dont see Aaron being the TE to own in NE as long as Gronkowski is there (comparatively to each other, I would still roster Hernandez over more than half the starting TEs)

 
'shnikies said:
'Kenny Powers said:
'nickel&dime said:
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.
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Yep, and this is why I just traded Gronk+Delone Carter for Pierre Thomas (who has been announced as Saints "starter", and I have Ingram).I have Winslow and Kendricks, I dont need to get a headached every week considering to start Gronk (or Hernandez for that matter, but I think he'll be more consistent at least).
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KP, you sure do enjoy talking about your teams in threads. I respect your pride.
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Gotta go with your gut while you still can before the season starts. Gives you something to back yourself up with when the stooges come out midseason because their team blows. I dont mind giving my 2 cents to people not in my leagues. Come thursday, what happens happens. Just hoping my ships stay afloat once its all said and done :banned:
 
'Run It Up said:
Hernandez disinformation is hilarious. Soon were gonna be hearing about his Vernon Davis like ability. Aaron is a top 10 TE, but he is still the 2nd best TE in almost every regard that plays for the New England Patriots. He doesnt have WR quickness or speed, or hands, or height. The fact that he is gonna put up top 10 numbers despite all that is a testament to his skill. But the things people say about him are just hilarious. "hes faster than Gronkowski", not enough for it to matter in the slightest. "hes quicker than Gronkowski", no he actually isnt. "hes a better route runner than Gronkowski", possibly - didnt appear to be the case last year or in their entire college careers. "hes a better pass catcher than Gronkowski" also not true.Top all that off by Gronkowski having close to twice as much on field time and almost all of the red zone work, I just dont see Aaron being the TE to own in NE as long as Gronkowski is there (comparatively to each other, I would still roster Hernandez over more than half the starting TEs)
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I'm convinced you ARE Gronkowski.
 
Is it possible for the Patriots to make a 1a/1b on the depth chart? If not, this makes sense.

I'm not sure what this has to do with Hernandez's fantasy value/impact considering he won't be used like a traditional TE anyway. I think I'd be more concerned for his value (and health) if he was asked to get down on the end of the O-line and have to block a DE 50-60 snaps a game.

I, for one, am OK with the "depth chart".

 
'GCP said:
'Run It Up said:
Hernandez disinformation is hilarious. Soon were gonna be hearing about his Vernon Davis like ability. Aaron is a top 10 TE, but he is still the 2nd best TE in almost every regard that plays for the New England Patriots. He doesnt have WR quickness or speed, or hands, or height.

The fact that he is gonna put up top 10 numbers despite all that is a testament to his skill. But the things people say about him are just hilarious. "hes faster than Gronkowski", not enough for it to matter in the slightest. "hes quicker than Gronkowski", no he actually isnt. "hes a better route runner than Gronkowski", possibly - didnt appear to be the case last year or in their entire college careers. "hes a better pass catcher than Gronkowski" also not true.

Top all that off by Gronkowski having close to twice as much on field time and almost all of the red zone work, I just dont see Aaron being the TE to own in NE as long as Gronkowski is there (comparatively to each other, I would still roster Hernandez over more than half the starting TEs)
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I'm convinced you ARE Gronkowski.
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:lmao: Pretty sure Hernandez is faster, quicker, and a better route runner (although the last I could see as debatable). Gronkowski definitely is a better pass catcher, though (and, of course, the better all-around TE - not for FF, but in reality).

Also, based on a quick Google search, average WR heights in the NFL range from 6' 0" and 6' 3" and average 40 times for WRs is in the 4.5s - Hernandez is listed as 6' 1" and ran a 4.58. The only thing I'd agree he is lacking in, based on his game day performances, is his pass catching ability. However, I'd venture to guess that some of his drops have more to do with a lack of mental focus than his actual ability to catch. So - unless my Google searches have led me astray, I'm pretty sure he sizes up as a WR in the NFL.

 
'captain_amazing said:
'GCP said:
'Run It Up said:
Hernandez disinformation is hilarious. Soon were gonna be hearing about his Vernon Davis like ability. Aaron is a top 10 TE, but he is still the 2nd best TE in almost every regard that plays for the New England Patriots. He doesnt have WR quickness or speed, or hands, or height.

The fact that he is gonna put up top 10 numbers despite all that is a testament to his skill. But the things people say about him are just hilarious. "hes faster than Gronkowski", not enough for it to matter in the slightest. "hes quicker than Gronkowski", no he actually isnt. "hes a better route runner than Gronkowski", possibly - didnt appear to be the case last year or in their entire college careers. "hes a better pass catcher than Gronkowski" also not true.

Top all that off by Gronkowski having close to twice as much on field time and almost all of the red zone work, I just dont see Aaron being the TE to own in NE as long as Gronkowski is there (comparatively to each other, I would still roster Hernandez over more than half the starting TEs)
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I'm convinced you ARE Gronkowski.
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:lmao: Pretty sure Hernandez is faster, quicker, and a better route runner (although the last I could see as debatable). Gronkowski definitely is a better pass catcher, though (and, of course, the better all-around TE - not for FF, but in reality).

Also, based on a quick Google search, average WR heights in the NFL range from 6' 0" and 6' 3" and average 40 times for WRs is in the 4.5s - Hernandez is listed as 6' 1" and ran a 4.58. The only thing I'd agree he is lacking in, based on his game day performances, is his pass catching ability. However, I'd venture to guess that some of his drops have more to do with a lack of mental focus than his actual ability to catch. So - unless my Google searches have led me astray, I'm pretty sure he sizes up as a WR in the NFL.
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Good link. I was unaware of their 3-cone drill times, Hernandez is in fact quicker than Gronk in that regards. I dont know why though, but they chose to not include the 20 and 10 yard dash times (which is what I was using to determine their quicknesss) Gronks 20 and 10 yard dash times were both better than Aarons. Gronkowski

Hernandez

 
'Run It Up said:
'captain_amazing said:
'GCP said:
'Run It Up said:
Hernandez disinformation is hilarious. Soon were gonna be hearing about his Vernon Davis like ability. Aaron is a top 10 TE, but he is still the 2nd best TE in almost every regard that plays for the New England Patriots. He doesnt have WR quickness or speed, or hands, or height.

The fact that he is gonna put up top 10 numbers despite all that is a testament to his skill. But the things people say about him are just hilarious. "hes faster than Gronkowski", not enough for it to matter in the slightest. "hes quicker than Gronkowski", no he actually isnt. "hes a better route runner than Gronkowski", possibly - didnt appear to be the case last year or in their entire college careers. "hes a better pass catcher than Gronkowski" also not true.

Top all that off by Gronkowski having close to twice as much on field time and almost all of the red zone work, I just dont see Aaron being the TE to own in NE as long as Gronkowski is there (comparatively to each other, I would still roster Hernandez over more than half the starting TEs)
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I'm convinced you ARE Gronkowski.
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:lmao: Pretty sure Hernandez is faster, quicker, and a better route runner (although the last I could see as debatable). Gronkowski definitely is a better pass catcher, though (and, of course, the better all-around TE - not for FF, but in reality).

Also, based on a quick Google search, average WR heights in the NFL range from 6' 0" and 6' 3" and average 40 times for WRs is in the 4.5s - Hernandez is listed as 6' 1" and ran a 4.58. The only thing I'd agree he is lacking in, based on his game day performances, is his pass catching ability. However, I'd venture to guess that some of his drops have more to do with a lack of mental focus than his actual ability to catch. So - unless my Google searches have led me astray, I'm pretty sure he sizes up as a WR in the NFL.
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Good link. I was unaware of their 3-cone drill times, Hernandez is in fact quicker than Gronk in that regards. I dont know why though, but they chose to not include the 20 and 10 yard dash times (which is what I was using to determine their quicknesss) Gronks 20 and 10 yard dash times were both better than Aarons. Gronkowski

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:thumbup: I didn't know that either - but it isn't surprising to me. The Pats like to send Gronk straight down the middle of the field and have Brady lob a pass high up where only he can grab it, and every time they ran that type of play last year, defenses seemed to be caught off guard from his quick straight line speed.

 
'shnikies said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
http://www.patriots....epth-chart.html

The depth chart was updated this weekend and, although Ridley was moved ahead of Vereen, Gronkowski is still the starting TE and Hernandez is the backup. Given all of the love on here for Hernandez vis-a-vis Gronkowski, I thought that was notable.
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They use two tight end sets constantly. Nobody thought Hernandez would be first on the depth chart and any love Hernandez has been getting has nothing to do with what the depth chart says. So, no, it's not notable at all.
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:goodposting:
 
'nickel&dime said:
As a Hernandez owner form last season, I think I'm done with the Patriot TEs. It's the worst feeling in the world watching Gronk score multiple TDs while your guy is on the sidelines (or vice versa if you're a Gronk owner). I've learned to deal with the era of RBBC's, but I'm not going to start having to figure out TEBC!

I read somewhere that you can "know" which TE is going to factor more in a game by the type of defense they're going up against. I'm not smart enough for that and don't have enough time to go find the info. If someone has an easy source to get this info, please post. I'm drafting tonight...and may relive my Hernandez nightmare if I can plan his matchups correctly.
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I posted the article in question last year. In this thread.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=574337&st=0&gopid=12697485entry12697485

 
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Hernandez owner coming in to eat my crow as I needed a big night out of him......

TD if it stands up but Gronk is cleaning his clock tonite.

No TD dang it!

 
'VaTerp said:
Hernandez owner coming in to eat my crow as I needed a big night out of him......

TD if it stands up but Gronk is cleaning his clock tonite.

No TD dang it!
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:confused: both guys have 5 catches and a TD with similar yardage. They're both looking great tonight.
 
Insane why people start gloating or kavetching before the game even ends. Just watch and drink it in. Looks like both are going to be weapons most weeks. The outside WRs are not the focus of the offense, not until Vontae Davis went down anyways.

 
'Chaka said:
Anyone have an idea about the snap breakdown between Gronk and Hernandez?
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I would think it will be fairly close given that they have mostly been running 2 TE sets and no huddle. Not really sure it makes much difference, as it's looking like both will be fixtures in the offense.
 
They've both been on the field for what seems like 90% plus of the snaps.

Two TE sets and hurry up all night.

 
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