Abraham Traded to Falcons (1 Viewer)

[EBF]

And just for the sake of a little hyperbole, I really think White could get 1,600 rushing yards and 15+ TDs as a rookie on that team. His bruising style would work great in the high altitude with Denver's zone blocking o-line.

Even with Dayne and T.Bell there?

I don't think either guy would see more than spot duty.

 

[diesel7982]

And just for the sake of a little hyperbole, I really think White could get 1,600 rushing yards and 15+ TDs as a rookie on that team. His bruising style would work great in the high altitude with Denver's zone blocking o-line.

Even with Dayne and T.Bell there?

I don't think either guy would see more than spot duty.

 

[Kiddnets]

I also think this may be a precursor to a Jet trade up with NO - the extra #1 gives the Jets more than enough pts for the #2 overall on the draft chart. Maybe parameters are in place for a NO deal and they didn't need the #15 - would rather have the later picks.

 

[EBF]

I also think this may be a precursor to a Jet trade up with NO - the extra #1 gives the Jets more than enough pts for the #2 overall on the draft chart. Maybe parameters are in place for a NO deal and they didn't need the #15 - would rather have the later picks.

Not a bad call. Leinart would be a nice acquisition for that franchise. I don't know if he'd make it past Tennessee at #3.

 

[Englishteacher]

Abrham+3rd+4th for their 15th overall. I think the Falcons did well here.

I'll say. As opposed to Matthias Kiawunka (sp?)

 

[softball]

that's about fair market value for Abraham. Abraham will have a nice year in Atlanta with DeAngelo Hall providing a few coverage sacks. Plus he'll be on a fast track 8 times a year. If he can stay healthy he'll easily get 13 sacks.

He'll also have Coleman and Kerney on the line. 2 more Pro Bowlers.

He will have 10 games on Artificial surface including the Saints and Lions away games.Nice.

I ain't one to brag, but I believe JA was worth a 1st Rd pick! uhum uhum, cough cough

 

[cstu]

I agree that QB seems unlikely. Why would a playoff team with a core of solid veterans take a gamble on a mid-first round QB? It worked for the Steelers, but that was an exception to the rule and Plummer is probably a much better QB than Maddox ever was (meaning there's less incentive for Denver to try a rookie).

They think Vince Young is slipping. Shanahan loves QB's that can run, it was a major reason he pursued Jake Plummer in free agency.

I guess you could call me a Young hater because he's not even in my top 10 FF rookie rankings, but he makes the least sense of all three QBs. He seems the least ready to run an NFL offense and the most risky. Shanahan has a knack for ballsy moves, but I don't see how drafting VY would do anything to improve his squad's chances for the next few years.White makes a little more sense. I think New England would draft him if he fell to #21. Denver leapfrogged the Pats and a couple of other teams who would probably consider White (Dallas and Minnesota). Of the remaining teams in front of Denver, only Philadelphia seems like a real threat to take White. The Jets and 49ers are slight possibilities, but I think those teams have too many holes to use an early 1st on a RB.

Denver has Plummer under contract for 4 more years and whenever he is cut it will be a cap savings due his low signing bonus. He turns 32 this year so the Broncos need to start finding a replacement and Young can sit on the bench for a year or two. I would say that Shanahan is not that happy with Plummer. Even though he has played well in the regular season, he reverted to his old self under the pressure of the playoffs. I wouldn't doubt at all that Shanahan sees Young as a Super-Plummer who can run and handle pressure. This move makes a lot more sense than drafting a RB in the first round when Shanahan knows how to find diamonds-in-the-rough late in the draft.

 

[EBF]

I agree that QB seems unlikely. Why would a playoff team with a core of solid veterans take a gamble on a mid-first round QB? It worked for the Steelers, but that was an exception to the rule and Plummer is probably a much better QB than Maddox ever was (meaning there's less incentive for Denver to try a rookie).

They think Vince Young is slipping. Shanahan loves QB's that can run, it was a major reason he pursued Jake Plummer in free agency.

I guess you could call me a Young hater because he's not even in my top 10 FF rookie rankings, but he makes the least sense of all three QBs. He seems the least ready to run an NFL offense and the most risky. Shanahan has a knack for ballsy moves, but I don't see how drafting VY would do anything to improve his squad's chances for the next few years.White makes a little more sense. I think New England would draft him if he fell to #21. Denver leapfrogged the Pats and a couple of other teams who would probably consider White (Dallas and Minnesota). Of the remaining teams in front of Denver, only Philadelphia seems like a real threat to take White. The Jets and 49ers are slight possibilities, but I think those teams have too many holes to use an early 1st on a RB.

Denver has Plummer under contract for 4 more years and whenever he is cut it will be a cap savings due his low signing bonus. He turns 32 this year so the Broncos need to start finding a replacement and Young can sit on the bench for a year or two. I would say that Shanahan is not that happy with Plummer. Even though he has played well in the regular season, he reverted to his old self under the pressure of the playoffs. I wouldn't doubt at all that Shanahan sees Young as a Super-Plummer who can run and handle pressure. This move makes a lot more sense than drafting a RB in the first round when Shanahan knows how to find diamonds-in-the-rough late in the draft.

It's certainly possible, but I think it would be a bad move. Also, I don't think Young will slide to #15. Oakland seems like a good fit for him.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick

Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

So that means they're not taking a QB. Takes out one position.

I no longer have any faith in ESPN. I think they suxor.

 

[rascal]

Here's the big question...

Who are the Broncos targeting by moving into the middle of the 1st??

RB of course.

Have the Broncos ever taken a RB in the first? I'm thinking QB.

The Broncos have taken 6 RBs in the first. Denver's 1st round history.Do you mean has Shanahan ever taken a RB in the first? If so, no.

He's never taken a QB in the first, either. (Or a DT, S, TE, C or G for that matter)

I think you're ignoring a guy named Elway who the Broncos gave up their 1st round pick to get. They also didn't draft a QB after Elway retired because they thought they had drafted his replacement Brian Griese in the 3rd round in 1998. Then they \ signed former 1st round pick Jake Plummer in 2003.Also they took Tommy Maddox in the 1st round in 1992.

Shanny didn't select either of those players which the guy was talking about.

 

[KevT]

that's about fair market value for Abraham. Abraham will have a nice year in Atlanta with DeAngelo Hall providing a few coverage sacks. Plus he'll be on a fast track 8 times a year. If he can stay healthy he'll easily get 13 sacks.

He'll also have Coleman and Kerney on the line. 2 more Pro Bowlers.

And Milloy behind him, they also traded for another safety earlier this week. The Falcons' defense should be a top 5 next year. Excellent off-season for the birds so far. I just wish they'd make one more move... Can't wait until the season starts, very happy right now.

 

[hutchins929]

Everyone wins. Plus a three way is always nice.

Yes, only if you like three ways that involve only guys!!! :X

 

[Warhogs]

I also think this may be a precursor to a Jet trade up with NO - the extra #1 gives the Jets more than enough pts for the #2 overall on the draft chart. Maybe parameters are in place for a NO deal and they didn't need the #15 - would rather have the later picks.

Good call here. I have had it in my mind since NO signed Brees that somehow the Jets will move into that spot to grab Leinart. NO can slide down and still fill their need so it really costs them nothing. The Jets will badly want to move in front of Tenn to get Leinart. This just makes so much sense to me.

 

[Bcubed2355]

Here's the big question...

Who are the Broncos targeting by moving into the middle of the 1st??

I think the Broncos are carefully trying to move up in the first round high enough to package the two first picks for a Shot at reggie Bush

 

[Velcro]

I just don't see Denver taking a RB, as much as a few here want it to happen. Denver has had enormous success with later round RB's, and I don't see why Shanahan would be totally unhappy going into next season with Dayne competing for the starting job. Dayne was a total waste of space in NY, but he was very productive in Denver and I saw nothing that would indicate a lack of confidence from the coaching staff.

Having said that, I didn't see him play too much. I don't know how his blocking and blitz pickup is, and I know he can't catch.

 

[P Boy]

Broncos | Targeting QB with No. 15 overall pick

Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:35:07 -0800

ESPNews reports the Denver Broncos are expected to target a quarterback after acquiring the No. 15 overall pick from the Atlanta Falcons in a three-team deal.

Uh, I don't think so, unless either Leinart or Cutler drops dramatically, or DEN packages their picks to move up & get either of those guys. Shanahan loves mobile QBs, not running QBs - big difference. Shanahan uses his RB to gain his rushing yds.The insiders at Dove Valley are guessing either WR if they can get one of the top two (Holmes or Jackson - Moss is too small) or DE. For what it is worth, the information from insiders in DEN has improved significantly over the past couple of years & the new guys have been right a lot more than they've been wrong.

 

[UnknownCoach]

Appears to me that Denver was lucky and opportunistic based on their draft position. Atlanta needed a pick higher than Seattle's. They probably called a couple teams right in front of Seattle and offered to trade down from 15. Denver wisely accepted. This was obviously initiated by Atlanta from the looks of it. So Denver wasnt neccessarily trying to move up. I'm sure they have players they are high on but this wasnt a trade initiated by Denver in order to snag player X.

 

[P Boy]

I just don't see Denver taking a RB, as much as a few here want it to happen. Denver has had enormous success with later round RB's, and I don't see why Shanahan would be totally unhappy going into next season with Dayne competing for the starting job. Dayne was a total waste of space in NY, but he was very productive in Denver and I saw nothing that would indicate a lack of confidence from the coaching staff.

Having said that, I didn't see him play too much. I don't know how his blocking and blitz pickup is, and I know he can't catch.

Actually, Dayne caught the ball very well in preseason when they threw to him out of the backfield, including one very memorable spectacular catch of a Plummer flyer on a swing pass.I agree with you assessment though. DEN is the state of the art in the NFL as far as running the ball goes. I would be shocked to see one of the 1st rounders burned on a RB. Why would Shanahan use a 1st rounder to draft into his strength - even with Dayne & Bell being the incumbants, since Dayne did so well in spot duty last year & saved DEN's bacon on two different occassions and Bell is a great CoP for a guy like Dayne - since Shanahan has had such great success finding plums at RB late in the draft?

Positions of definite need are DE & WR, and that's pretty obvious. WR wasn't touched upon in FA, so I would be hard pressed to believe that Shanahan doesn't use 1 of those 1st rounders there. DE was partly addressed with the addition of Lang, but DEN needs an impact guy coming off the edge - which is why they discarded Pryce. Pryce is steady, solid, and plays the run as well as he plays the pass, but he doesn't generate an explosive rush. Shanahan knows he's got to do a lot more to protect his suddenly very capable & deep DBs. Even Bailey & the great surprises of the two rookies at CB can't cover for 5+ seconds on every pass play.

The only way I don't see DEN picking a WR & DE with their first two picks is if they generate another deal to get either Leinart or Cutler, or if a super-studly RB were to fall way too far in the draft, or if LenDale White falls to the #22 pick.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think that 2 months ago they thought they could get Chad Jackson at 22 without a problem. After the skills competition and combine, they realized they needed to move up to get him.

 

[redman]

I don't profess to be a Denver expert, but for those pooh-pooh'ing the idea of Denver grabbing a RB, keep in mind that there are two other teams in the bottom of the first round who are expected to snap up Maroney or White if they're there: Pittsburgh and Indy.

Those two teams are the primary competition Denver can expect to compete with into the AFC playoffs. Picking White would therefore have extra value.

That, plus the fact that they have another first rounder, gives them plenty of freedom to draft a RB. They certainly know what to do with any talented RB that they select.

 

[psychobillies]

I also think this may be a precursor to a Jet trade up with NO - the extra #1 gives the Jets more than enough pts for the #2 overall on the draft chart.  Maybe parameters are in place for a NO deal and they didn't need the #15 - would rather have the later picks.

Good call here. I have had it in my mind since NO signed Brees that somehow the Jets will move into that spot to grab Leinart. NO can slide down and still fill their need so it really costs them nothing. The Jets will badly want to move in front of Tenn to get Leinart. This just makes so much sense to me.

The more I think about it the more I think the Saints need D'Brick. Look at the defensive ends in the NFC South after this trade. Abraham/Kerney

Peppers/Ruckers

Rice/Spires

N.O. got a great right tackle prospect last year, and adding a young stud on the left seems almost crucial. The question become is D'Brick gonna be at the 4 spot if the Saints trade back.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't profess to be a Denver expert, but for those pooh-pooh'ing the idea of Denver grabbing a RB, keep in mind that there are two other teams in the bottom of the first round who are expected to snap up Maroney or White if they're there: Pittsburgh and Indy.

Those two teams are the primary competition Denver can expect to compete with into the AFC playoffs. Picking White would therefore have extra value.

That, plus the fact that they have another first rounder, gives them plenty of freedom to draft a RB. They certainly know what to do with any talented RB that they select.

I think everyone is enamored with Denver taking a back because it would be fantastic for FFB. I doubt Shanny plays the mind games with both the RB and Fantasy owners everywhere if they draft a guy that high. The problem is, what's good for FFB isn't necessarily good for Denver. I don't think the Broncos take a RB in the first, but I think they will take one on day 1. Instead of having to fill needs with a low first rounder and their other picks in subsequent rounds, they can grab impact players at 15 and 22 at other position and grab a RB in the 2nd. Do they have another 3rd after the trade to ATL?

 

[Sinrman]

Jets finally have a GM! Nice job holding out to get the #29 - even better than the Seattle pick.

I must say this was a very creative trade - not many 3 team deals in the NFL - kudos to all involved - every team did well.

Agreed

 

[jcjets]

More importantly why wouldn't the Jets trade a 3rd this year and a 4th next year to get Atlantas #15!! My bet is they thought Atlnata was bluffing and thought Abraham was worth their first round pick. Now they have only the 29th to show for Abraham, which is still good.

BUT

To move from the 29th pick in the first round to the 15th is a huge move, Any team would gladly give up a 3rd and a fourth to make that move. The Jets blew it and they should have left Denver out of the deal and given up their picks and Abraham for the #15. Brick at the #4 spot and Possibly Cutler at #15. BUT NO!!! We have a first year GM and a first year Head coach running things in NY land.

 

[brednbuddah]

More importantly why wouldn't the Jets trade a 3rd this year and a 4th next year to get Atlantas #15!! My bet is they thought Atlnata was bluffing and thought Abraham was worth their first round pick. Now they have only the 29th to show for Abraham, which is still good.

BUT

To move from the 29th pick in the first round to the 15th is a huge move, Any team would gladly give up a 3rd and a fourth to make that move. The Jets blew it and they should have left Denver out of the deal and given up their picks and Abraham for the #15. Brick at the #4 spot and Possibly Cutler at #15. BUT NO!!! We have a first year GM and a first year Head coach running things in NY land.

ok, now let's look at the glass as half full. have you taken a look at the OL prospects projected to be available at #29 and #35 overall? go ahead, I'll give you time. go check out the umpteen differenct mocks that have guys like Lutui, McNeil, Mangold, Winston, O'Callaghan projected at late first / early second.

You can forget about the Jets taking a QB in the first round. I gaurentee you the Jets take Mario Williams at #4 and then, unless someone completely falls out of the sky to them (D.Williams), take two of the half dozen top OL prospects available at #29 and #35.

nice job Jets!

ETA: compliment

 

[cstu]

Technically this wasn't a three-way deal. It's the Falcons making two trades.They trade to Denver: 15th pickThey get from Denver: 29th pick, 3rd round pick, 4th round pick in 2007They trade to NY: 29th pickThey get from NY: AbrahamFor my money, the second deal for the Falcons is pretty good, but the first one isn't very good. Denver made out pretty well.

Looking back at these trades the Falcons did pretty well:#15 (Broncos traded the pick and the #68 for the #10 to get Cutler) for Abraham, used the #93 pick from the Broncos to move up and get Jimmy Williams, and they have the 4th (#117) from the Broncos in this year's draft.They did give up the chance to take Addai at #29, but it allowed them to get a steal with Norwood at #79.