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I find it hard to believe that there's even the possibility that any RB could exceed the precedent of Jim Brown. 9 seasons, 9 pro bowls, 9 all pros, 3 MVPs, 5.2 career ypc, 104.3 career ypg, led the league in rushing 8 times in 9 years. Does anyone think there's even the remotest realistic possibility that Peterson could match those types of numbers?
Of course not. Adrian Peterson's wet behind the ears. I'd say he's disrespecting his position but I just know he doesn't know better. Because the guy is capable of having a super game, he thinks why can't it be every game. There's been a lot of great running backs before him and they didn't do it and most likely he won't either.
Absolutely. I'm not basing that comment on numbers, I'm basing it off of watching every snap he took this year. He ran into the rookie wall at then end of the year (which he won't do next year) but prior to that, he legitimately looked like he had the skill set to be the best ever. Let's not put him into Canton yet, but if you disagree that he has the potential to be the best ever you've just not seen enough of him. There's no doubt he's the best I've ever seen (not that that's really saying a whole lot).SSOG said:
I don't have a problem with Adrian Peterson being an APSuperfan as much as I have a problem with some of the footballguys being an APSuperfan. Players are supposed to think they're unstoppable, but fans should know better.
There's a massive chasm between "best I've ever seen" and "best ever" unless you've seen Jim Brown and Gale Sayers. Even saying that there's no doubt that Peterson is better than Peyton, Sanders, Tomlinson, or Faulk stretches the limits of my incredulity. Do you really mean that if you could draft 24-year old Adrian Peterson or 24-year old Barry Sanders, you'd take Adrian Peterson? If you could take 24-year old Marshall Faulk or 24-year old Peterson, you'd take Peterson? It's not like Peterson is the first RB with an amazing college career, an All-Pro rookie year, and unbelievable, unique talent. Heck, I'd take Sanders or Faulk over Peterson for the simple fact that Peterson does what everyone else does... he just does it much better, while Faulk and Sanders brought things to the table that no other back in the entire league brings to the table. As an offensive coordinator, the flexibility that either could bring to my offense would have me salivating.
He ran for 2 200 yard games in his first year. Has anyone else done that? It's unprecedented talent. Unprecedented talent can also have bad stretches in its rookie year, I don't know why you want to get hung up on that.
Cadillac Williams hit triple digits in each of his first 3 games. Has anyone else done that? It's unprecedented talent. Unprecedented talent can also have bad stretches in its rookie year, I don't know why you want to get hung up on that.
Aussie's just telling us he has no clue when it comes to AD's character.
NO.Jim Brown's numbers were RIDICULOUS. People talk about them compared to today's stats. Jim Browns averaged 104 yards per game. During his entire career, NO, other RB even averaged 95 yards / game for even ONE season! Jim Brown nearly doubled the second highest yard/game player in some years.
If there were some owners in my league thinking this guy is going to be better than the next Payton/Bo/LT/Sanders/Faulk, I'd be curious to see if they would offer what they truly think he's worth. Of course, it always depends on the depth of your team and the overall needs of your roster, but if somebody really thinks ADP is going to be a legend and they were willing to pay that price, I'd seriously consider what they would offer.Looks like a buy to me.
Disagreed. Whether he's the next Jim Brown or not, he's still the most talented young RB in the league and therefore the most valuable player in any dynasty setting. The problem with trying to trade a dynasty uberstud is very similar to the problem with trying to trade a superstar in the NBA- no matter what you get in return, it's not fair value. You could get a half dozen first rounders and still wind up on the losing end of the trade if none of those first rounders winds up becoming a #1 or #2 overall. Unless you find someone willing to give proven studs (and then some) in return, I can't see how you can move Peterson. Maybe if someone is offering S-Jax *AND* Colston or something to that effect, but the whole goal in Dynasty is to acquire players like Peterson and then ride them to championships, not acquire players like Peterson and then promptly sell them while trying to... replace them with other players who will hopefully be like Peterson.
LT just averaged over 113 yards a game in 2006. Even with his slow start this year, he averaged over 92. 2006 also had LJ going for 111+ per game, Gore nearly 106 yards per game, Barber just under 104 yards per game and SJax had 95.5 yards per game, to round out just the top 5, and this is just in the past 2 seasons.
The guy flew out his entire O-line (even the backups) to Hawaii with him for the ProBowl and paid for them. At the end of the game during his ProBowl MVP interview that he won, he gave them tons of credit. I think they know how much he appreciates them. So no, I don't think they are thinking "what you mean you AP?"
I just figured that I'd point out the folly in this statement.Anyone in NFL history who had more than 1600 yards in a season has averaged at least 100 yards/game for the season.
someone who averaged 150 yards/game would end up with 2400 yards in a season. That's ridiculous to even say "close". Someone who nabbed 2400 yards would far surpass anything Brown did.Also, Sweetness and Eric Dickerson both had seasons comparable with Jim Brown's best season in YPC, and 73 OJ obviously annihilated Brown's best by about 10 YPG.
You only bolded half of his sentence. Of course that statement is pure folly if you take it out of context. The original quote was "During [brown's] entire career, no other RB even averaged 95 yards / game for even ONE season". The key here is the "during his career". Yes, RBs might average 95 yards per game in 2006, but when last I checked, Brown wasn't still playing in 2006.
You're better than that, BNB.
ah, my fault. misunderstood.You only bolded half of his sentence. Of course that statement is pure folly if you take it out of context. The original quote was "During [brown's] entire career, no other RB even averaged 95 yards / game for even ONE season". The key here is the "during his career". Yes, RBs might average 95 yards per game in 2006, but when last I checked, Brown wasn't still playing in 2006.
Someone needs to explain away that stretch of games before I buy into 2K.You're better than that, BNB.
I don't disagree, but its really the 14 carry/3 yard game that kills things. AP got 3.5 ypc in the other 3 games.Granted, he won't be getting 571 carries, either.... I'd call the San Fran game a fluke. I would also posit that AP was playing at less than 100% in all those games after coming back (too quickly?) from his injury. Then there is the stacked line thing.I'm not trying to make the argument that AP is getting 2000 yards; that type of season occurs when talent meets a confluence of events. AP has the talent; Minny has the Oline; Minny might have a good D. Now Minny needs a passing game, and AP needs to remain healthy. Not sure either of the last two things will happen, much less both.We'll see what happens.Someone needs to explain away that stretch of games before I buy into 2K.You're better than that, BNB.
Do you really want me to do the same thing for his first stretch of games that also happens to be a larger sample size? Seriously, you pull out the last 4 games of the season of a rookie who came off an injury and point to his 2.67 ypc as proof he can't do it? Are you saying that's all he's good for is 2.67 ypc? Again, I don't think it's even necessary for me to post the same thing for his first 8 games (part of which he wasn't even the starter).As someone else pointed out, I'm not saying he's going to run for 2000 yds, but your above post is just silly and a pretty poor attempt at explaining why he'll never reach that mark.P.S.--Even with that horrible stretch, he STILL finished the year with a 5.6 YPC average with 238 carries. So, he could still do what he did and break 2000 yds with 357 carries. And yes, someone has approached 357 carries before.Someone needs to explain away that stretch of games before I buy into 2K.You're better than that, BNB.
He would need to run at a pace of the first 8 games for the entire season to sniff 2K (which is what this thread is about). He can't afford too many clunkers like those at the end of the year. What happened? 1) Teams adjusted and Minny will have to adapt. 2) AP was still injured. 3) AP wore down.Do you really want me to do the same thing for his first stretch of games that also happens to be a larger sample size? Seriously, you pull out the last 4 games of the season of a rookie who came off an injury and point to his 2.67 ypc as proof he can't do it? Are you saying that's all he's good for is 2.67 ypc? Again, I don't think it's even necessary for me to post the same thing for his first 8 games (part of which he wasn't even the starter).As someone else pointed out, I'm not saying he's going to run for 2000 yds, but your above post is just silly and a pretty poor attempt at explaining why he'll never reach that mark.P.S.--Even with that horrible stretch, he STILL finished the year with a 5.6 YPC average with 238 carries. So, he could still do what he did and break 2000 yds with 357 carries. And yes, someone has approached 357 carries before.Someone needs to explain away that stretch of games before I buy into 2K.You're better than that, BNB.
That's a different story and now resembles a response with some thought behind it. Yes, those are valid concerns and yes, he will have to run at the pace he did for the first 8 games of the year. I think it's pretty obvious that you need to have an incredible pace all year to get to 2000. But don't post a game log for 4 games and point out his 2.67 ypc during those 4 games and make a statement about him needing 749 carries to run for 2k as if that's what he would need to break 2k and thus making it impossible. That's why you got a few negative responses to your post because it really did nothing to explain why AP would or wouldn't have the chance to get to 2k yards. I do think part of it was that he was still injured, or at least suffering from the effects of it (even if it was just mental). I also think he did wear down a little, whether it was the "rookie wall" or not, I'm not sure. This next year will tell us a lot. I do know watching him in the ProBowl that he looked like his "old self" back in the 1st half of the season. The one that may be the most concerning is #1 that you pointed out and teams focusing on him. However, I really don't think that's what caused his lower production at the end of the year. It's not as if teams weren't focusing on him from pretty early on in the season.Anyway, I think if there's a RB in the league that can break 2k, especially given how good his O-line is, I think it's ADP. If I had to bet money that he would ever do it, I wouldn't even touch that as it's just not likely to happen. But, he certainly has the talent for it.He would need to run at a pace of the first 8 games for the entire season to sniff 2K (which is what this thread is about). He can't afford too many clunkers like those at the end of the year. What happened? 1) Teams adjusted and Minny will have to adapt. 2) AP was still injured. 3) AP wore down.Do you really want me to do the same thing for his first stretch of games that also happens to be a larger sample size? Seriously, you pull out the last 4 games of the season of a rookie who came off an injury and point to his 2.67 ypc as proof he can't do it? Are you saying that's all he's good for is 2.67 ypc? Again, I don't think it's even necessary for me to post the same thing for his first 8 games (part of which he wasn't even the starter).As someone else pointed out, I'm not saying he's going to run for 2000 yds, but your above post is just silly and a pretty poor attempt at explaining why he'll never reach that mark.P.S.--Even with that horrible stretch, he STILL finished the year with a 5.6 YPC average with 238 carries. So, he could still do what he did and break 2000 yds with 357 carries. And yes, someone has approached 357 carries before.Someone needs to explain away that stretch of games before I buy into 2K.You're better than that, BNB.
It's okay, I had to read that sentence three times before it made any sort of sense to me, too.ah, my fault. misunderstood.You only bolded half of his sentence. Of course that statement is pure folly if you take it out of context. The original quote was "During [brown's] entire career, no other RB even averaged 95 yards / game for even ONE season". The key here is the "during his career". Yes, RBs might average 95 yards per game in 2006, but when last I checked, Brown wasn't still playing in 2006.
WHY?!? 
Looks like a buy to me.
