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Adam Schefter reports Carolina RB's unavailable for trade (1 Viewer)
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Underachievers
Footballguy
If they are asking for no more than a 6th round pick in 2015...Ted Thompson may consider thinking about it.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
He will end up on your fightin' Buffalo Bills. Where he will get 6 carries a week in a RBBC with Fred Jackson and cj spiller.
yellowdog
Footballguy
Serious question: why wouldn't the Panthers trade Deangelo inasmuch as he will be a free agent following this season? Nobody knows if the Franchise Tag will be available with the new CBA. The team is 0-5, and going nowhere. They could trade him for a 2nd, maybe? Or lose him at the end of the year and get nothing. Is there a legitimate reason for holding on to him?
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
If they lose him through Free Agency, they could get as much as a 3rd rounder via compensatory selection.
Is this true? how?I am not doubting you, just curious.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yes Chargers got a 3rd for Brees and Turner this way IIRC
pantherclub
Footballguy
This post pretty much says it all.You should quit using logic when trying to figure out why the Panthers keep shooting themselves in the foot.
The problem I see, no one will give a 2nd rounder for him. Randy Moss was traded for a 3rd rounder and he is considered a top WR. If you compare their age, one can argue they are at the same lifeline for an nfl career. WRs longevity in the NFL is usually longer compared to a RB. I did not know CAR can get a compensatory pick if they do not pick up a free agent, which they won't because of Stewart. The only hurdle is the new CBA or whatever will happen. Based on this, I don't blame CAR for not trading him.
this is assuming that there is a second on teh table for him.
packersfan
Footballguy
Yup. The downside for the Panthers, though, is if there is an offer available (and Schefter reported Sunday that two unnamed teams contacted Carolina about Williams and Stewart) and you pass hoping on the compensatory pick you have to wait until 2012 to get it as opposed to getting a pick in next year's draft. That was one of the many mistakes the Chargers made when they turned down the VJax offer from the Vikings. Why wait an extra year to get compensation for a player you won't have next season?And that's not even taking into account the possibility that the compensatory system may not be part of the next CBA.I think the Panthers are in the same situation the Bills and Chargers were. They have a player they likely won't have long-term and one they can replace right now so they might as well get some value for him now while you can. I think the Bills made the right call with Lynch and the Chargers made the wrong call with Jackson. We'll see what the Panthers do but all indications at the moment are they won't be making a trade involving Williams.
yellowdog
Footballguy
There have been at least two teams inquire. Even if they are just offering a 3rd, why not take it? Even a 2011 4th is better than a POSSIBLE 2012 comp pick.
puckalicious
Footballguy
Moss schmoss, he has no bearing on this discussion just like Roy Williams being traded for a 1st rounder has no bearing on this either. I get tired of hearing these comparisons. A player will be traded for whatever Team A is willing to give and Team B is willing to take. I don't see how a team with a need at RB would not give a 2nd rounder for Deangelo. Seems like a bargain to me for a hard working talented RB, which of course all depends on CAR being able to pull their head out of their ####.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
No way GB gives up a 2nd rounder for DeAngelo
yellowdog
Footballguy
Who said anything about GB?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
what other contender needs a RB? NEpats? Indy? Saints? I dont see it.
gethugefast1
Footballguy
When is last day for trades?
yellowdog
Footballguy
Denver?
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
October 19th
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Agree as a runner, but does he have the receiving and pass-blocking skills to fit in that offense?
Black
Footballguy
Colts don't make that move.I thought there was another report from ESPN (maybe Shefter) that the feeling was CAR would re-sign DeAngelo. JStew is cheap, why not keep both? It's all they have while they develop a QB for the next two years.
yellowdog
Footballguy
I think DWill is too smart for that.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
why because he is on your Dynasty team??
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
As a Williams dynasty owner, of course I am hoping he gets traded.
But let's get real...
Why would Carolina trade Williams unless there's a blockbuster offer on the table? Stewart is a fantastic talent, but I just can't see Carolina getting rid of one of the best RBs in football when most teams need two good RBs to be successful.
But let's get real...
Why would Carolina trade Williams unless there's a blockbuster offer on the table? Stewart is a fantastic talent, but I just can't see Carolina getting rid of one of the best RBs in football when most teams need two good RBs to be successful.
packersfan
Footballguy
Because he may not be part of the team's long-term plans, you have a viable replacement already on the roster and getting compensation in the 2011 draft is arguably superior to hoping the compensatory system is in place so you receive a pick in the 2012 draft.
yellowdog
Footballguy
Do you think he will re-sign?
n20
Footballguy
I don't think D-Willy is too smart for that. In fact, he and Stewie are attached at the hip so I could see him wanting to stay... as long as he got paid. That's where I think things have changed for the Panthers. This regime has a lot vested in the 2 back rushing attack and it hasn't gotten them anywhere because the rest of the team is terrible. While this regime would be happy to resign D-Willy I think there will be a new regime in CAR who will use available resources to bring in players that can help the team outside of RB.
D-Willy will be a free agent after this year.
freakinback
Footballguy
Mike Goodson looks good as their 3rd back. I think they could trade Williams and be ok. Well as ok as the Panthers can be at this point.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I doubt DeAngelo is worth a 2nd to be honest. He will be a 28 year old free agent after this season. The track record of giving big money to RBs this age is very poor. (See Edgerrin James, Shaun Alexander) Add in the fact that you have to give up a draft choice, and its unpalatable for teams.
Any team interested could use their draft choice instead on a rookie RB, spend a fraction of the amount on him, and have a solid chance of getting a very good RB.
Some of the best RBs in the NFL were taken in RD 2. Ray Rice, MJD, LeSean McCoy all were recent 2nd rounders.
Any team interested could use their draft choice instead on a rookie RB, spend a fraction of the amount on him, and have a solid chance of getting a very good RB.
Some of the best RBs in the NFL were taken in RD 2. Ray Rice, MJD, LeSean McCoy all were recent 2nd rounders.
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
You make valid points (particularly on age and cost), but I think recent drafts might be skewing your opinion of 2nd round RBs. Not long ago, you have 2nd rounds full of guys like Kenny Irons, Chris Henry, Brian Leonard, Brandon Jackson, LenDale White, JJ Arrington, Eric Shelton, Tatum Bell, Julius Jones, Greg Jones, D Foster, Maurice Morris, Ladell Betts, etc. These aren't starter material let alone true difference makers like Deangelo who is among the best in NFL history in terms of YPC.If Williams was an average schmo, I'd TOTALLY buy what you are selling. But I don't think he is. He's easily worth a 2nd rounder to a team that is a dynamic RB away from being a true contender.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Keep in mind that although Deangelo is going to be 28, he has very little mileage on him as of yet. Thought Id point this out since he's being compared to Alexander and Edge, who at that point in their career had WAY more touches than Deangelo currently has
Long term plans? He's their best player and still fairly young.They need more guys like him not less.
n20
Footballguy
Another thing to consider is that there is speculation this year's class of college juniors may decide not to enter the NFL if a CBA isn't in place as we approach the draft. If that were the case I could see NFL GM's looking at the 2012 2nd round like they would the 3rd round any other year (talentwise). Of course, I don't think Marty Hurney is going to be their GM in 2011 so why would he take the draft pick for talent anyway?
Holy Schneikes
Footballguy
On the other hand, he was a real workhouse in college, with over 1000 touches. That's a ton for a college back. You might see the impact of those as slightly less than 1000 NFL touches, but I'm not sure you can totally discount them either if you looking strictly at workload.For the record, I'm a big believer in Williams.
packersfan
Footballguy
He's 27, their team stinks and they have a younger, cheaper backup who has performed exceptionally well as a starter. In my opinion, the smart thing to do is increase your chances to get more players as good as he is and the best way to do that is to add a draft pick or two. Trading Williams gives you the opportunity to do that.ETA - I think they should be looking to trade Steve Smith too. They need to blow this mess up and start from scratch with younger players.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Lash
Footballguy
he has both yesI for one would like to see an Indy offense with a talent like DeWill
There's a couple possible answers:1) They don't want to lose him and plan to re-sign him.2) They aren't sure what they have in Stewart, OR don't feel they can rely on Stewart. I know, this is blasphemy to the "Stewart is the GOAT" crowd, but it is a possibility.3) They are hoping compensatory picks will still be a part of the NFL when the new CBA gets worked out, and they will take a 3rd round comp pick4) They are hoping the franchise tag is still available and they will try to keep him using that5) They are hoping the frnachise tag is still available and they will try to franchise him, then trade him6) They don't know what they hell they are doing.
This isn't FF. Those guys are the face of the franchise. A franchise that is struggling. If you deal your two best players you become the Pittsburg Pirates. You're a farm system for the elite teams. The Panthers should TRADE FOR elite guys. Go after V-JACK. Bring guys in. You don't take the face of your franchise and have a fire sale. For a 2nd round pick. *lol* The Panthers don't need to "get value". When you deal a guy in FF you don't have to worry about selling tickets. He's the core of the team. They need QB help. Could use a WR. They need to build around him, not ship him out of town. A 2nd round pick. *lol* Yeah that will really boost ticket sales.
But that's your opinion. Maybe they feel that Stewart's inability to stay healthy despite a limited role doesn't bode well for his chances as the #1 RB.We don't know, and just because it makes FF sense to trade him since they have Stewart doesn't mean it makes real NFL sense to the Panthers to trade him.
solorca
Footballguy
It may be foolish, but I think that the Panthers honestly believe that they will find a way to keep Deangelo and Stewart, and they know that by trading him now, they wouldn't be in a good position to re-sign him.
From everything I've read, the Panthers have multiple contracts already prepared for many of their players...but they are waiting for some resolution on the labor deal first.
Personally, I don't think Deangelo will be back regardless...but I think that Hurney and company may have other thoughts.
From everything I've read, the Panthers have multiple contracts already prepared for many of their players...but they are waiting for some resolution on the labor deal first.
Personally, I don't think Deangelo will be back regardless...but I think that Hurney and company may have other thoughts.
packersfan
Footballguy
I'm aware this is fantasy football. I was talking about the state of their team. They have already pissed away Smith's best seasons and they are now running the risk of doing the same with Williams. A second-round pick may not boost ticket sales but how will going 3-13 or whatever the Panthers may go this season help with attendance. Maybe Panther homers can enlighten me but are people fired up about their team and its prospects for the rest of the season?It isn't easy trading good or very good players. But when your team is going nowhere perhaps the best course of action is to get value for your veterans and begin rebuilding. That would be my suggestion for the Panthers.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Carolina made it to the Super Bowl during Smith's career. Many WR's have not.Who is giving up a 2nd for a timeshare RB that needs a new contract? No one I'm guessing.Carolina could turn things relatively quickly with a better QB situation and another receiving threat.
