Addai Criticism and FWP Love...I just don't get it... (1 Viewer)

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm thinking of taking Addai just in case he does blow up so I can spend all my time on the board here screaming Nanny-Nanny-Boo-Boo at all the naysayers.Addai is at the center of the storm.

You don't have to actually draft a player to scream at all the naysayers. There's never any shortage of I told you so-ers in here.

Very true, but then I would be kicking myself for having not taking him while I was nanny-nanny-boo-booing.

 

[The Jerk]

I'm thinking of taking Addai just in case he does blow up so I can spend all my time on the board here screaming Nanny-Nanny-Boo-Boo at all the naysayers.Addai is at the center of the storm.

You don't have to actually draft a player to scream at all the naysayers. There's never any shortage of I told you so-ers in here.

Very true, but then I would be kicking myself for having not taking him while I was nanny-nanny-boo-booing.

This could get complicated. At some point you'll face the very real possibility of nanny-nanny-boo-booing yourself. And by the way, that's almost as hard to type as Houshmandzadeh.

 

[JimboJim]

When was the last time a Colt's RB had top5 production in the touchdown department? Edgerrin James scored 13 rushing TDs in his heyday in Indy, pre-ACL. Think about that one. The Colt's just don't run the ball enough at the stripe. They almost never use a fullback or creative "Big" packages at the goalline. And why would they? They have Harrison. And Wayne. And a s-load of other random players that Peyton Manning can make look like an ALL-PRO on any given play. It's as simple as that.For me, Addai's upside is Deuce McAllister back before he had the injuries and before Reggie was drafted. The key word in that sentence: UPSIDE. Deuce was a top5 pick because he had scored a lot of TDs in the past, he could be counted on to grab those 2,000+ yards, again because he had done it before, and people were just hoping he could put it all together in one season. Addai is close to that guy.. RIGHT NOW? He's a roll of the dice! Talk about a consensus gamble pick. Addai is almost like a Reggie Bush-lite to me. Everyone looks at the year-end stats and salivates thinking of what he can do in a fulltime position. I'll admit, that Addai is in a much different situation that Bush, but is this guy that different? I see many other players who are either safer or have a higher upside than Addai at #4 in the draft. For a rookie RBBC player, a Top10 ranking and 1400/8 sure looks good on paper, until you consider that Addai scored in only FIVE games last year. The guy was RB#20 in PPG. Do I even need to go into the history of guys moving from RBBC to a full-time gig and seeing a decrease in effectiveness?#1 I hope Addai is made of steel. He is going to need a lot of carries and by a lot I mean a TON to produce top5 numbers with the TD prospects in Indy.#2 He's gonna need to be very productive from his massive amount of carries. 1500 is bare minimum IMO if this guy is going to crack the top5. Think Frank Gore last year.#3 He better be extremely effective in the passing game. He caught 40 passes last year, but he's gonna need to catch 60+ this year to rank top5 IMO (500 yards). Can Indy really support a Steven Jackson in the passing game? I find it hard to believe.I'm sorry, but if we're talking top5 pick overall, you follow the TDs. It's that simple.

The Colts finished 6th best during the regular season last year with 17 rushing TDs.Manning - 4Addai - 7Rhodes - 5I don't see why it would be impossible for Addai to hit 10+ rushing with Rhodes out of the picture. Plus, Manning's 4 rushing TDs were his first since 2002.Look at Addai/Rhodes' combined stats from last season:413 ru att1722 ru yds12 ru TDs76 rec576 rec yds1 rec TDIf Addai can shoulder 75% of that load, he's looking at 1700 total yards and 10TDs.With the potential for even better numbers in the Colts offense, I'd take that all day long with a top 5 pick.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

I'm thinking of taking Addai just in case he does blow up so I can spend all my time on the board here screaming Nanny-Nanny-Boo-Boo at all the naysayers.Addai is at the center of the storm.

You don't have to actually draft a player to scream at all the naysayers. There's never any shortage of I told you so-ers in here.

Very true, but then I would be kicking myself for having not taking him while I was nanny-nanny-boo-booing.

This could get complicated. At some point you'll face the very real possibility of nanny-nanny-boo-booing yourself. And by the way, that's almost as hard to type as Houshmandzadeh.

It is complicated, and been there done that. Nothing crushes more than picking the busts in the first 3 rounds. It's often cost me the difference between a nice finish and the title.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

When was the last time a Colt's RB had top5 production in the touchdown department? Edgerrin James scored 13 rushing TDs in his heyday in Indy, pre-ACL. Think about that one. The Colt's just don't run the ball enough at the stripe. They almost never use a fullback or creative "Big" packages at the goalline. And why would they? They have Harrison. And Wayne. And a s-load of other random players that Peyton Manning can make look like an ALL-PRO on any given play. It's as simple as that.

For me, Addai's upside is Deuce McAllister back before he had the injuries and before Reggie was drafted. The key word in that sentence: UPSIDE. Deuce was a top5 pick because he had scored a lot of TDs in the past, he could be counted on to grab those 2,000+ yards, again because he had done it before, and people were just hoping he could put it all together in one season. Addai is close to that guy.. RIGHT NOW? He's a roll of the dice! Talk about a consensus gamble pick.

Addai is almost like a Reggie Bush-lite to me. Everyone looks at the year-end stats and salivates thinking of what he can do in a fulltime position. I'll admit, that Addai is in a much different situation that Bush, but is this guy that different? I see many other players who are either safer or have a higher upside than Addai at #4 in the draft. For a rookie RBBC player, a Top10 ranking and 1400/8 sure looks good on paper, until you consider that Addai scored in only FIVE games last year. The guy was RB#20 in PPG. Do I even need to go into the history of guys moving from RBBC to a full-time gig and seeing a decrease in effectiveness?

#1 I hope Addai is made of steel. He is going to need a lot of carries and by a lot I mean a TON to produce top5 numbers with the TD prospects in Indy.

#2 He's gonna need to be very productive from his massive amount of carries. 1500 is bare minimum IMO if this guy is going to crack the top5. Think Frank Gore last year.

#3 He better be extremely effective in the passing game. He caught 40 passes last year, but he's gonna need to catch 60+ this year to rank top5 IMO (500 yards). Can Indy really support a Steven Jackson in the passing game? I find it hard to believe.

I'm sorry, but if we're talking top5 pick overall, you follow the TDs. It's that simple.

The Colts finished 6th best during the regular season last year with 17 rushing TDs.Manning - 4

Addai - 7

Rhodes - 5

I don't see why it would be impossible for Addai to hit 10+ rushing with Rhodes out of the picture. Plus, Manning's 4 rushing TDs were his first since 2002.

Look at Addai/Rhodes' combined stats from last season:

413 ru att

1722 ru yds

12 ru TDs

76 rec

576 rec yds

1 rec TD

If Addai can shoulder 75% of that load, he's looking at 1700 total yards and 10TDs.

With the potential for even better numbers in the Colts offense, I'd take that all day long with a top 5 pick.

But this thread is comparing Addai to FWP. FWP already has a season under his belt with 1700 yards and 16 TDs, so by what logic would you take Addai over FWP?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

When was the last time a Colt's RB had top5 production in the touchdown department? Edgerrin James scored 13 rushing TDs in his heyday in Indy, pre-ACL. Think about that one. The Colt's just don't run the ball enough at the stripe. They almost never use a fullback or creative "Big" packages at the goalline. And why would they? They have Harrison. And Wayne. And a s-load of other random players that Peyton Manning can make look like an ALL-PRO on any given play. It's as simple as that.For me, Addai's upside is Deuce McAllister back before he had the injuries and before Reggie was drafted. The key word in that sentence: UPSIDE. Deuce was a top5 pick because he had scored a lot of TDs in the past, he could be counted on to grab those 2,000+ yards, again because he had done it before, and people were just hoping he could put it all together in one season. Addai is close to that guy.. RIGHT NOW? He's a roll of the dice! Talk about a consensus gamble pick. Addai is almost like a Reggie Bush-lite to me. Everyone looks at the year-end stats and salivates thinking of what he can do in a fulltime position. I'll admit, that Addai is in a much different situation that Bush, but is this guy that different? I see many other players who are either safer or have a higher upside than Addai at #4 in the draft. For a rookie RBBC player, a Top10 ranking and 1400/8 sure looks good on paper, until you consider that Addai scored in only FIVE games last year. The guy was RB#20 in PPG. Do I even need to go into the history of guys moving from RBBC to a full-time gig and seeing a decrease in effectiveness?#1 I hope Addai is made of steel. He is going to need a lot of carries and by a lot I mean a TON to produce top5 numbers with the TD prospects in Indy.#2 He's gonna need to be very productive from his massive amount of carries. 1500 is bare minimum IMO if this guy is going to crack the top5. Think Frank Gore last year.#3 He better be extremely effective in the passing game. He caught 40 passes last year, but he's gonna need to catch 60+ this year to rank top5 IMO (500 yards). Can Indy really support a Steven Jackson in the passing game? I find it hard to believe.I'm sorry, but if we're talking top5 pick overall, you follow the TDs. It's that simple.

great stuff from the pool here. im in the addai camp and this is enough to make me take another hard look. i had edge the year that manning threw for 49 scores. one very minor thing is that Manning had 4 rushing scores last year and that will not happen again. but i think we will see more activity out of the WR3 (Gonzales) and TE (healthy Clark et al) than last year.outstanding posting..

 

[nygiants56]

Seems that FBG loves FWP but criticizes Addai for never having carried the load before...If I remember correctly FWP never really got a chance to carry the load before either...so why all the criticism for Addai over this?

well, Addai did lose Tarik Glenn to retirement, that simply cannot be overlooked.Combine that with his lack or touches per year ( comparable to what he's expected to receive this season - 300+ ) and I think its a fair assessment to be somewhat skeptical of Addai going forward.and conversely, the love for FWP is mainly due to his decent production as a starting RB last season, and the notion that Pitt is a run-first team..I guess many people view Indy as a pass-first team,whereas Pitt will always be known for a run-first offense..But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers..I personally would take Addai over FWP, but I'm not real high on either..I'd just as soon pass and go onto another player or another position than pick one of these guys..

 

[zamboni]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

 

[The Jerk]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.For fantasy players, having a bad defense is usually a plus, just not if it ends up giving the Colts offense 2-3 fewer offensive series per game.

 

[zamboni]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.For fantasy players, having a bad defense is usually a plus, just not if it ends up giving the Colts offense 2-3 fewer offensive series per game.

Good point, although Manning has shown that he doesn't need to much time to complete a successful drive if need be. He gets them down the field in no time.

 

[The Jerk]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.For fantasy players, having a bad defense is usually a plus, just not if it ends up giving the Colts offense 2-3 fewer offensive series per game.

Good point, although Manning has shown that he doesn't need to much time to complete a successful drive if need be. He gets them down the field in no time.

You'll get no argument here on your point, but that's not what I'm referring to in my post. I'm talking about the Colts only possesing the ball 8 times in a game instead of 10. All things equal, that's going to lower their stats, maybe not literally 20%, but something close to that. And if I'm an opponent facing that offense, I'm going to try to have a lot of 12-play 6-minute drives to keep my defense fresh and the Colts offense on the bench.I'm not going to back off of drafting Colts because of this; however, if it's close between Addai and some other back, I'd give it a little bit of weight.

 

[pizzatyme]

Easy to understand .Addai was nt even the best Rb in Indy last season.

I might suggest you actually try watching a game or two. This statement is either fishing or you don't have a clue.Either way Addai is a star in the making. Rhodes was a better than average backup.

I wouldn't call Addai a star in the making. He's more of a guy that happens to be in a great situation.

That's what they said the year before Edge went off for the Colts. Watch the guy run, just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't a great back. He's not Emmitt, but he has similar qualities and setup.

 

[The Jerk]

Easy to understand .Addai was nt even the best Rb in Indy last season.

I might suggest you actually try watching a game or two. This statement is either fishing or you don't have a clue.Either way Addai is a star in the making. Rhodes was a better than average backup.

I wouldn't call Addai a star in the making. He's more of a guy that happens to be in a great situation.

That's what they said the year before Edge went off for the Colts. Watch the guy run, just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't a great back. He's not Emmitt, but he has similar qualities and setup.

I'll take an average back in a great situation over a great back in an average situation nearly every time. Think what Larry Johnson could do on the Colts, but because of their relative situations, Johnson and Addai are not very far from each other in production expectations.

 

[TheFanatic]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.For fantasy players, having a bad defense is usually a plus, just not if it ends up giving the Colts offense 2-3 fewer offensive series per game.

Logically that makes sense. On paper that makes sense. But in reality it doesn't. See, the Colts have never had a good D. In fact they have always had a bad D except in the playoffs last year. Show me a time in the last 8 years or so when they have been an anemic offense? They may have a bad D but a very prolific and efficient O. As long as Manning is there, that will continue to be the case....

 

[The Jerk]

But, one bigger problem surrounding Addai is the Indy defense. its atrocious. It could be one of the 10 worst defenses in the NFL this season. If that happens, Manning will need to throw for 40+ TDs to keep the Colts competitive. that should seriously damage Addai's chances of posting top 5 RB numbers

Even if the Indy defense is bad, Addai will still likely be heavily involved in the passing game. He's quite good at that aspect of the job.

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.For fantasy players, having a bad defense is usually a plus, just not if it ends up giving the Colts offense 2-3 fewer offensive series per game.

Logically that makes sense. On paper that makes sense. But in reality it doesn't. See, the Colts have never had a good D. In fact they have always had a bad D except in the playoffs last year. Show me a time in the last 8 years or so when they have been an anemic offense? They may have a bad D but a very prolific and efficient O. As long as Manning is there, that will continue to be the case....

I think it has in some individual games, but I mostly agree with you.Notice I said IF it happens, not that it has or will happen.No big deal...

 

[switz]

FWP does have a 300+ carry season under his belt and was able to stay healthy. Addai has not had a 300+ carry season yet and did go through some injuries last year, so I think that could be why people would prefer Parker over Addai.

Do you realize that including the postseason Addai had 302 carries last season? He totalled 364 touches. And stayed healthy.What injuries did he have last year? Here I'll help. Important thing to notice: Days Out - ZERO.

In contrast, or in comparison

Some quick math here:So in 20 games last year, including the postseason, we see that Addai had:

302/1375/9, 62/443/1

241.8 fantasy points

equivalent to RB#8 last year

365 touches is considered decent for a featured RB correct? Then consider that Addai had Rhodes to lean on and take breathers from whenever he wanted throughout the year. Is it a surprise that other players who did what he did in 16 games (in 17 weeks) instead of 20(in 25 weeks), would have more injuries?

RBBC != featured RB

Point is, he didn't miss any time He also had over 300 carries

But I love your attempt to spin it

 

[The Jerk]

FWP does have a 300+ carry season under his belt and was able to stay healthy. Addai has not had a 300+ carry season yet and did go through some injuries last year, so I think that could be why people would prefer Parker over Addai.

Do you realize that including the postseason Addai had 302 carries last season? He totalled 364 touches. And stayed healthy.What injuries did he have last year? Here I'll help. Important thing to notice: Days Out - ZERO.

In contrast, or in comparison

Some quick math here:So in 20 games last year, including the postseason, we see that Addai had:

302/1375/9, 62/443/1

241.8 fantasy points

equivalent to RB#8 last year

365 touches is considered decent for a featured RB correct? Then consider that Addai had Rhodes to lean on and take breathers from whenever he wanted throughout the year. Is it a surprise that other players who did what he did in 16 games (in 17 weeks) instead of 20(in 25 weeks), would have more injuries?

RBBC != featured RB

Point is, he didn't miss any time He also had over 300 carries

But I love your attempt to spin it

The truth is somewhere in between your two positions.He had over 300 carries and 360 touches, comparable to many main RBs.

He averaged 15 carries and 18 touches per game, less than most main RBs and more conducive to staying healthy.

Sometimes it isn't necessary for one person to be wrong for another to be right. You both make good points.

 

[Keith Lewis]

Easy to understand .Addai was nt even the best Rb in Indy last season.

I might suggest you actually try watching a game or two. This statement is either fishing or you don't have a clue.Either way Addai is a star in the making. Rhodes was a better than average backup.

I wouldn't call Addai a star in the making. He's more of a guy that happens to be in a great situation.

That's what they said the year before Edge went off for the Colts. Watch the guy run, just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't a great back. He's not Emmitt, but he has similar qualities and setup.

I'll take an average back in a great situation over a great back in an average situation nearly every time. Think what Larry Johnson could do on the Colts, but because of their relative situations, Johnson and Addai are not very far from each other in production expectations.

Strange that LJ and Addai are in the same sentence. Let's see here:LJ 2200 yards, 19 TDSJA 1400 yards, 8 TDSLJ Lost SheildsJA Lost GlennI just don't see how it's a discussion, call me crazy.

 

[Keith Lewis]

LJ getting disrespected

 

[Soaring Eagle]

Gore has been going 3 or 4 in some league

he has 2000+ total yards and 9 tds last year

Addai had 1400+ total yards and 8 tds in part time...

Addai is in an explosive offense...How can he not be mentioned in the same breath as Gore and FWP?

I think Addai will be talked about in the top 3 next year...

 

[Keith Lewis]

Gore has been going 3 or 4 in some leaguehe has 2000+ total yards and 9 tds last yearAddai had 1400+ total yards and 8 tds in part time...Addai is in an explosive offense...How can he not be mentioned in the same breath as Gore and FWP?I think Addai will be talked about in the top 3 next year...

I think Maroney will be talked about top 3 next year, not sure about Addai.

 

[pizzatyme]

Easy to understand .Addai was nt even the best Rb in Indy last season.

I might suggest you actually try watching a game or two. This statement is either fishing or you don't have a clue.Either way Addai is a star in the making. Rhodes was a better than average backup.

I wouldn't call Addai a star in the making. He's more of a guy that happens to be in a great situation.

That's what they said the year before Edge went off for the Colts. Watch the guy run, just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't a great back. He's not Emmitt, but he has similar qualities and setup.

I'll take an average back in a great situation over a great back in an average situation nearly every time. Think what Larry Johnson could do on the Colts, but because of their relative situations, Johnson and Addai are not very far from each other in production expectations.

Strange that LJ and Addai are in the same sentence. Let's see here:LJ 2200 yards, 19 TDSJA 1400 yards, 8 TDSLJ Lost SheildsJA Lost GlennI just don't see how it's a discussion, call me crazy.

Wow, how incomplete is that picture? Addai split carries by design last year. LJ was playing for a big contract.Shields is a great run blocker.Glenn was not a great run blocker. Most of the Colts run yardage was on the right side with the stretch play. I'm too lazy to look up the stats, so maybe someone can prove me wrong there?!LJ comes down and Addai moves up, why is that so hard to see? I'm not saying Addai will equal LJ's #s, but I'll bet it's closer than most might think!

 

[kensat30]

FWP does have a 300+ carry season under his belt and was able to stay healthy. Addai has not had a 300+ carry season yet and did go through some injuries last year, so I think that could be why people would prefer Parker over Addai.

Do you realize that including the postseason Addai had 302 carries last season? He totalled 364 touches. And stayed healthy.What injuries did he have last year? Here I'll help. Important thing to notice: Days Out - ZERO.

In contrast, or in comparison

Some quick math here:So in 20 games last year, including the postseason, we see that Addai had:

302/1375/9, 62/443/1

241.8 fantasy points

equivalent to RB#8 last year

365 touches is considered decent for a featured RB correct? Then consider that Addai had Rhodes to lean on and take breathers from whenever he wanted throughout the year. Is it a surprise that other players who did what he did in 16 games (in 17 weeks) instead of 20(in 25 weeks), would have more injuries?

RBBC != featured RB

Point is, he didn't miss any time He also had over 300 carries

But I love your attempt to spin it

Dominic Rhodes had 250 carries and he didn't miss any time either.

 

[The Jerk]

Easy to understand .Addai was nt even the best Rb in Indy last season.

I might suggest you actually try watching a game or two. This statement is either fishing or you don't have a clue.Either way Addai is a star in the making. Rhodes was a better than average backup.

I wouldn't call Addai a star in the making. He's more of a guy that happens to be in a great situation.

That's what they said the year before Edge went off for the Colts. Watch the guy run, just because he isn't flashy, doesn't mean he isn't a great back. He's not Emmitt, but he has similar qualities and setup.

I'll take an average back in a great situation over a great back in an average situation nearly every time. Think what Larry Johnson could do on the Colts, but because of their relative situations, Johnson and Addai are not very far from each other in production expectations.

Strange that LJ and Addai are in the same sentence. Let's see here:LJ 2200 yards, 19 TDSJA 1400 yards, 8 TDSLJ Lost SheildsJA Lost GlennI just don't see how it's a discussion, call me crazy.

At the very least, you need to acknowledge the sentence, specifically the "not very far from each other in production expectations" part.Depending on your scoring system, Johnson and Addai are often listed close to each other in the positional rankings. Look no further than our beloved FBG experts. Of the 14 most recent expert rankings, exactly half have Addai within two spots of Johnson in the rankings. Every one of the experts has Johnson higher than Addai, and I completely agree. However, I believe NOT VERY FAR FROM EACH OTHER is a fair way to characterize rankings that are either one or two places apart. I won't be drafting Addai before Johnson, but I would be surprised to find him fall more than 4-5 spots behind Johnson in many leagues.

 

[kensat30]

Gore has been going 3 or 4 in some leaguehe has 2000+ total yards and 9 tds last yearAddai had 1400+ total yards and 8 tds in part time...Addai is in an explosive offense...How can he not be mentioned in the same breath as Gore and FWP?I think Addai will be talked about in the top 3 next year...

Because Gore actually has a season under his belt when he led his conference in rushing? 1695 yards to be exact. RUSHING. And I'd LOVE to see you try to make an argument that Addai is a better receiver out of the backfield than Gore is. Gore is one of a number of RBs that should be taken ahead of Addai this year. Everyone high on Addai seems to be wearing rose-colored dynasty glasses to me with the top3 next year talk.

 

[kensat30]

Gore has been going 3 or 4 in some leaguehe has 2000+ total yards and 9 tds last yearAddai had 1400+ total yards and 8 tds in part time...Addai is in an explosive offense...How can he not be mentioned in the same breath as Gore and FWP?I think Addai will be talked about in the top 3 next year...

I think Maroney will be talked about top 3 next year, not sure about Addai.

Yet Maroney is drafted at the end of the first, while Addai is being talked up as an early 1st. Go figure.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.

As we all know the defense helped them finally get past NE and stroll over the Bears. However, I seen to recall that even if the few years prior to last year, the Colts offensive production was OK.

 

[The Jerk]

The bigger problem is that if the Indy run defense is bad, opponents will try to shorten the game with long mostly running drives. This hurts the value of all Colts offensive players, not just Addai.

As we all know the defense helped them finally get past NE and stroll over the Bears. However, I seen to recall that even if the few years prior to last year, the Colts offensive production was OK.

I did indeed say the above quote, although you might note the IF part... but in the interest of full disclosure, I also wrote this 7 minutes later:

I'm not going to back off of drafting Colts because of this; however, if it's close between Addai and some other back, I'd give it a little bit of weight.

 

[Koya]

How would you compare Gore and Addai? I'm leaning towards taking Addai at #4 tonight, simply because of Gore's injury history and current broken hand. Both should have very solid seasons, but I like Addai's situation better.

From what I've heard, Gore is very close to 100% right now and will certainly be OK when the season starts. Over the past week, I've been thinking about this quite a bit, and for me, the choice would be Gore. He has the bigger upside, but he's got to stay healthy and score a few more TDs than last season. Everyone just automatically assumes that Addai's RBBC production can be prorated up by 50% to become 2100 yards and 12 TDs. Well, that Philly Swiss cheese run defense that gave Addai 4 TDs isn't on the schedule, and Indy's OL was terrible in short yardage in 2006 and just lost Tarik Glenn. It's not that Addi couldn't get those numbers or even more, it's just that he hasn't done it, and it's no more risk to assume Gore stays healthy than it is to assume Addai can stay healthy AND productive with the bigger workload.If Gore doesn't fumble a few times and then get pulled early in the year at the goal line, we're not likely having this discussion.Personally, I'm debating LJ vs. Gore vs. Alexander, all in the same group. Addai and Parker are close, but at least today, they're behind this trio.I think league scoring will determine the exact order. Heavy TD leagues would favor LJ and Alexander, PPR would favor Gore.

I had the option of Gore, Addai and Parker. I took Parker. While Gore and Addai's ceiling is higher, especially Gore, they both have more risk of not meeting their numbers, imo. Gore is always nicked. It concerns me. Addai has yet to do it for a full season and although I think he will do very well, I see him disappointing a little even without being a bust.Parker seems to be the safest here and while Gores ceiling may be higher, in the first round (mid to latter if you get Parker, usually) then you can take a little more risk in the 2nd where an upside guy matched with a solid #1 pick can really give you an edge.If you take some more risk with a Gore, and in the second go WR (or qb, maybe a 2 qb league) then when Portis comes in the third that is a LOT of risk. If you have a guy you feel you can depend on at #1 (always some risk) then you have more ability to assume risk where a 3rd rd. pick IF they reach their upside can really do damage.

 

[The Jerk]

I had the option of Gore, Addai and Parker. I took Parker. While Gore and Addai's ceiling is higher, especially Gore, they both have more risk of not meeting their numbers, imo. Gore is always nicked. It concerns me. Addai has yet to do it for a full season and although I think he will do very well, I see him disappointing a little even without being a bust.Parker seems to be the safest here and while Gores ceiling may be higher, in the first round (mid to latter if you get Parker, usually) then you can take a little more risk in the 2nd where an upside guy matched with a solid #1 pick can really give you an edge.If you take some more risk with a Gore, and in the second go WR (or qb, maybe a 2 qb league) then when Portis comes in the third that is a LOT of risk. If you have a guy you feel you can depend on at #1 (always some risk) then you have more ability to assume risk where a 3rd rd. pick IF they reach their upside can really do damage.

Thanks, Koya.Standard scoring? PPR?Also, what was your slot? LT, SJ, LJ all gone, I assume. Did you consider Alexander? (Sorry if you already addressed this...)

 

[Koya]

I had the option of Gore, Addai and Parker. I took Parker. While Gore and Addai's ceiling is higher, especially Gore, they both have more risk of not meeting their numbers, imo. Gore is always nicked. It concerns me. Addai has yet to do it for a full season and although I think he will do very well, I see him disappointing a little even without being a bust.Parker seems to be the safest here and while Gores ceiling may be higher, in the first round (mid to latter if you get Parker, usually) then you can take a little more risk in the 2nd where an upside guy matched with a solid #1 pick can really give you an edge.If you take some more risk with a Gore, and in the second go WR (or qb, maybe a 2 qb league) then when Portis comes in the third that is a LOT of risk. If you have a guy you feel you can depend on at #1 (always some risk) then you have more ability to assume risk where a 3rd rd. pick IF they reach their upside can really do damage.

Thanks, Koya.Standard scoring? PPR?Also, what was your slot? LT, SJ, LJ all gone, I assume. Did you consider Alexander? (Sorry if you already addressed this...)

This was a start 2 QB, 2 RB, 2WR league, .5 PPR for WR/TE only.I drafted 6th. Manning went #2, so five other backs went - LT2, S Jax, S Alex, LJ. I had choice of Parker, Addai or Gore basically. I can see an arguement for any of them. Almost interchangeable. Heck even Rudi can be considered with the sounds of him being quicker in camp, catching the ball and no backup to speak of. If you want upside, Id go Gore. If you want upside with some safety and you dont need to have seen it before, Addai. I think Parker is a nice safe pick with plenty of upside.

 

[switz]

FWP does have a 300+ carry season under his belt and was able to stay healthy. Addai has not had a 300+ carry season yet and did go through some injuries last year, so I think that could be why people would prefer Parker over Addai.

Do you realize that including the postseason Addai had 302 carries last season? He totalled 364 touches. And stayed healthy.What injuries did he have last year? Here I'll help. Important thing to notice: Days Out - ZERO.

In contrast, or in comparison

Some quick math here:So in 20 games last year, including the postseason, we see that Addai had:

302/1375/9, 62/443/1

241.8 fantasy points

equivalent to RB#8 last year

365 touches is considered decent for a featured RB correct? Then consider that Addai had Rhodes to lean on and take breathers from whenever he wanted throughout the year. Is it a surprise that other players who did what he did in 16 games (in 17 weeks) instead of 20(in 25 weeks), would have more injuries?

RBBC != featured RB

Point is, he didn't miss any time He also had over 300 carries

But I love your attempt to spin it

Dominic Rhodes had 250 carries and he didn't miss any time either.

So what? That doesn't have anything to do with Addai staying healthy with 300+ carries.The OP said FWP had a 300 carry season and stayed healthy, while Addai hadn't had a 300 carry season but got dinged. I pointed out that Addai did indeed have over 300 carries last season, and never missed time "dinged."

What you are arguing does nothing to take away from those points.

 

[bcr8f]

I don't know itf it is truly criticism or cautiousness. I feel that Addai is a very talented player but I don't want to spend an early pick (ie first round) on a guy who may not be able to carry thew load of a go-to RB. Last year I felt the same about FWP.Someone very wise once said..."You can't win your league in the first 3 rounds but you sure can lose it". This quote refers to situations just like this.

The leagues I'm in that cautiousness costs you wins.