Addai - Keith RBBC ! (1 Viewer)

[The Moz]

Worst fear of all Addai owners just happened. Keith having a breakout all world day. I would not be shocked if Dungy to keep his backfield healthy will give a 60/40 addai split after the bye. for fantasy but might be the right thing for their team.

:(

 

[Shermanator]

NO

 

[drdgreenlove]

Double Addai owner here.. you are absolutely correct,

RBBC all the way...

 

[mlball77]

Keith has potentially earned a good deal more touches with today's game... but I think 40% might be a bit much. Just a guess on my part.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Wrong.

No more then Turner and LT are now a RBBC.

KK was going to earn more carries anyhow. He needed to get up to speed.

But this wont be a full blown RBBC. Addai will continue to get 20-25 touches a game.

As I stated in the other thread, he didnt do anything when the game was close. 2ypc.

 

[gman8343]

I'd think Addai would get 70-80 %, Keith will give him a breather. Don't think it'll be RBBC.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Whoopee.

Pitt may as well call their's an RBBC as well.

Giants have one now for sure.

Everybody's got one.

 

[PantherPower]

did you guys saying NO RBBC not watch the Colts last year? I'm betting it IS RBBC, as that served the Colts VERY well last year...

 

[Avery]

Wrong.



No more then Turner and LT are now a RBBC.

KK was going to earn more carries anyhow. He needed to get up to speed.

But this wont be a full blown RBBC. Addai will continue to get 20-25 touches a game.

Your conclusion may be right, but your comparison couldn't be more wrong.

 

[ImTheScientist]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

 

[Ned]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

 

[zamboni]

Before we extol the virtues of Keith too much, let's not forget he had roughly a 3ish YPC before the 4th quarter when Tampa seemingly threw in the towel.

That's not to say that Keith won't get more touches - no doubt, he will - but Addai still brings a solid all-around game to the offense.

I'm guessing 70/30 carries in favor of Addai, although the goal line duty may be a bit unclear.

 

[Football Jones]

It won't be anywhere near a RBBC. No more so than when Edge was there. They went with a RBBC last year because their best back was a rookie. The offense is complicated & they obviously felt they had to do that. Not so this season. RBBC is so overrated it's not even funny.

 

[TheLastDispatch]

Wrong.



No more then Turner and LT are now a RBBC.

KK was going to earn more carries anyhow. He needed to get up to speed.

But this wont be a full blown RBBC. Addai will continue to get 20-25 touches a game.

Your conclusion may be right, but your comparison couldn't be more wrong.

 

[Native]

Addai owner here - wouldnt surprise me at all to see some kind of RBBC down the stretch. Maybe not 50/50 but 65/3 for sure. Addai runs very hard and takes a lot of hits. Makes perfect sense. Argh.

 

[One]

its the system and not the back.

Precisely. The Indy RBs are interchangeable.

 

[elcohiba]

I'm starting Keith and Morris over Portis and Maroney

 

[ImTheScientist]

This situation is much like the Pats. They have one goal in mind and its not pounding one RB into the ground to win your fantasy team a championship This does not mean that Addai is useless so no need to get defensive Addai owner. For a good break down of how the carries will break down see the Patriots for weeks 1-3.

Addai will see 15-20 and KK will see 10-15 w/ both getting chances for TD's

 

[BigSteelThrill]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

 

[joffer]

70:30

 

[ImTheScientist]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Im not. They count. He will get (he earned) more touches and get more faith from the team.

But this isnt RBBC, at all. Expect more garbage time touches when the score allows.

 

[thayman]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

When it comes to FF yardage is yardage.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

It makes Addai owners who missed Keith on the WW feel better. Taking plays away makes for good analysis. By the way, if you take away Randy Moss' touchdowns, he's not scoring enough.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...

He took a full bore helmet to the chest as he was bracketed by two other defenders. Its his chest. Maybe a rib issue? Possible.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

It makes Addai owners who missed Keith on the WW feel better. Taking plays away makes for good analysis. By the way, if you take away Randy Moss' touchdowns, he's not scoring enough.

I didnt take them away. I put them into context of when they were earned. If I had taken them away I wouldnt have posted the 9 for 73 part which is quite impressive.

And I own KK everywhere... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;hl=competitive

 

[Max Power]

Yep...like it or not Addai's value took a hit this week. Keith will get more carries, but addai will still be the feature back. Im guessing it will be something like Washington is doing with Portis and Betts.

When the game is on the line, Addai will be in there.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

I agree with BigSteelThrill.I am so tired of rbbc talk every time a back up comes in and has a good afternoon. When healthy, in a twelve team league, Addai is a must start as a legit number one and Keith is a third down/spell back not worth a start.

 

[Gopher State]

Keith's value is up their with S. Young Denver. Getting 40% of the touches in the high powered Colts offense is GOLD

 

[thayman]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

I agree with BigSteelThrill.I am so tired of rbbc talk every time a back up comes in and has a good afternoon. When healthy, in a twelve team league, Addai is a must start as a legit number one and Keith is a third down/spell back not worth a start.

When healthy yes. But it's also nice to know that you can consider Keith if Addai gets banged up again.

 

[Captain Hook]

I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...

He took a full bore helmet to the chest as he was bracketed by two other defenders. Its his chest. Maybe a rib issue? Possible.

It's a shoulder injury, not a chest or rib injury

 

[eom]

I think what addai owners should be most worried about is just losing the whole 4th quarter.

the colts figure to be in some lopsided games.

 

[TheBaylorKid]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

I agree with BigSteelThrill.I am so tired of rbbc talk every time a back up comes in and has a good afternoon. When healthy, in a twelve team league, Addai is a must start as a legit number one and Keith is a third down/spell back not worth a start.

When healthy yes. But it's also nice to know that you can consider Keith if Addai gets banged up again.

Oh, I agree with that. But I am tired of the carte blanche rbbc when a back up does what he is supposed to do, fill in for the starter and perform on a nfl level. This does not mean de facto rbbc.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...

He took a full bore helmet to the chest as he was bracketed by two other defenders. Its his chest. Maybe a rib issue? Possible.

It's a shoulder injury, not a chest or rib injury

http://www.nfl.com/injuriesJoseph Addai RB Chest Questionable

http://cache.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=injuryreport

29 Addai, Joseph Running Back Questionable Chest 10-05-07 - 04:15 PM

 

[Pigskins]

Whether it's a RBBC or not it doesn't matter. Addai will still get his touches and be the first rounder you drafted him for. And if Keith is in the mix then owners who have him as a handcuff can use in the flex spot on bye weeks to compliment Addai. No problem.

This Colts offense is awesome.

 

[Otis]

Before we extol the virtues of Keith too much, let's not forget he had roughly a 3ish YPC before the 4th quarter when Tampa seemingly threw in the towel.That's not to say that Keith won't get more touches - no doubt, he will - but Addai still brings a solid all-around game to the offense.I'm guessing 70/30 carries in favor of Addai, although the goal line duty may be a bit unclear.

I don't think you can criticize any aspect of Keith's game today. Kid ran with power, ran hard, made decisive cuts, and showed great vision. He just looks eplosive out there -- every bit as much as Addai (if not more so). And he catches the ball out of the backfield just as well.Now, I'm not saying I have any idea that it will be RBBC or not. What I am saying, though, is that you cannot criticize what he did out there today. He looked really good.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I think what addai owners should be most worried about is just losing the whole 4th quarter.the colts figure to be in some lopsided games.

I think he/they already did to a point... they would pull him before he got extended over 25 touches a game.26, 22, 25, 22. He wasnt breaking into the 30+ area because they valued him too much. And he easily could have at times.That shouldnt change and it shouldnt change his stats much at all. He is still going to be 20-25.

 

[Mimo]

its the system and not the back.

Precisely. The Indy RBs are interchangeable.

I agree to a point it being the system. I will say this though, if Jim Sorgi came in and started at QB Addai and/or Keith would not have the running lanes they have. Manning is such a good QB, play action, reading Ds, audible etc. that teams fear him and he still beats them.I think it is 80/20 for the QB more than the system JMO.

 

[Avery]

Whether it's a RBBC or not it doesn't matter.

It does matter... see below.

Addai will still get his touches and be the first rounder you drafted him for.

There is a general correlation between the number of touches you get and how many fantasy football points you score, and if it is a RBBC, Addai will get "his touches" but "his touches" will be fewer touches therefore, it does matter.

And if Keith is in the mix then owners who have him as a handcuff can use in the flex spot on bye weeks to compliment Addai. No problem.

What if the Addai owner doesn't have Keith? Big problem.

This Colts offense is awesome.

True, but I don't know how helpful this is in determining the value of the Colts RBs.

 

[thehornet]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

It makes Addai owners who missed Keith on the WW feel better. Taking plays away makes for good analysis. By the way, if you take away Randy Moss' touchdowns, he's not scoring enough.

I didnt take them away. I put them into context of when they were earned. If I had taken them away I wouldnt have posted the 9 for 73 part which is quite impressive.

And I own KK everywhere... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;hl=competitive

this is fantasy football buddy. who cares how the yards are gained? 1st quarter or 4th quarter, close game or garbage time. dont matter. Newsflash: YPC means nothing in fantasy football. But you can go ahead and break it down. whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[mlball77]

its the system and not the back.

Precisely. The Indy RBs are interchangeable.

I agree to a point it being the system. I will say this though, if Jim Sorgi came in and started at QB Addai and/or Keith would not have the running lanes they have. Manning is such a good QB, play action, reading Ds, audible etc. that teams fear him and he still beats them.I think it is 80/20 for the QB more than the system JMO.

Another point I'd make is that Rhodes wasn't all that productive in this system last year with 3.4 yards per carry. So we can't totally discount what Addai (and Keith) have and are doing and completely chalk it up to the system. Although the system and Manning are obviously a huge plus for the RBs.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

It makes Addai owners who missed Keith on the WW feel better. Taking plays away makes for good analysis. By the way, if you take away Randy Moss' touchdowns, he's not scoring enough.

I didnt take them away. I put them into context of when they were earned. If I had taken them away I wouldnt have posted the 9 for 73 part which is quite impressive.

And I own KK everywhere... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;hl=competitive

this is fantasy football buddy. who cares how the yards are gained? 1st quarter or 4th quarter, close game or garbage time.

You do if he doesnt get a chance in normal game situations. You must get touches to get yards. And his showing, up until the point its was "over", was not what you or the Colts would want out of your player - as far as ypc.

This has everything to do with how the Colts will (or wont) utilize him.

*Had I realzied this was thehornet I wouldnt have wasted the time. Im glad you are on the other end of this discussion.

 

[eom]

regardless of the ypc the system and manning is what gets them in the red zone and gets them the td opps.

 

[mlball77]

regardless of the ypc the system and manning is what gets them in the red zone and gets them the td opps.

Totally agree. Just do not agree that the system can make all/any RBs good/great (from a fantasy perspective). So to say 'of course Keith can produce for Indy... its the system' isn't totally sound in my book. Again, consider what Rhodes did last year. But being in Indy DOES give a decent RB a big advantage over most systems.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

thehornet=Look at it another way. Do his TD's and Receptions count? Those were early in the game when it was close. Probably not because it doesnt help your argument.=despite the fubard post.

He simply wont get those (with rare exceptions) when Addai is healthy.

Add- His production was great for me today. Wonderful. But Addai is still going to get 20-25 touches a game. From the onset of each contest.

 

[thayman]

RBBC for sure why not. Its obvious its the system and not the back. Keeping both fresh is best for the Colts.

Addai put up 4.8 a carry and Rhodes put up 3.4 a carry last year.

And Addai is currently at 4.8 a carry this year.

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

It is not just the system. :badposting:

Though the TDs do tend to come from higher scoring teams.

Addai will get 20-25 in a normal game. KK will still get some touches.

Why take away Keiths good runs?

It makes Addai owners who missed Keith on the WW feel better. Taking plays away makes for good analysis. By the way, if you take away Randy Moss' touchdowns, he's not scoring enough.

I didnt take them away. I put them into context of when they were earned. If I had taken them away I wouldnt have posted the 9 for 73 part which is quite impressive.

And I own KK everywhere... http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;hl=competitive

this is fantasy football buddy. who cares how the yards are gained? 1st quarter or 4th quarter, close game or garbage time.

You do if he doesnt get a chance in normal game situations. You must get touches to get yards. And his showing, up until the point its was "over", was not what you or the Colts would want out of your player - as far as ypc.

This has everything to do with how the Colts will (or wont) utilize him.

*Had I realzied this was thehornet I wouldnt have wasted the time. Im glad you are on the other end of this discussion.

Then it becomes a question of how many blowouts will the Colts have?? Like Turner, Keith could be productive if you think the Colts will be putting up some garbage time.

 

[thehornet]

thehornet=Look at it another way. Do his TD's and Receptions count? Those were early in the game when it was close. Probably not because it doesnt help your argument.=despite he fubard post.

He simply wont get those (with rare exceptions) when Addai is healthy.

oh, i agree with you there. I personally think when Addai is back that he is the guy. he is a better back than Keith despite what others have said in this thread. its not just the system. Keith will take a back seat and only spell Addai when Addai is back. I am only trying to say that Keith can and will get the job done if needed.

 

[Max Power]

I hope this thread just doesn't go on for two weeks...

we wont know how/if today's performance will change anything until week 7.

 

[flooredyas]

This post by Big Steel Thrill makes me ask-

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

just how many of those early carries resulted in a 1st down, runs for a yard or 2. While I didn't see the game, I kinda watched some of it on the computer. Seemed to me he produced the desired result pretty consistantly. Anyone have stats on this?