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Addai - Keith RBBC ! (1 Viewer)

This post by Big Steel Thrill makes me ask-

Meanwhile Keith put up 19 for 48 (2.5) when it was still a game through the first 40 minutes of the game.

He then went 9 for 73 after it was a 3 possesion game.

just how many of those early carries resulted in a 1st down, runs for a yard or 2. While I didn't see the game, I kinda watched some of it on the computer. Seemed to me he produced the desired result pretty consistantly. Anyone have stats on this?
Good question...2 -1 = 7

1-10 = 4

1-10 = 2

1- 10 = 0

1 - 10 = 3

1 - 10 = 1

3 - 2 = 1

4 - 1 = 2

2 - 6 = 2

2 - 1 = 6

2 - 3 = 2

3 - 1 = 2

3 - 1 = 4

1 - 1 = 1TD

1 - 10 = 0

1 - 10 = 1

1 - 10 = -1

3 - 3 = 7TD

He was four for five on 3rd & 4th and short.

 
thehornet=Look at it another way. Do his TD's and Receptions count? Those were early in the game when it was close. Probably not because it doesnt help your argument.=despite he fubard post.

He simply wont get those (with rare exceptions) when Addai is healthy. :wall:
oh, i agree with you there. I personally think when Addai is back that he is the guy. he is a better back than Keith despite what others have said in this thread. its not just the system. Keith will take a back seat and only spell Addai when Addai is back. I am only trying to say that Keith can and will get the job done if needed.
If Addai continues to get nicked, we're gonna see more of Keith, period. It's not about who's the "more aesthetic guy to play," it's about winning.
 
I'm not worried about RBBC in the least. Addai will get all meaninful carries - Keith only in their for a blow or if game is out of hand.

Davenport had 2 TD's today - full RBBC in Pitt, huh?

 
I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...
He took a full bore helmet to the chest as he was bracketed by two other defenders. Its his chest. Maybe a rib issue? Possible.
It's a shoulder injury, not a chest or rib injury
http://www.nfl.com/injuriesJoseph Addai RB Chest Questionable

http://cache.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=injuryreport

29 Addai, Joseph Running Back Questionable Chest 10-05-07 - 04:15 PM

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If Addai continues to get nicked
To see his "nick"... go to the 1:07 mark: http://www.nfl.com/players/josephaddai/profile?id=ADD152616And week 1 he was blind side blasted in the back/rib on poor Manning throw.

 
I do believe it is the system there. It's hard to say what will happen going forward. I have Keith in more leagues than Addai. (In the league I do have Addai, I don't have Keith.) What I'm wondering is how bad Addai is injured. I heard he couldn't lift his arm above his head this week. That's not a simple bruise in my opinion. Sounds like a clavicle/shoulder sprain or something. Just wondering if it's worse than they've let on. Pure speculation on my part... We'll see in two weeks I guess...
He took a full bore helmet to the chest as he was bracketed by two other defenders. Its his chest. Maybe a rib issue? Possible.
It's a shoulder injury, not a chest or rib injury
http://www.nfl.com/injuriesJoseph Addai RB Chest Questionable

http://cache.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=injuryreport

29 Addai, Joseph Running Back Questionable Chest 10-05-07 - 04:15 PM

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Yeah, seems like a strange injury. Chest or shoulder? Seems like chest is the answer. Can't lift your arm? Hmmm.... Just seems odd IMO. Probably nothing, but like I said, we'll see after their bye, (and after this thread is 8 pages long.....)
 
Wait a minute. KK is getting critized for getting his carries at the end of them game when the opposing team knew the run was coming to run out the clock? Is he the only RB in the NFL that gets better as the game goes on and the Defense is tired? There are plenty of games where the RB's YPC increase later in the game. I would actually call it common rather than odd.

 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Wait a minute. KK is getting critized for getting his carries at the end of them game when the opposing team knew the run was coming to run out the clock? Is he the only RB in the NFL that gets better as the game goes on and the Defense is tired? There are plenty of games where the RB's YPC increase later in the game. I would actually call it common rather than odd.
Dont think he was criticized. His final result was splendid.The question is if the Colts will make this a RBBC (60/40 as some claim) based on todays late game production. Because it wasnt a question at all during the first 40 minutes of his game today. Most were missing JA's rushing (which likely incl the Colts) up until then.
 
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HULLOBUDMAN said:
Wait a minute. KK is getting critized for getting his carries at the end of them game when the opposing team knew the run was coming to run out the clock? Is he the only RB in the NFL that gets better as the game goes on and the Defense is tired? There are plenty of games where the RB's YPC increase later in the game. I would actually call it common rather than odd.
Dont think he was criticized. His final result was splendid.The question is if the Colts will make this a RBBC (60/40 as some claim) based on todays late game production. Because it wasnt a question at all during the first 40 minutes of his game today. Most were missing JA's rushing (which likely incl the Colts) up until then.
I understand the question. The arguement made by some is that he had a bad YPC until the 4th quarter. My point is that lots of RBs YPC increase as the game goes on. I am not saying that it will be RBBC but the arguement that his early game YPC being low is the reason for it not to happen is not valid.
 
Id say 60/40 is realistic. Figure Keith gets 1 of every 3 series and garbage time.

Just depends on how much the colts are up by I guess.

 
PantherPower said:
pretty obvious who the Addai owners are in this thread...talk about denial. :thumbdown:
as it is obvious who picked up Keith.Realistically, Keith did NOT look good until the end of the game. It's great the the Colt have a solid backup, but if anyone really thinks KK is going to get nearly half the carries they aren't being reasonable.
 
the colts aren't splitting any carries.

addai might lose some touches in the 4th quarter, or if/when he's injured again (obviously).

I don't see them putting keith in while it's still a game, ad I don't see them beating up addai when they're way up in the 4th.

 
KK didnt look good at first, could be due to a variety of reasons, most notably his first start in the NFL. So who knows what he can do, nobody until he plays and starts in more than one game. That isnt going to happen unless Addai is out for a period of time. There is no way that Dungy is just going to scrap Addai in favor of Keith. There might be an increase in carries, but in now way this will be a RBBC situation. Words from a KK owner.

 
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KK didnt look good at first, could be due to a variety of reasons, most notably his first start in the NFL. So who knows what he can do, nobody until he plays and starts in more than one game. That isnt going to happen unless Addai is out for a period of time. There is no way that Dungy is just going to scrap Addai in favor of Keith. There might be an increase in carries, but in now way this will be a RBBC situation. Words from a KK owner.
Pretty much anyone living in Canada who has seen him torch up the CFL for the past 2-3 years knows exactly what he can do.
 
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Kenton Keiths carries/receptions resulting in a first down or score.

1st Quarter

2-1-TB33 (12:34) K.Keith right end pushed ob at TB 26 for 7 yards (J.Phillips).

4-1-TB36 (2:52) K.Keith right guard to TB 34 for 2 yards (G.White, J.Haye).

Second Quarter

1-1-TB1 (14:57) K.Keith left guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

2-1-IND33 (1:55) K.Keith left tackle to IND 39 for 6 yards (D.Brooks).

3-1-IND48 (1:18) K.Keith right end ran ob at 50 for 2 yards (B.Kelly). 20 for 9 yards (P.Chukwurah, C.June).

3-1-TB20 (:39) K.Keith left guard to TB 16 for 4 yards (D.Brooks, T.Jackson).

Third Quarter

2-10-IND23 (14:22) P.Manning pass short middle to K.Keith to IND 37 for 14 yards (B.Ruud, J.Phillips) [J.Haye].

3-3-TB7 (7:24) K.Keith right guard for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

2-7-IND45 (3:45) P.Manning pass short middle to K.Keith to TB 42 for 13 yards (R.Barber, J.Haye).

1-10-TB42 (3:01) K.Keith right tackle to TB 30 for 12 yards (G.Peterson).

3-4-TB24 (:52) K.Keith up the middle to TB 9 for 15 yards (T.Jackson, J.Phillips).

 
KK didnt look good at first, could be due to a variety of reasons, most notably his first start in the NFL. So who knows what he can do, nobody until he plays and starts in more than one game. That isnt going to happen unless Addai is out for a period of time. There is no way that Dungy is just going to scrap Addai in favor of Keith. There might be an increase in carries, but in now way this will be a RBBC situation. Words from a KK owner.
Pretty much anyone living in Canada who has seen him torch up the CFL for the past 2-3 years knows exactly what he can do.
:fishing: :cry: :cry: Did you write CFL??? Okay, Ya like everyone who watches the Arena league knows how great those players are too. How about the XFL??? How come you didnt mention that league. In case you havent noticed this league is called the NFL.
 
A couple things...KK has proved to be a capable replacement for Addai. Being a KK owner I do not expect any RBBC situation. I'm not gonna say who the back is and who really cares. Either RB is going to prodyce great FF #'s b/c they are on the colts. Another thing KK has done today was give him some value, possibly to the Addai owners that are sour...because Addai seems to be getting banged up alot already this season.

 
KK didnt look good at first, could be due to a variety of reasons, most notably his first start in the NFL. So who knows what he can do, nobody until he plays and starts in more than one game. That isnt going to happen unless Addai is out for a period of time. There is no way that Dungy is just going to scrap Addai in favor of Keith. There might be an increase in carries, but in now way this will be a RBBC situation. Words from a KK owner.
Pretty much anyone living in Canada who has seen him torch up the CFL for the past 2-3 years knows exactly what he can do.
:cry: :cry: :cry: Did you write CFL??? Okay, Ya like everyone who watches the Arena league knows how great those players are too. How about the XFL??? How come you didnt mention that league. In case you havent noticed this league is called the NFL.
You can't judge if someone has talent if they are playing in a different league? The NCAA rules are different from the NFL rules, does that mean you can't judge if a player is any good if they are playin in the NCAA? And btw, i called it that Kenton was gonna have success too.

loving the thread, goodwork :confused:

I see big things for kenton keith :help:
 
PantherPower said:
pretty obvious who the Addai owners are in this thread...talk about denial. :shrug:
as it is obvious who picked up Keith.Realistically, Keith did NOT look good until the end of the game. It's great the the Colt have a solid backup, but if anyone really thinks KK is going to get nearly half the carries they aren't being reasonable.
Addai's current injury and the desire to keep him healthy all year are more likely to lower his workload than anything Kenton did today. I would say that given his performance, however, the coaches figure to be less anxious about giving him a little more action than he saw in September. Does this translate to 85/15, 80/20? There's no reason to expect anything more than that -- and maybe less -- until we see it actually happen once Addai has fully recovered.
 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Wait a minute. KK is getting critized for getting his carries at the end of them game when the opposing team knew the run was coming to run out the clock? Is he the only RB in the NFL that gets better as the game goes on and the Defense is tired? There are plenty of games where the RB's YPC increase later in the game. I would actually call it common rather than odd.
Dont think he was criticized. His final result was splendid.The question is if the Colts will make this a RBBC (60/40 as some claim) based on todays late game production. Because it wasnt a question at all during the first 40 minutes of his game today. Most were missing JA's rushing (which likely incl the Colts) up until then.
Do you think BigSteelThrill ownes addai? :goodposting:
 
So basically Kenton Keith = Sammy Morris and Joseph Addai = Laurence Maroney.

Welcome to hell, Addai owners, misery loves company and I saved a seat for you. :goodposting:

 
Judge Smails said:
I'm not worried about RBBC in the least. Addai will get all meaninful carries - Keith only in their for a blow or if game is out of hand. Davenport had 2 TD's today - full RBBC in Pitt, huh?
How about Turner in SD?
 
KK didnt look good at first, could be due to a variety of reasons, most notably his first start in the NFL. So who knows what he can do, nobody until he plays and starts in more than one game. That isnt going to happen unless Addai is out for a period of time. There is no way that Dungy is just going to scrap Addai in favor of Keith. There might be an increase in carries, but in now way this will be a RBBC situation. Words from a KK owner.
Pretty much anyone living in Canada who has seen him torch up the CFL for the past 2-3 years knows exactly what he can do.
:bye: :wall: :lmao: Did you write CFL??? Okay, Ya like everyone who watches the Arena league knows how great those players are too. How about the XFL??? How come you didnt mention that league. In case you havent noticed this league is called the NFL.
This is the NFL and he got 158 yards from scrimmage and 2 TD's in his first career start. I don't think it matters what league he played in before; he sure looked like an NFL RB yesterday. Considering that Addai is not the most durable RB around, Keith definitely has some value.

 
So basically Kenton Keith = Sammy Morris and Joseph Addai = Laurence Maroney.Welcome to hell, Addai owners, misery loves company and I saved a seat for you. :popcorn:
No - Morris was scoring TDs before Maroney got hurt, and Maroney wasn't scoring TDs. Addai scored 5 TDs in his 1st four games, and Keith wasn't getting many carries before yesterday (and no TDs before yesterday). Big difference.
 
Lets not forget that this was just one game, and that it was against the Bucs...

Is there an Addai owner out there that won't start Addai in week 7? I know I will :popcorn:

 
KK owner. I'm trying to move Keith to the Addai owner now, as I don't believe this is RBBC at all. If Addai is healthy, he'll get the lion's share, like a Portis/Betts split IMO. Keith definitely has value though if Addai gets hurt again (not too far fetched). If I can't move him, I have no problem holding.

 
By the way -- KK has value if only because Addai will miss more time at some point. Whenever he sits, you've got an automatic stud to plug in that week in KK. That's pretty sweet.

 
My stance is that I think I'm going to have a stud going into the playoffs after the Colts rest its players for the final 2 weeks.

 
I think those that think the Colts are resting players in week 15 are underestimating Tenn, Jax, and the Steelers (the theoretical competition for the #2 seed if the Colts win the AFC South).

 
I think we're all forgetting that KK has had 2 good games (at most) so far in his NFL CAREER... I highly doubt the colts will go to a full blown RBBC this early in the season. As an Addai owner, I do believe KK will come in to give Addai a breather here and there, but I dont think Addai will lose 40% of his carries. I can honestly say Addai will lose maybe 10% at most.

Now, later in the season if Addai gets banged up, I can see that % increase.. but for now, I'm not too worried.

 
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Realistically, Keith did NOT look good until the end of the game.
XIf you watched the game, you know this is a lie.
Exactly, switz is an obvious owner of addai. I've been saying this all along: Addai is a product of the Colts system. Addai is an average RB who seems a little brittle at this point of the season. He's good enough to produce in FF, so is KK so lets call it like it is. -Addai is the starter (when healthy)-KK is the backup, will spell Addai ocaasionally-no RBBC-KK may play down the stretch especially in the playoffs like in years past when the colts rest their starters.I'm holding onto KK for now but have the option to move him for a team need.
 
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Would you trade either of these guys right now for Cedric Benson straight up?
Obviously it depends on a team's composition, but in a vacuum:Addai: no wayKeith: in a heartbeatDespite the value of Keith if Addai is hurt, I'd still rather have a non-RBBC starter (even if he's within the lower half of feature backs) than a part-timer in a great offense.
 
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The Colts said they prefer a two back system and won a SB with it. Now it looks like they have two backs. While this is not going to be Rhodes/Addai part II I see no scenario that does not have Addai losing a considerable amount of touches.

I own Addai and would like to believe he will continue to be the feature back and get the 25+ touches a game ala Edge but here is the problem with that. Year after year Dungy saw Edge underperform in crucial playoff games while he witnessed his two back system last year stay fresh and productive and dominant the SB. Considering he has openly said he prefers a two back system, won a SB with it, and factoring in Addai seems a bit brittle you can count on Keiths role in the offense increasing at the expense of Addai.

 
Considering he has openly said he prefers a two back system, won a SB with it, and factoring in Addai seems a bit brittle you can count on Keiths role in the offense increasing at the expense of Addai.
If more time for Keith keeps Addai fresh and potentially makes the Indy offense even more effective (scary), might it still be a good thing for Addai owners? Might there be an increase in scoring efficiency which translates to even more Indy points, and therefore a win-win for Keith and Addai ownders?
 
Addai threw a scare into us in Week 1, and actually got hurt in Week 4. What makes anyone think the rest of the season will simply be smooth sailing?

It's not the prospect of RBBC that should worry Addai owners; it's the possibility/likelihood that Addai doesn't hold up. Wasn't it just 5 or 6 weeks ago when many Addai detractors were continuously stating that Addai had never carried a full load in his life?

Larry Johnson's value two years ago was not the prospect of taking 20%-30% of Priest's carries; it was the possibility of Priest getting hurt for the season. LJ was a terrific lottery ticket, and paid off handsomely. Why is Keith any different?

 
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