ADP data for a Start 2 QB league? (1 Viewer)

[mjhorn]

Anyone know of any resources out there with data for leagues that start 2QB? I've taken our draft history to work out the order by position, and applied that to average rankings from this year, but I was hoping for something with a somewhat bigger sample size.

Thanks

Mike

 

[jabir1]

Anyone know of any resources out there with data for leagues that start 2QB? I've taken our draft history to work out the order by position, and applied that to average rankings from this year, but I was hoping for something with a somewhat bigger sample size. ThanksMike

Did you find a source?

 

[butcher boy]

I've played in a 2 QB league for a while now and I don't see a need for QB ADP.

The correct strategy in a 2 QB league is to start the draft QB-QB with only a few exceptions. The people who do this are in the playoffs year in and year out.

 

[packseasontix]

I've played in a 2 QB league for a while now and I don't see a need for QB ADP.The correct strategy in a 2 QB league is to start the draft QB-QB with only a few exceptions. The people who do this are in the playoffs year in and year out.

Usually I will divide the QB ADP in half and that can be somewhat accurate but it depends on the draft. 2QB is alot different than a regular draft because how variable the draft can become based on 1 or 2 picks. If Eli, Romo, Schaub, Rivers are all sitting there people may keep going RB/WR but then Eli and Rivers are taken back to back and its a QB run at that point and you can have 10 straight QB picks.

 

[Catbird]

I've played in a 2 QB league for a while now and I don't see a need for QB ADP.The correct strategy in a 2 QB league is to start the draft QB-QB with only a few exceptions. The people who do this are in the playoffs year in and year out.

Usually I will divide the QB ADP in half and that can be somewhat accurate but it depends on the draft. 2QB is alot different than a regular draft because how variable the draft can become based on 1 or 2 picks. If Eli, Romo, Schaub, Rivers are all sitting there people may keep going RB/WR but then Eli and Rivers are taken back to back and its a QB run at that point and you can have 10 straight QB picks.

I feel like in 2QB (or super-flex, which is very similar if QBs are the high scorers) drafting is more variable based on league size than any other system. If you have a 10 team league, everyone is going to have at least have 2 productive QBs and you draft them early, but you can deviate to claim other elite players with some safety. If you are in a 14 or even 16 team 2QB or superflex, you might have the first 2 rounds with only the top 3 RBs and Calvin mixed with the rest QBs. I think its much easier to go against the grain and take Rice and Calvin if you have the chance in a smaller league. In a big league, absent wild luck, I don't think you can compete without at least 1 QB in the first 2 rounds. I think packseasontix' suggestion might work great in a 10 teamer, but would get you killed in a bigger league.As to ADP info ... I can only suggest looking for Superflex drafts, where the results are much closer to 2QB and I think there are a lot more of them. In 20+ years in a superflex (although we never knew it had a name) I have never found anything reliable for ADP. I tend to do what I think the OP is doing - look at the history and trends within the league for when positions are drafted (I go by half rounds) and apply (same scoring system) ADP by position.

 

[Warrior]

I've played in a 2 QB league for a while now and I don't see a need for QB ADP.

The correct strategy in a 2 QB league is to start the draft QB-QB with only a few exceptions. The people who do this are in the playoffs year in and year out.

What if passing TDs are only 4 points?In our 4pt PassTD league with 12 teams and an extra QB/WR/RB/TE slot (super-flex), Romo went at 3.01, RG3, Peyton and Eli were taken in the early third round as well. Rivers and Vick were both taken in the 2nd round. Cutler went in the 4th. This seems a bit extreme to me, but fits your strategy above if you were also referring to 4pt leagues.

 

[chickensoup]

In my local 2QB league the guys that did the best generally went QB first or second round and another in the 4th or 5th. The ones who fell on their face waited at QB and ended up with a combo of like Schaub and Cutler or freeman and Orton.

If its a 12 team league I would strongly consider 2 QBs by the end of the third round. QBs just don't come into the league often. Usually QB are at least close to what we think they are. A combo of say Rodgers and Matt Ryan with a RB in the middle like Steven Jackson or if they fall for some reason DMC will be very hard to beat regardless unless there are weird bonuses for long rushes or yardage per game for receivers and RB but not QB. Once you are past the elite RB you have just a bunch of guys that score less than every QB. The difference between a second QB like Ryan and Kolb or Bradford is gigantic unless they way outperform their projections.

 

[Raider Nation]

Helluva BUMP right there.

 

[Warrior]

In my local 2QB league the guys that did the best generally went QB first or second round and another in the 4th or 5th. The ones who fell on their face waited at QB and ended up with a combo of like Schaub and Cutler or freeman and Orton.If its a 12 team league I would strongly consider 2 QBs by the end of the third round. QBs just don't come into the league often. Usually QB are at least close to what we think they are. A combo of say Rodgers and Matt Ryan with a RB in the middle like Steven Jackson or if they fall for some reason DMC will be very hard to beat regardless unless there are weird bonuses for long rushes or yardage per game for receivers and RB but not QB. Once you are past the elite RB you have just a bunch of guys that score less than every QB. The difference between a second QB like Ryan and Kolb or Bradford is gigantic unless they way outperform their projections.

You didn't mention whether this was a 6pt or 4pt PaTD league. Which are you referring to, and does it really matter much?

 

[Ray_T]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:

1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QB

If it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.

In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3.

You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end.

The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.

so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.

Good luck

 

[Warrior]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QBIf it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3. You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end. The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.Good luck

You also neglected to mention whether this strategy also applies to 4pt passing TD leagues.I also think it's easy to say that you should pick a QB in 2 of the first three rounds, but would you really pass on players like Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson to take middling QBs like RG3 or Matt Schaub? Because your strategy of every team taking QBs at the beginning of the draft means that you'll be choosing between player like Andy Dalton and Andre Johnson, in which case taking your QB2 or QB3 instead of a top-level WR seems insane to me.

 

[chickensoup]

In my local 2QB league the guys that did the best generally went QB first or second round and another in the 4th or 5th. The ones who fell on their face waited at QB and ended up with a combo of like Schaub and Cutler or freeman and Orton.If its a 12 team league I would strongly consider 2 QBs by the end of the third round. QBs just don't come into the league often. Usually QB are at least close to what we think they are. A combo of say Rodgers and Matt Ryan with a RB in the middle like Steven Jackson or if they fall for some reason DMC will be very hard to beat regardless unless there are weird bonuses for long rushes or yardage per game for receivers and RB but not QB. Once you are past the elite RB you have just a bunch of guys that score less than every QB. The difference between a second QB like Ryan and Kolb or Bradford is gigantic unless they way outperform their projections.

You didn't mention whether this was a 6pt or 4pt PaTD league. Which are you referring to, and does it really matter much?

4 point and no it doesn't matter much. Just how I've seen it though. If you see QB flying off the board you are almost forced to take a good one round 1. If people draft more normally then you can nab a RB in there somewhere.

 

[bengalbuck]

I think you will have a really hard time finding useful ADP data on where the QBs will come off the board because it is heavily variable and just depends on the perceived value of QBs by your leaguemates. If they start flying off the board, you could easily see 12+ off the board in the top 30 picks. Or you could see guys more willing to wait for value. I also think the actual "true value" of QBs is hugely dependent on the specifics: number of teams, number of Flex spots, 4 pt. vs. 6 pt. TDs, .04 or .05 per passing yard, etc.

My advice is to really dig into the projected scoring based on your league's specific scoring system/roster requirements/league size and try to come up with values that you feel good about. Personally, I do it on a simplistic PPG basis and just subtract out the "worst starter." So for example, pick some projections you feel pretty good about. If you're in a 12 team league, you look at QB 24. If QB24 scores 18 PPG and Brees scores 26 PPG, then Brees is worth about 8. If you do the same with RBs and find RB24 scores 12 PPG and Ray Rice 22 PPG, then Rice is worth 10. So you probably should take Rice over Brees. That's maybe an overly simple way to look at it and you'll probably want to try to factor in which players you think may be available in which round, whether you like the "sleeper" QBs vs. the "sleeper" RBs, etc. but this type of analysis is where I start.

To give some real world examples, I was in 2 QB-Flex dynasty startup drafts this summer and approached the 2 very differently based on the specifics of the scoring and number of starters.

In one of the leagues, you start 1 QB, 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 TE and 2 Flex (one of which can be a QB). Normal PPR Scoring. I found that QBs and RBs both had a ton of value and wanted to make sure I got 2 QBs and 2 RBs in the first 3 rounds so I traded up a couple times and I took Cam Newton in the 1st and Tom Brady at the top of the 3rd (along with Richardson in the 1st and ADP in the 2nd and Sproles a bit later). I'm very weak at WR, but feel like the RB/QB strength should more than make up for it.

In the other league, you start 1 QB, 2 RBs, 3 WRs, 1 TE and 3 Flex (one of which could be a QB). So you have to start 2 more RB/WRs every week, pushing up the value of those guys. Normal PPR Scoring, but you also get .1 per rushing attempt adding a couple PPG to workhorse RBs. Again, the QBs were very valuable but because there were so many flex positions to fill, my numbers showed that RBs were the best comparative value. While 12 QBs went in the top 30 picks, I started with 3 straight RBs (Richardson, Matthews and Charles) and waited for Jake Locker in the 6th, Carson Palmer in the 9th (plus Hasselbeck and Skelton late). In this league, I know I'll be giving up points almost every week at RB, but think my strength at RB more than makes up for it.

 

[Saint]

FWIW, I would recommend looking at some data from a few mock drafts that are 2 QB leagues and then building a custom ADP to plug into the dominator. Voila.

 

[Ray_T]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QBIf it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3. You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end. The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.Good luck

You also neglected to mention whether this strategy also applies to 4pt passing TD leagues.I also think it's easy to say that you should pick a QB in 2 of the first three rounds, but would you really pass on players like Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson to take middling QBs like RG3 or Matt Schaub? Because your strategy of every team taking QBs at the beginning of the draft means that you'll be choosing between player like Andy Dalton and Andre Johnson, in which case taking your QB2 or QB3 instead of a top-level WR seems insane to me.

Most leagues have 4 pt for Passing TD. I was under that assumption. if it's a 6 point passing TD league that just means you place a higher value on the QB somewhat. and I cant give you more specific info because it really depends on how things go in the draft, and what your draft position is. obviously if you are looking at Tavaris Jackson or Kevin Kolb vs Darren McFadden or Ray Rice, you have to take the stud RB, but I honestly cannot see that scenario unfolding.I would expect the first 10 picks would split between stud QB's and Stud RB's. it should be tilted toward QB's but many who have been in 1 QB drafts tend to believe that you can get value late for a QB and will undervalue the QB somewhat. if this situation unfolds, you have more options available to you.if the opposite happens and you see 15 of the first 20 players are QB's I think you can guess what kind of QB you get Vs what kind of RB you get. (flacco/freeman vs McFadden) then you have to figure if you take McFadden, how many QB's are likely to go before you have to pick again. if the answer is 5, then you are looking at McFadden/flacco vs Fred Jackson/shonn Green and Alex Smith. There is a tipping point and you have to figure out where that is for yourself.My thought is that once people have 2 of their QB's selected you are looking at a 2-3 round wait until they select another QB. so if you are near the end of round 2 and 15-16 QB are selected, I'd bet no more than 4 or 5 would go in the next round so your option may be wise to go RB-RB in round 2 and 3 (because you are picking on the end)

 

[Warrior]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QBIf it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3. You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end. The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.Good luck

You also neglected to mention whether this strategy also applies to 4pt passing TD leagues.I also think it's easy to say that you should pick a QB in 2 of the first three rounds, but would you really pass on players like Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson to take middling QBs like RG3 or Matt Schaub? Because your strategy of every team taking QBs at the beginning of the draft means that you'll be choosing between player like Andy Dalton and Andre Johnson, in which case taking your QB2 or QB3 instead of a top-level WR seems insane to me.

Most leagues have 4 pt for Passing TD. I was under that assumption. if it's a 6 point passing TD league that just means you draft QB-QB in your first 2 rounds regardless of draft position.

Ok, gotcha. With that said, assuming you're in a 2QB (6pt pass TD) league with the super-flex position (1 QB spot, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE spot), if all managers in a 12 team league follow that advice, and you're the #1 overall pick, you'll be faced with this decision at 2.12: Do you draft Arian Foster, or Mark Sanchez/Jake Locker/Matt Cassel? How do you justify taking a QB there? I'm going to be in my first-ever 2QB league this season and all of this "take QB/QB with your first 2 picks regardless of position" advice seems very off the wall to me.

 

[Ray_T]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QBIf it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3. You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end. The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.Good luck

You also neglected to mention whether this strategy also applies to 4pt passing TD leagues.I also think it's easy to say that you should pick a QB in 2 of the first three rounds, but would you really pass on players like Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson to take middling QBs like RG3 or Matt Schaub? Because your strategy of every team taking QBs at the beginning of the draft means that you'll be choosing between player like Andy Dalton and Andre Johnson, in which case taking your QB2 or QB3 instead of a top-level WR seems insane to me.

Most leagues have 4 pt for Passing TD. I was under that assumption. if it's a 6 point passing TD league that just means you draft QB-QB in your first 2 rounds regardless of draft position.

Ok, gotcha. With that said, assuming you're in a 2QB (6pt pass TD) league with the super-flex position (1 QB spot, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE spot), if all managers in a 12 team league follow that advice, and you're the #1 overall pick, you'll be faced with this decision at 2.12: Do you draft Arian Foster, or Mark Sanchez/Jake Locker/Matt Cassel? How do you justify taking a QB there? I'm going to be in my first-ever 2QB league this season and all of this "take QB/QB with your first 2 picks regardless of position" advice seems very off the wall to me.

ok I'm confused about 2 things. 1) is this a true 2 QB league where everyone needs 2 QB Starters? or is that 2nd QB a QB flex meaning it could be a QB or it could be any other position. If it is a Flex, it will not add as much value to the QB position as if it were purely a 2 QB league. (everyone starts 2 QB's) This is because once you get beyond the 15th ranked QB, the chances of that flex starter being a QB go down.2)going on the assumption this is a true 2 QB league, you are suggesting that you have taken a QB with your first overall pick and now have to decide if you should take another QB at 2.12 or if you should take the best RB available. for one thing, I would say it doesnt matter. this is one of the actual advantages of drafting on the end. if you take a QB at 2.12, you take a RB at 3.01. if you take a RB at 2.12, you take a QB at 3.01.Honestly, I'd be very surprised if Arian Foster is available at that point in the draft. I suggested that 5 of the first 10 picks will be RB's. This is because the multi purpose RB's such as Ray Rice/Arian Foster can be as valuable as your top QB's. There are about 4-5 players who fit into this category and as such I would expect a split early. Foster will go within the first 5 or 6 picks and so will Rice.Near the end of round 2, You are more likely looking at a scenario where You are looking at McFadden, or Chris Johnson or Steven Jackson vs Rothlisberger, Fitzpatrick, Freeman or Flacco. if you are in the situation where the second slot is a flex spot, the situation changes again. Because if adequate QB's cannot be found, you can use a RB or WR as your flex. This is different from the situation where you have 12 teams each needing 2 starters and 1 backup (meaning a demand for 36 Starting QB's in a league where only 30 exist)

 

[Timmay]

I know in the start 2 QB, 12 team league that i am in, every team usually has both of their starting QB's by round 6, with guys like Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman going by round 6 of last years draft. QB's are a hot commodity and teams usually have 5-6 QB's on their roster all year, with most backups getting drafted for handcuff reasons or where training camp battles are going on. I'm sure this year, all 3 of the dolphins Qb's will be drafted by round 12-15 in hopes that Garrard or Moore will get their chance in the beginning of the year and Tannehill getting thrown in towards the end.

Personally i dont believe in drafting 2 QB's with your 1st 2 picks, i usually try to at least get 1 in the 1st 2 rounds and locking another in by the 5th round, depending who is there at that point the draft, also i think it is a huge priority of mine to make sure to lock down a starting 3rd QB to cover byes and possible matchup starts. With 12 teams, there will be at least 4 teams without a backup, and it makes injuries and FA pickups for QB's a major priority.

 

[butcher boy]

the answer to your question depends on a few things:1) size of the league: if it is a 12 team league, you should go QB-QB unless you pick in the first half of round 1. Then you should go RB-QB-QBIf it is a 10 team league, it's a little harder to hoarde QB's. You have 32 NFL teams, each with a starting QB. In the league each of you can have two starters and one backup with two teams having 2 backups.In this case you definitely take a RB with your first pick and then play it by ear depending on what others do. Generally, you want both starting QB's selected before Round 5 with one of them selected before the end of round 3. You want to be one of the first to select a third string QB because the starting QB's ranked lower than #25 among starting QB's are guys who may not have their job by year end. The big thing in this kind of system is that your third string QB will need to start 2 bye week games and possibly more if one of your starters gets hurt.so the third string QB is worth more than a backup in any other position. A crappy third string fantasy QB could mean throwing 2 wins away (and more if a starter gets hurt) My recommendation is that you dont want to be in that position.Good luck

You also neglected to mention whether this strategy also applies to 4pt passing TD leagues.I also think it's easy to say that you should pick a QB in 2 of the first three rounds, but would you really pass on players like Darren McFadden and Trent Richardson to take middling QBs like RG3 or Matt Schaub? Because your strategy of every team taking QBs at the beginning of the draft means that you'll be choosing between player like Andy Dalton and Andre Johnson, in which case taking your QB2 or QB3 instead of a top-level WR seems insane to me.

Most leagues have 4 pt for Passing TD. I was under that assumption. if it's a 6 point passing TD league that just means you draft QB-QB in your first 2 rounds regardless of draft position.

Ok, gotcha. With that said, assuming you're in a 2QB (6pt pass TD) league with the super-flex position (1 QB spot, 1 QB/RB/WR/TE spot), if all managers in a 12 team league follow that advice, and you're the #1 overall pick, you'll be faced with this decision at 2.12: Do you draft Arian Foster, or Mark Sanchez/Jake Locker/Matt Cassel? How do you justify taking a QB there? I'm going to be in my first-ever 2QB league this season and all of this "take QB/QB with your first 2 picks regardless of position" advice seems very off the wall to me.

When I say go QB/QB, I'm working off the assumption that not everyone in the league will be doing the same thing. There are still people married to the idea that you have to go RB round 1, etc. so a lot of times you can nab two stud QBs right off the bat. If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

 

[butcher boy]

1) is this a true 2 QB league where everyone needs 2 QB Starters? or is that 2nd QB a QB flex meaning it could be a QB or it could be any other position. If it is a Flex, it will not add as much value to the QB position as if it were purely a 2 QB league. (everyone starts 2 QB's) This is because once you get beyond the 15th ranked QB, the chances of that flex starter being a QB go down.

Just wanted to comment on this. If you're allowed to use a QB for a flex, you really want to do everything you can to use one there every week. QBs provide a lot more points than other positions. I would treat it the same I would a 2 QB league and just go into the draft assuming I want to start a QB flex every week.At the same time, it also means you might be able to wait a bit longer to get your 2nd QB.

 

[Warrior]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

 

[chickensoup]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

 

[Warrior]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

Clearly, I'm just using a likely scenario in my example. No, I cannot predict exactly who will be available in every single draft. That's why hypotheticals exist. On the flip side of your point, you have the same uncertainty when you take Arod, because you won't know which RB's will be there at your 2nd/3rd pick either, will you? By taking Foster, you don't have to worry about that. You never know for sure, but it seems very likely that someone on the Romo/Ryan/Manning/Manning/Rivers level will be available there. Hence the reason for using hypotheticals. I'd be happy with any of those guys as my QB2 if it means that my RB1 is Arian Foster, rather than SJax/Murray/Charles.

 

[chickensoup]

Like I said entirely depends on how everyone drafts. If its my home league and I take foster first I'm looking at Payton manning as a starter at best who is ranked about 9th or 10th. So it depends on what everyone else wants to do.

The more QB taken in the first 2 rounds the better your team will be if you take Rodgers first overall because valuable RB slip. If you don't think that's going to happen and you think you can get a Romo at the 2/3 turn then 100% you should do it. It's just risky

 

[Warrior]

What do you guys think about being 'that guy' who waits until the mid rounds to take both of your QBs? If you wait until 15 or so are gone, you can grab someone like Carson Palmer to go with Andrew Luck or Ryan Fitzpatrick. That way, you can grab a stud RB or WR in the first round and someone like Roddy White or Demarco Murray early on.

I feel like anyone new to 2QB drafts would probably lean toward that strategy, as QB's flying off the board early on would discombobulate them a bit. Are you totally screwed if you go this route?

 

[fightingillini]

Now I haven't played in a MUST start 2QB league, but I play in superflex leagues where it pays to start 2QBs, so the draft is similar to a must start 2QBs.

In those leagues, QBs go early and often.....just like RBs. I would highly recommend taking 1 QB in the first 3 rounds and you must have 2 by Round 5. If I am drafting early, I take 2QBs in the 1st 4 rounds, since by the late 5th the QB pickings are not that great. Depending on who is available, taking QB-QB in the 1st two rounds is a viable strategy. If you want an elite QB, you HAVE to take him in Round 1.......None of Rodgers, Brees, Brady and likely Stafford and Newtwon won't last past the first 10-12 picks.

Also I highly recommend handcuffing your QB starters if you have the roster space to do so. The last thing you want is to have 3 QBs, 1 of them on bye and 1 of them is out with injury.

Also, I recommend drafting 4 QBs if you can. QBs are gold in a start 2QB league, the good ones are worth just as much as a Foster or Rice will.

Expect at least 20 QBs to be gone by the first 50-55 picks. That's been my experience in a ten teamer.....if you play in a 12 teamer, I would expect the QBs to go even faster than than, since a few teams won't even be able to field a backup QB that starts.

 

[butcher boy]

What do you guys think about being 'that guy' who waits until the mid rounds to take both of your QBs? If you wait until 15 or so are gone, you can grab someone like Carson Palmer to go with Andrew Luck or Ryan Fitzpatrick. That way, you can grab a stud RB or WR in the first round and someone like Roddy White or Demarco Murray early on.I feel like anyone new to 2QB drafts would probably lean toward that strategy, as QB's flying off the board early on would discombobulate them a bit. Are you totally screwed if you go this route?

I can only go by what I've seen in my 2 QB league. Those that go for 2 QBs relatively early are in the playoffs more often than not, and guys who don't are usually watching.If you wait on Palmer or Luck you're really gambling that they will both pan out because if they don't, there will be nothing but crap on the waiver wire. The first year I was in this league, I didn't realize this and waited for my QBs. When David Garrard didn't pan out, I was left starting Jamarcus Russell a couple weeks because there was no one else on waivers.

 

[fightingillini]

What do you guys think about being 'that guy' who waits until the mid rounds to take both of your QBs? If you wait until 15 or so are gone, you can grab someone like Carson Palmer to go with Andrew Luck or Ryan Fitzpatrick. That way, you can grab a stud RB or WR in the first round and someone like Roddy White or Demarco Murray early on.I feel like anyone new to 2QB drafts would probably lean toward that strategy, as QB's flying off the board early on would discombobulate them a bit. Are you totally screwed if you go this route?

You risk an awful lot with this strategy. The top 15 QBs will be gone by Round 3 in most start 2QB leagues. So you can't wait that long or you will be trotting out a Andrew Luck/Mark Sanchez combo. Generally, in a ten teamer, if you have an early pick, I would take the elite RB and take a Ryan/Roethlisberger combo with the next picks. Starting out with Rodgers and going from there is fine too. You have to think QB are as valuable as RBs in this format.

 

[fightingillini]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

I agree. In a 12 teamer, I am likely going Rodgers 1.1 and taking it from there. In a 2QB start league, the law of supply and demand goes way up going from 10 teams to 12 teams. If I am drafting in the middle or late 1st, I am seriously considering QB-QB out of the gate. So I wouldn't be suprised if 12-13 QBs are gone by pick 24 in a 12 teamer. So you draft Foster 1.1, you're likely looking at a Cutler/Palmer combo. Taking Foster 1.1 in this spot almost forces you to take 2QBs with your next 2 picks, since by pick 36, the pickings would be slim at QB....you're looking at the Sam Bradford types.

So in a 12 teamer, if I have the 1.1 pick, you take Rodgers and work from there. I wouldn't be surprised if a really good RB slips to you like McFadden. Still doubtful, but if the QB run is really big, it's possible to have McFadden sitting there at pick 24. I can see many owners shying away from McFadden to take solid QBs like Ryan or Romo or Rivers.

 

[Warrior]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

I agree. In a 12 teamer, I am likely going Rodgers 1.1 and taking it from there. In a 2QB start league, the law of supply and demand goes way up going from 10 teams to 12 teams. If I am drafting in the middle or late 1st, I am seriously considering QB-QB out of the gate. So I wouldn't be suprised if 12-13 QBs are gone by pick 24 in a 12 teamer. So you draft Foster 1.1, you're likely looking at a Cutler/Palmer combo. Taking Foster 1.1 in this spot almost forces you to take 2QBs with your next 2 picks, since by pick 36, the pickings would be slim at QB....you're looking at the Sam Bradford types.

So in a 12 teamer, if I have the 1.1 pick, you take Rodgers and work from there. I wouldn't be surprised if a really good RB slips to you like McFadden. Still doubtful, but if the QB run is really big, it's possible to have McFadden sitting there at pick 24. I can see many owners shying away from McFadden to take solid QBs like Ryan or Romo or Rivers.

Of course it varies, but I really doubt Cutler/Palmer are the best QBs available at pick #24 in most 2QB leagues. In my recent draft, Romo, Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, RG3, etc. were all available at that point. That was a superflex league, though. I guess if both Qb positions are straight QB/QB, or if it's a 6pt passing TD league, you have less flexibility.

 

[fightingillini]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

I agree. In a 12 teamer, I am likely going Rodgers 1.1 and taking it from there. In a 2QB start league, the law of supply and demand goes way up going from 10 teams to 12 teams. If I am drafting in the middle or late 1st, I am seriously considering QB-QB out of the gate. So I wouldn't be suprised if 12-13 QBs are gone by pick 24 in a 12 teamer. So you draft Foster 1.1, you're likely looking at a Cutler/Palmer combo. Taking Foster 1.1 in this spot almost forces you to take 2QBs with your next 2 picks, since by pick 36, the pickings would be slim at QB....you're looking at the Sam Bradford types.

So in a 12 teamer, if I have the 1.1 pick, you take Rodgers and work from there. I wouldn't be surprised if a really good RB slips to you like McFadden. Still doubtful, but if the QB run is really big, it's possible to have McFadden sitting there at pick 24. I can see many owners shying away from McFadden to take solid QBs like Ryan or Romo or Rivers.

Of course it varies, but I really doubt Cutler/Palmer are the best QBs available at pick #24 in most 2QB leagues. In my recent draft, Romo, Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, RG3, etc. were all available at that point. That was a superflex league, though. I guess if both Qb positions are straight QB/QB, or if it's a 6pt passing TD league, you have less flexibility.

Superflex and mandatory start 2QBs are different. I agree in superflex, Romo/Rivers/Ryan would be available in the end of Round 2. In my superflex last year, I took Romo with the 29th pick. Ryan and Rivers were already gone at that point. In a mandatory start 2QB league, you have to treat the position a lot like the RB position.......high demand low supply. I would doubt Romo, Rivers or Ryan would make it back to the 24th pick in a 12 team mandatory start 2QB league.Point is.....you pass on a QB at 1.1, you risk your QB combo is a Cutler/Palmer. In most 12 team leagues, I would rather take Rodgers at 1.1 and work from there.

 

[Warrior]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

I agree. In a 12 teamer, I am likely going Rodgers 1.1 and taking it from there. In a 2QB start league, the law of supply and demand goes way up going from 10 teams to 12 teams. If I am drafting in the middle or late 1st, I am seriously considering QB-QB out of the gate. So I wouldn't be suprised if 12-13 QBs are gone by pick 24 in a 12 teamer. So you draft Foster 1.1, you're likely looking at a Cutler/Palmer combo. Taking Foster 1.1 in this spot almost forces you to take 2QBs with your next 2 picks, since by pick 36, the pickings would be slim at QB....you're looking at the Sam Bradford types.

So in a 12 teamer, if I have the 1.1 pick, you take Rodgers and work from there. I wouldn't be surprised if a really good RB slips to you like McFadden. Still doubtful, but if the QB run is really big, it's possible to have McFadden sitting there at pick 24. I can see many owners shying away from McFadden to take solid QBs like Ryan or Romo or Rivers.

Of course it varies, but I really doubt Cutler/Palmer are the best QBs available at pick #24 in most 2QB leagues. In my recent draft, Romo, Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, RG3, etc. were all available at that point. That was a superflex league, though. I guess if both Qb positions are straight QB/QB, or if it's a 6pt passing TD league, you have less flexibility.

Superflex and mandatory start 2QBs are different. I agree in superflex, Romo/Rivers/Ryan would be available in the end of Round 2. In my superflex last year, I took Romo with the 29th pick. Ryan and Rivers were already gone at that point. In a mandatory start 2QB league, you have to treat the position a lot like the RB position.......high demand low supply. I would doubt Romo, Rivers or Ryan would make it back to the 24th pick in a 12 team mandatory start 2QB league.Point is.....you pass on a QB at 1.1, you risk your QB combo is a Cutler/Palmer. In most 12 team leagues, I would rather take Rodgers at 1.1 and work from there.

Gotcha, I think we're on the same page now. I'd agree that Rodgers at 1.01 makes a lot of sense in 2 QB mandatory leagues. For superflex, I'd still go Foster and hope one or two of those guys are there for me at 2.12 and 3.01. In the worst-case scenario, if all of those QBs are gone in a superflex league at 2/3, I'm probably passing on them both and taking Fitzgerald/Gronk/Chris Johnson or whatever crazy value fell to me while everyone else was hoarding QBs. In that scenario, I start that player in my superflex and then go for a guy like Schaub or Flacco at the 4/5 turn, followed up by a sleeper or two like Bradford/Luck/Fitzpatrick at the 6/7 turn.

 

[Ray_T]

If you have the 1.1 spot, you take Rodgers no question, then at 2.12 you see what's out there. If QBs in Romo/Manning/Ryan's tier are out there you grab one. If everyone did go QB/QB and Foster is still around (he won't be), you take him.

I'll challenge the assertion that Aaron Rodgers is the clear 1.01 in a league with 4pt passing TDs and where the second QB slot is a flex position. I think Arian Foster is still more valuable than A-rod in these leagues, though it's close.Foster + Romo + Manning (either) looks much better to me than ARod + Romo + Steven Jackson or Demarco Murray, and I think that would be a typical outcome.

You might not be able to get Romo + Manning though. It can be very hard to tell what kind of QBs you will end up with in a league capable of starting 2 QB with 12 teams.You have to figure the top 5 QB will be gone by the 12th or 14th pick. you also have to figure a person who took a non QB round 1 will possibly (I say probably) take a QB in the second round before it gets back to them with Freeman as their weekly option. It's also possible that if someone took an elite guy they see say, Manning or Ryan and pull the trigger knowing that if they dont their second starter will be a Freeman type as well. It's just so hard to tell sometimes.

If you take Rodgers at 1.01 you don't necessarily care who is left to you at the 2.12/3.01 turn to pick from. If you take foster first you are gambling that out of the next 22 picks, there wont be 10 or more QB taken when you can (and should) start 2.

I agree. In a 12 teamer, I am likely going Rodgers 1.1 and taking it from there. In a 2QB start league, the law of supply and demand goes way up going from 10 teams to 12 teams. If I am drafting in the middle or late 1st, I am seriously considering QB-QB out of the gate. So I wouldn't be suprised if 12-13 QBs are gone by pick 24 in a 12 teamer. So you draft Foster 1.1, you're likely looking at a Cutler/Palmer combo. Taking Foster 1.1 in this spot almost forces you to take 2QBs with your next 2 picks, since by pick 36, the pickings would be slim at QB....you're looking at the Sam Bradford types.

So in a 12 teamer, if I have the 1.1 pick, you take Rodgers and work from there. I wouldn't be surprised if a really good RB slips to you like McFadden. Still doubtful, but if the QB run is really big, it's possible to have McFadden sitting there at pick 24. I can see many owners shying away from McFadden to take solid QBs like Ryan or Romo or Rivers.

Of course it varies, but I really doubt Cutler/Palmer are the best QBs available at pick #24 in most 2QB leagues. In my recent draft, Romo, Ryan, Peyton, Rivers, RG3, etc. were all available at that point. That was a superflex league, though. I guess if both Qb positions are straight QB/QB, or if it's a 6pt passing TD league, you have less flexibility.

Superflex and mandatory start 2QBs are different. I agree in superflex, Romo/Rivers/Ryan would be available in the end of Round 2. In my superflex last year, I took Romo with the 29th pick. Ryan and Rivers were already gone at that point. In a mandatory start 2QB league, you have to treat the position a lot like the RB position.......high demand low supply. I would doubt Romo, Rivers or Ryan would make it back to the 24th pick in a 12 team mandatory start 2QB league.Point is.....you pass on a QB at 1.1, you risk your QB combo is a Cutler/Palmer. In most 12 team leagues, I would rather take Rodgers at 1.1 and work from there.

I would agree.Rodgers at 1.1. and I would bet money that when you draft at the turn, 2.12 and 3.01 there is a decent chance you will probably still get a stud RB.

I could see a few of the people drafting at 2.08, 2.09 or 2.10 maybe grabbing a stud RB knowing they'll get a shot at another QB early in round 3, but I'd guess you'd get the #4-#8 ranked RB on the board.