ADP vs McFadden (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

Based on another thread, I thought it would be good to isolate one of the discussions. The core of the questions is this:

Bob McGinn of the Journal Sentinal online spoke with NFL scouts about the players that should be available in the 2008 draft...here is what he had to report:"McFadden is better than (Adrian) Peterson, and Peterson is rookie of the year," one scout said. "He's a little bit bigger than Peterson and he can just flat-out run. Unlike Peterson, he hasn't had injuries. He has it all. Darren is just a natural football player."

Very interesting. I don't follow much college football and don't know much about Peterson aside from what we saw ths year. What do you guys think? Who will be a better pro? Who will put up better FF stats?

 

[Chunky Soup]

Not really close. AP.

 

[Steelnation]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

 

[FavreCo]

Since this thread will probably show up sometime in 2008, remember that Peterson runs behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. The same OL that Chester Taylor looks like an all pro behind. McFadden may not be so lucky.

 

[2and2is5]

Since this thread will probably show up sometime in 2008, remember that Peterson runs behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. The same OL that Chester Taylor looks like an all pro behind. McFadden may not be so lucky.

thats what it'll come down to, put McFadden behind that vikings OL and sky is the limit, i think he could do better than ADP...but McFadden could end up in more than a couple unfavorable situations...

 

[Chunky Soup]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

Because as a freshman in college AP showed more potential than McFadden does right now. Not that McFadden won't be great, but AP is on another tier.

 

[EBF]

ADP by a mile.

McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

 

[FFdork]

Though it's far from common, I think there have been a number of NFL RB prospects with similar physical talents to AP and McFadden. What very few have is the vision and instincts for the game that AP has shown. Maybe others are good at seeing these "intangibles" in college and projecting them to the pros, but I find them to be exceedingly hard to evaluate at that level (apparently, so do NFL front offices and scouts who seem to get to hung up on guys' combine numbers year in and year out).

So, until McFadden starts to suit up against NFL defenses it's hard to for me to go against AP. McFadden is certainly an elite prospect though.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

 

[3nOut]

Since this thread will probably show up sometime in 2008, remember that Peterson runs behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. The same OL that Chester Taylor looks like an all pro behind. McFadden may not be so lucky.

I agree that situation greatly influences performance, but that aside, who has the better talent? Bob McGinn in the quote says its McFadden.

 

[Colin Dowling]

They are actually very different runners. Toss aside the Vikings O-line (which is one of the best in the league and helps Peterson a ton), McFadden and Peterson do most everything very differently when running the ball.

Peterson runs over people. Yes, he has tremendous agility and "moves". In fact, I think that's the part people forgot about and thus folks are surprised a bit by how good he's been. But Peterson is a lower the shoulder, drive the defender in to the turf kind of guy. He isn't a tremendous pass-catcher and while he's decent at pass-blocking, he still is learning a lot. Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.

McFadden, IMO, is more shifty then Peterson in the traditional sense of the word. Peterson has had some tremendous moves this season. McFadden's talents seem to be in more left-to-right movement then Peterson has shown. They are similar in speed and size and are difficult to tackle due to that size and speed. McFadden is a better pass-catcher but the assumption that he's going to be a huge weapon in the passing game is a bit faulty in my opinion. McFadden can throw the ball too, which is useful about 3 times a year in the NFL (see: LT) but gets people excited anyway.

They are similar in a lot of ways. Size and speed are all comparable. I think Peterson is the more physical/powerful guy while McFadden is the most shifty. But that's a little unfair: both are physical, both are shifty, both have great size, both are fast. The (unfortunate) comparisons over the next 6 months will try and say "Ap = LJ whereas McFadden = LT". I think those comparisons are too convenient and not all that fair, especially when Peterson's body of work in the NFL is small and McFadden's is non-existent. If you put a gun to my head and said to compare these guys to NFL players I've seen extensively, I'd be more inclined to compare Peterson to Jamaal Lewis and McFadden to Ricky Williams.

ETA: I think Peterson is the better talent and is in a better situation.

 

[Colin Dowling]

ADP by a mile. McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

And Peterson may not end up being the best from his class, either. But if you are wanting to bet pre-draft that JOn Stewart will have a better career then McFadden, I'd be very inclined to take that bet.

 

[happy_donut]

ADP by a mile. McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

And Peterson may not end up being the best from his class, either. But if you are wanting to bet pre-draft that JOn Stewart will have a better career then McFadden, I'd be very inclined to take that bet.

Would you take that bet against Felix Jones? I think I've seen EBF post that Felix Jones might be better than McFadden.

 

[Colin Dowling]

ADP by a mile. McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

And Peterson may not end up being the best from his class, either. But if you are wanting to bet pre-draft that JOn Stewart will have a better career then McFadden, I'd be very inclined to take that bet.

Would you take that bet against Felix Jones? I think I've seen EBF post that Felix Jones might be better than McFadden.

Yes.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

ADP by a mile. McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

Peterson is way better than McFadden. McFadden has outstanding acceleration and speed, however his lateral movement and vision aren't as good as Peterson's and he isn't nearly as "tough" a runner as he should be given his size. When you watch him you get blown away by his long, fast, mostly straight runs. But if you watch more closely you'll see times that he is stopped for little yardage when if he had the vision or lateral movement or even power to run someone over, he would have had a better gain. He's still a great runner, but I think he would have to land in the perfect situation to be as good as Peterson.

 

[weasel3515]

Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.

He didn't look like he went forward much at all yesterday.If McFadden can end up behind a decent o-line then he'll do every bit as well. Anyone think the Dolphins, who have shown the ability to run the ball inexplicably well this season, take McFadden as insurance to Ronnie Brown's knee injury?

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Since this thread will probably show up sometime in 2008, remember that Peterson runs behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. The same OL that Chester Taylor looks like an all pro behind. McFadden may not be so lucky.

Stop. The Patriots aren't THAT bad at run blocking.

 

[KellysHeroes]

McFadden is very interesting... sometimes hes ADP and Sometimes hes Reggie Bush. This Draft is going to be very Fun to watch.

 

[Domination]

ADP by a mile.

McFadden might not even be the best RB from his class when it's all said and done.

Peterson is way better than McFadden. McFadden has outstanding acceleration and speed, however his lateral movement and vision aren't as good as Peterson's and he isn't nearly as "tough" a runner as he should be given his size. When you watch him you get blown away by his long, fast, mostly straight runs. But if you watch more closely you'll see times that he is stopped for little yardage when if he had the vision or lateral movement or even power to run someone over, he would have had a better gain. He's still a great runner, but I think he would have to land in the perfect situation to be as good as Peterson.

I think that Peterson landed in the perfect situation. I was actually thinking about this earlier today and had plans of posting it later. AD was being watched since he was in high school, whereas McFadden has only come on in the last 2 years. I think McFadden is a great talent and if he were to get into a good situation, he could be very successful, but AD already is. I think the only way that McFadden surpasses AD would be due to injuries, but with his history that is very possible.

 

[Domination]

Since this thread will probably show up sometime in 2008, remember that Peterson runs behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the league. The same OL that Chester Taylor looks like an all pro behind. McFadden may not be so lucky.

Stop. The Patriots aren't THAT bad at run blocking.

I personnally think he ends up with the Jets, seeing as they have seen what a top tier RB in Lynch can do for a team. But wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Raiders make the move up to get him, in order to pair him with Russell.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.

He didn't look like he went forward much at all yesterday.If McFadden can end up behind a decent o-line then he'll do every bit as well. Anyone think the Dolphins, who have shown the ability to run the ball inexplicably well this season, take McFadden as insurance to Ronnie Brown's knee injury?

Do people really think that this kind of thing passes as a decent argument?

 

[Burning Sensation]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

 

[3nOut]

They are actually very different runners. Toss aside the Vikings O-line (which is one of the best in the league and helps Peterson a ton), McFadden and Peterson do most everything very differently when running the ball.Peterson runs over people. Yes, he has tremendous agility and "moves". In fact, I think that's the part people forgot about and thus folks are surprised a bit by how good he's been. But Peterson is a lower the shoulder, drive the defender in to the turf kind of guy. He isn't a tremendous pass-catcher and while he's decent at pass-blocking, he still is learning a lot. Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.McFadden, IMO, is more shifty then Peterson in the traditional sense of the word. Peterson has had some tremendous moves this season. McFadden's talents seem to be in more left-to-right movement then Peterson has shown. They are similar in speed and size and are difficult to tackle due to that size and speed. McFadden is a better pass-catcher but the assumption that he's going to be a huge weapon in the passing game is a bit faulty in my opinion. McFadden can throw the ball too, which is useful about 3 times a year in the NFL (see: LT) but gets people excited anyway.They are similar in a lot of ways. Size and speed are all comparable. I think Peterson is the more physical/powerful guy while McFadden is the most shifty. But that's a little unfair: both are physical, both are shifty, both have great size, both are fast. The (unfortunate) comparisons over the next 6 months will try and say "Ap = LJ whereas McFadden = LT". I think those comparisons are too convenient and not all that fair, especially when Peterson's body of work in the NFL is small and McFadden's is non-existent. If you put a gun to my head and said to compare these guys to NFL players I've seen extensively, I'd be more inclined to compare Peterson to Jamaal Lewis and McFadden to Ricky Williams.ETA: I think Peterson is the better talent and is in a better situation.

Thanks. That said, if McFadden ends up in a favorable situation, would you rather target him or Peterson? And which situations would you consider good for him? Which are the bad ones?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.

He didn't look like he went forward much at all yesterday.If McFadden can end up behind a decent o-line then he'll do every bit as well. Anyone think the Dolphins, who have shown the ability to run the ball inexplicably well this season, take McFadden as insurance to Ronnie Brown's knee injury?

Do people really think that this kind of thing passes as a decent argument?

Its worth pointing out when you capitalize "always".

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

This year he has been, and LT hasn't been injured. 6.1 YPC even after the SF game. I didn't say AD will have a better career than LT, but he has had a better year than LT, and LT has been healthier.

 

[Burning Sensation]

If AD was traded in a draft day deal that brought Mcfadden to the Vikings, i would look for the same numbers out of DM as i do Peterson. The only differnce is, Mcfadden isnt as physical a runner as AD, so i would expect less injury. Maybe Mcfadden would catch a few more passes as well.

 

[Colin Dowling]

They are actually very different runners. Toss aside the Vikings O-line (which is one of the best in the league and helps Peterson a ton), McFadden and Peterson do most everything very differently when running the ball.Peterson runs over people. Yes, he has tremendous agility and "moves". In fact, I think that's the part people forgot about and thus folks are surprised a bit by how good he's been. But Peterson is a lower the shoulder, drive the defender in to the turf kind of guy. He isn't a tremendous pass-catcher and while he's decent at pass-blocking, he still is learning a lot. Also, Peterson is almost ALWAYS going forward. Even when he's juking and spinning, he's still gaining yardage.McFadden, IMO, is more shifty then Peterson in the traditional sense of the word. Peterson has had some tremendous moves this season. McFadden's talents seem to be in more left-to-right movement then Peterson has shown. They are similar in speed and size and are difficult to tackle due to that size and speed. McFadden is a better pass-catcher but the assumption that he's going to be a huge weapon in the passing game is a bit faulty in my opinion. McFadden can throw the ball too, which is useful about 3 times a year in the NFL (see: LT) but gets people excited anyway.They are similar in a lot of ways. Size and speed are all comparable. I think Peterson is the more physical/powerful guy while McFadden is the most shifty. But that's a little unfair: both are physical, both are shifty, both have great size, both are fast. The (unfortunate) comparisons over the next 6 months will try and say "Ap = LJ whereas McFadden = LT". I think those comparisons are too convenient and not all that fair, especially when Peterson's body of work in the NFL is small and McFadden's is non-existent. If you put a gun to my head and said to compare these guys to NFL players I've seen extensively, I'd be more inclined to compare Peterson to Jamaal Lewis and McFadden to Ricky Williams.ETA: I think Peterson is the better talent and is in a better situation.

Thanks. That said, if McFadden ends up in a favorable situation, would you rather target him or Peterson? And which situations would you consider good for him? Which are the bad ones?

Peterson. Aside from the fact we know Peterson's situation (line) and have seen him succeed, I prefer his style of running to that of McFadden. There is a lot of discussion on what team's need an RB and what teams don't. I'm not sure I think that any situation would be better then Minnesota's was for Peterson. I could see an argument for Cleveland being a great opp. I think that Oakland would be a good opportunity for him. I think that the Jets would be mediocre. I think that Arizona would be mediocre. I think New England would be bad, just because they're going to throw first as long as Brady and Moss are there (wouldn't you?). Atlanta...eh...not too exciting. St. Louis and Cincy I don't see taking an RB. Kansas City, NO, Baltimore neither. Houston would be a middle of the road opportunity.For the team's drafting in the top-10 (currently), Oakland is by far the best opportunity IMO.

 

[Colin Dowling]

If AD was traded in a draft day deal that brought Mcfadden to the Vikings, i would look for the same numbers out of DM as i do Peterson. The only differnce is, Mcfadden isnt as physical a runner as AD, so i would expect less injury. Maybe Mcfadden would catch a few more passes as well.

I would think that would mean fewer YAC.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

Because as a freshman in college AP showed more potential than McFadden does right now. Not that McFadden won't be great, but AP is on another tier.

Yep - Anyone that has followed AP knows that the level of excitement generated as a freshman by his play was the level that McFadden gets now. I've seen McFadden - he's good. But...AP has looked to be on another level for years. AP broke the rushing record his rookie year. AP was the rushing leader after missing several games and rarely getting more than 20 carries when he did play. Compared to McFadden, AP has better vision and another level of both speed and strength.A bet of AP vs McFadden would be the easiest money someone could ever make.

 

[KellysHeroes]

The injury history of ADP must be brought to attention... the guy was injuried 3 times in his 3 college yrs and had a minor injury in limited duty as a rook. We all seen what type of beast this kid can develop into; but it just seems to me that he will be that guy that can't complete a full season. As far I know... DMac has no history of injury, which makes him the safer bet.

pound of pound / player vs player / its ADP all the way.

 

[KellysHeroes]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wFdnSO_IDa8&feature=related

after watching that... ADP is more physcal where DMac just burns people... DMac to me is taking ADP's body with Bush's Skill / Speed. DMac will be successful in the NFL.

 

[Burning Sensation]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

This year he has been, and LT hasn't been injured. 6.1 YPC even after the SF game. I didn't say AD will have a better career than LT, but he has had a better year than LT, and LT has been healthier.

First off, you said in LT's prime, and while he is still in, or near his prime, this is not the year i would use as the example. Also, isnt durability part of what you want out of your RB, i dont care if Peterson is not producing because he is hurt, fact is, he is not producing. Anyway, to say he is a cut above LT and the best since Barry is a bit premature.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wFdnSO_IDa8&feature=related

after watching that... ADP is more physcal where DMac just burns people... DMac to me is taking ADP's body with Bush's Skill / Speed. DMac will be successful in the NFL.

But that's the rub. In the NFL you can't just burn as many people. You have to be more physical. Can DMac adjust?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

This year he has been, and LT hasn't been injured. 6.1 YPC even after the SF game. I didn't say AD will have a better career than LT, but he has had a better year than LT, and LT has been healthier.

First off, you said in LT's prime, and while he is still in, or near his prime, this is not the year i would use as the example. Also, isnt durability part of what you want out of your RB, i dont care if Peterson is not producing because he is hurt, fact is, he is not producing. Anyway, to say he is a cut above LT and the best since Barry is a bit premature.

Again, context. I said he's a cut above LT THIS YEAR. He is, despite his injury. Is there any question that Peterson has been the better running back this year? Tomlinson has 1195 rushing yards on 265 carries. Peterson has 1200 rushing yards on 198 carries. Tomlinson has 464 yards on 55 receptions. Peterson has 230 yards on 16 receptions.

 

[EBF]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wFdnSO_IDa8&feature=related

after watching that... ADP is more physcal where DMac just burns people... DMac to me is taking ADP's body with Bush's Skill / Speed. DMac will be successful in the NFL.

McFadden isn't nearly as strong as AD. He's built more like a WR than a RB.

 

[cartel]

The injury history of ADP must be brought to attention... the guy was injuried 3 times in his 3 college yrs and had a minor injury in limited duty as a rook. We all seen what type of beast this kid can develop into; but it just seems to me that he will be that guy that can't complete a full season. As far I know... DMac has no history of injury, which makes him the safer bet. pound of pound / player vs player / its ADP all the way.

Part of being a great RB is staying on the field.

 

[Burning Sensation]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

This year he has been, and LT hasn't been injured. 6.1 YPC even after the SF game. I didn't say AD will have a better career than LT, but he has had a better year than LT, and LT has been healthier.

First off, you said in LT's prime, and while he is still in, or near his prime, this is not the year i would use as the example. Also, isnt durability part of what you want out of your RB, i dont care if Peterson is not producing because he is hurt, fact is, he is not producing. Anyway, to say he is a cut above LT and the best since Barry is a bit premature.

Again, context. I said he's a cut above LT THIS YEAR. He is, despite his injury. Is there any question that Peterson has been the better running back this year? Tomlinson has 1195 rushing yards on 265 carries. Peterson has 1200 rushing yards on 198 carries. Tomlinson has 464 yards on 55 receptions. Peterson has 230 yards on 16 receptions.

Did you not say this?

Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders

and this?

he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime

Also, LT has more total yards and TD's THIS year, so yes, i would say there is some question that AD has been better than LT.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Did you not say this?

Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders

and this?

he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime

Also, LT has more total yards and TD's THIS year, so yes, i would say there is some question that AD has been better than LT.

I see. The first was a typo. I meant to say "looks like the best rookie running back since Barry Sanders". I do not think it reasonable to call AD the best running back since Sanders; that is a statement about a career and I have no idea what will come of AD's career (as I implied in my initial post, I'm not convinced that he will stay as healthy as Barry/Marshall/LT/Emmitt).The second quote is clearly referring to a particular timeframe, i.e. this year. I do think that as a rookie, AD has been a cut above LT. Do you disagree with that?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Did you not say this?

Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders

and this?

he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime

Also, LT has more total yards and TD's THIS year, so yes, i would say there is some question that AD has been better than LT.

I see. The first was a typo. I meant to say "looks like the best rookie running back since Barry Sanders". I do not think it reasonable to call AD the best running back since Sanders; that is a statement about a career and I have no idea what will come of AD's career (as I implied in my initial post, I'm not convinced that he will stay as healthy as Barry/Marshall/LT/Emmitt).The second quote is clearly referring to a particular timeframe, i.e. this year. I do think that as a rookie, AD has been a cut above LT. Do you disagree with that?

Yes, i would say AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT did during his. However, if you are only comparing rookie years, not sure why you had to go as far back as Sanders. Edge had a better rookie season than Barry, and probably better than AD will have.

 

[HHZ2000]

I don't follow college football which means that I haven't seen much of McFadden, so let me just say that I realize I'm speaking with very limited knowledge.

I youtubed McFadden and from his highlights, it seems that he's mainly a straight line runner. He looks tall and lanky and yes, his speed and acceleration are elite, but he never really displayed any other outstanding attributes, like shiftiness, vision and lateral quickness. I can't decide if this is just a testament to how good he is because he seemed to glide right by people and generally looked unchallenged. He doesn't appear to be that powerful of a runner, though - he runs pretty upright and he doesn't flash that same explosiveness and power that Adrian does. Adrian looks explosive whereas McFadden looks smooth. Ultimately, in my limited analysis I'd say Peterson is the better talent because Peterson has the elite acceleration and speed along with the vision, shiftiness and power. You know Peterson is almost guaranteed to get a couple more yards after contact but you also know that he has the home-run ability. McFadden has the home-run abililty but he's lanky and doesn't have that same power that Peterson does.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Yes, i would say AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT did during his. However, if you are only comparing rookie years, not sure why you had to go as far back as Sanders. Edge had a better rookie season than Barry, and probably better than AD will have.

I'm actually saying that AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT does now, in his seventh season, when he is unquestionably in his prime (although not "the prime of his prime"). I'm not saying that AD's career will be better than LT's (or close for that matter), my point is simply that you have to be blown away by how good AD has looked this year.I don't agree on Edge having a better rookie season. Fantasy, maybe; real-world, no. The #1 stat I care about for RB's is YPC (also YPR for receiving). Obviously there are other factors, but all things being equal, that's what impresses me.In his rookie season, AD has 6.1 YPC, even after that game. In Terrell Davis' monster year, he had 5.1 YPC. Barry Sanders had 5.7 in his sixth year and 6.1 in his ninth year. Jamal Lewis had 5.3 in his monster year. Dickerson had 5.6 in his monster year. Jim Brown's best years were 6.4, 5.9, 5.8, 5.3, 5.2. O.J. Simpson's best years were 6.0, 5.5, 5.2. Campbell had 5.2 in his monster year. Bo Jackson was a ridiculous 5.4 over his career, but on limited carries. Tomlinson had 5.3 his second year, and 5.2 last year.Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that puts AD's 6.1 YPC in super-duper-elite territory, tied for #2 all time with Barry Sanders' best year. Blowing away the record for best YPC as a rookie with 200+ carries.LT's rookie year: 339-1236 (3.6) and 59-367 (6.2)Edge's rookie year: 369-1553 (4.2) 62-586 (9.5)Barry's rookie year: 280-1470 (5.2) 24-282 (11.8)Dickerson's rookie year: 390-1808 (4.6) 51-404 (7.9)AD: 198-1200 (6.1) 16-230 (14.4)On pace for: 252-1527 (6.1) 20-293 (14.4)I stand by my statement that we have not seen a rookie RB this impressive since Barry. Only time will tell how good AD's career will be.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i would say AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT did during his. However, if you are only comparing rookie years, not sure why you had to go as far back as Sanders. Edge had a better rookie season than Barry, and probably better than AD will have.

I'm actually saying that AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT does now, in his seventh season, when he is unquestionably in his prime (although not "the prime of his prime"). I'm not saying that AD's career will be better than LT's (or close for that matter), my point is simply that you have to be blown away by how good AD has looked this year.I don't agree on Edge having a better rookie season. Fantasy, maybe; real-world, no. The #1 stat I care about for RB's is YPC (also YPR for receiving). Obviously there are other factors, but all things being equal, that's what impresses me.

In his rookie season, AD has 6.1 YPC, even after that game. In Terrell Davis' monster year, he had 5.1 YPC. Barry Sanders had 5.7 in his sixth year and 6.1 in his ninth year. Jamal Lewis had 5.3 in his monster year. Dickerson had 5.6 in his monster year. Jim Brown's best years were 6.4, 5.9, 5.8, 5.3, 5.2. O.J. Simpson's best years were 6.0, 5.5, 5.2. Campbell had 5.2 in his monster year. Bo Jackson was a ridiculous 5.4 over his career, but on limited carries. Tomlinson had 5.3 his second year, and 5.2 last year.

Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that puts AD's 6.1 YPC in super-duper-elite territory, tied for #2 all time with Barry Sanders' best year. Blowing away the record for best YPC as a rookie with 200+ carries.

LT's rookie year: 339-1236 (3.6) and 59-367 (6.2)

Edge's rookie year: 369-1553 (4.2) 62-586 (9.5)

Barry's rookie year: 280-1470 (5.2) 24-282 (11.8)

Dickerson's rookie year: 390-1808 (4.6) 51-404 (7.9)

AD: 198-1200 (6.1) 16-230 (14.4)

On pace for: 252-1527 (6.1) 20-293 (14.4)

I stand by my statement that we have not seen a rookie RB this impressive since Barry. Only time will tell how good AD's career will be.

Well, if you dont count last year.Jerious Norwood's rookie year: 99-633 (6.4)

 

[thehornet]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

Because as a freshman in college AP showed more potential than McFadden does right now. Not that McFadden won't be great, but AP is on another tier.

absolutely disagree 100%. McFadden is bigger and faster than AP. They both have enormous talent. It is quite rare to see to backs of their ability in back to back years. amazing actually. McFadden is a can't miss stud.Edit to add:I say this with complete admiration for ADP and what he has done as a rookie, but let's speak frankly. He is running behind (arguably) the best O line since the Dallas O Line when Emmitt was running. Chester Taylor has looked like an All-Pro benind that line and we all know he is a fairly marginal back.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Yes, i would say AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT did during his. However, if you are only comparing rookie years, not sure why you had to go as far back as Sanders. Edge had a better rookie season than Barry, and probably better than AD will have.

I'm actually saying that AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT does now, in his seventh season, when he is unquestionably in his prime (although not "the prime of his prime"). I'm not saying that AD's career will be better than LT's (or close for that matter), my point is simply that you have to be blown away by how good AD has looked this year.I don't agree on Edge having a better rookie season. Fantasy, maybe; real-world, no. The #1 stat I care about for RB's is YPC (also YPR for receiving). Obviously there are other factors, but all things being equal, that's what impresses me.

In his rookie season, AD has 6.1 YPC, even after that game. In Terrell Davis' monster year, he had 5.1 YPC. Barry Sanders had 5.7 in his sixth year and 6.1 in his ninth year. Jamal Lewis had 5.3 in his monster year. Dickerson had 5.6 in his monster year. Jim Brown's best years were 6.4, 5.9, 5.8, 5.3, 5.2. O.J. Simpson's best years were 6.0, 5.5, 5.2. Campbell had 5.2 in his monster year. Bo Jackson was a ridiculous 5.4 over his career, but on limited carries. Tomlinson had 5.3 his second year, and 5.2 last year.

Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that puts AD's 6.1 YPC in super-duper-elite territory, tied for #2 all time with Barry Sanders' best year. Blowing away the record for best YPC as a rookie with 200+ carries.

LT's rookie year: 339-1236 (3.6) and 59-367 (6.2)

Edge's rookie year: 369-1553 (4.2) 62-586 (9.5)

Barry's rookie year: 280-1470 (5.2) 24-282 (11.8)

Dickerson's rookie year: 390-1808 (4.6) 51-404 (7.9)

AD: 198-1200 (6.1) 16-230 (14.4)

On pace for: 252-1527 (6.1) 20-293 (14.4)

I stand by my statement that we have not seen a rookie RB this impressive since Barry. Only time will tell how good AD's career will be.

Well, if you dont count last year.Jerious Norwood's rookie year: 99-633 (6.4)

That's the "all things being equal" part of my statement, and is why I specifically mentioned 200+ carries. I'm sure plenty of people have gotten 6.4 YPC with < 100 carries, and situational (passing downs) RB's often have very high YPC--Tatum Bell, Norwood, Hambrick, etc. come to mind.I doubt you're actually claiming that Norwood's rookie year was nearly as impressive as Peterson's.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Yes, i would say AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT did during his. However, if you are only comparing rookie years, not sure why you had to go as far back as Sanders. Edge had a better rookie season than Barry, and probably better than AD will have.

I'm actually saying that AD looks better now, in his rookie season, than LT does now, in his seventh season, when he is unquestionably in his prime (although not "the prime of his prime"). I'm not saying that AD's career will be better than LT's (or close for that matter), my point is simply that you have to be blown away by how good AD has looked this year.I don't agree on Edge having a better rookie season. Fantasy, maybe; real-world, no. The #1 stat I care about for RB's is YPC (also YPR for receiving). Obviously there are other factors, but all things being equal, that's what impresses me.

In his rookie season, AD has 6.1 YPC, even after that game. In Terrell Davis' monster year, he had 5.1 YPC. Barry Sanders had 5.7 in his sixth year and 6.1 in his ninth year. Jamal Lewis had 5.3 in his monster year. Dickerson had 5.6 in his monster year. Jim Brown's best years were 6.4, 5.9, 5.8, 5.3, 5.2. O.J. Simpson's best years were 6.0, 5.5, 5.2. Campbell had 5.2 in his monster year. Bo Jackson was a ridiculous 5.4 over his career, but on limited carries. Tomlinson had 5.3 his second year, and 5.2 last year.

Unless I'm forgetting somebody, that puts AD's 6.1 YPC in super-duper-elite territory, tied for #2 all time with Barry Sanders' best year. Blowing away the record for best YPC as a rookie with 200+ carries.

LT's rookie year: 339-1236 (3.6) and 59-367 (6.2)

Edge's rookie year: 369-1553 (4.2) 62-586 (9.5)

Barry's rookie year: 280-1470 (5.2) 24-282 (11.8)

Dickerson's rookie year: 390-1808 (4.6) 51-404 (7.9)

AD: 198-1200 (6.1) 16-230 (14.4)

On pace for: 252-1527 (6.1) 20-293 (14.4)

I stand by my statement that we have not seen a rookie RB this impressive since Barry. Only time will tell how good AD's career will be.

Well, if you dont count last year.Jerious Norwood's rookie year: 99-633 (6.4)

That's the "all things being equal" part of my statement, and is why I specifically mentioned 200+ carries. I'm sure plenty of people have gotten 6.4 YPC with < 100 carries, and situational (passing downs) RB's often have very high YPC--Tatum Bell, Norwood, Hambrick, etc. come to mind.I doubt you're actually claiming that Norwood's rookie year was nearly as impressive as Peterson's.

No, my point is you have to take more than YPC into account when determing what makes a RB successful. Thats like using AD's 14.4 YPR as an example. His 16 catches are not a big enough sample size to use as an accurate measure.OK, not counting Norwood, lets stick with last year and use Maurice Jones-Drew: 166 carries, 941 yards, 13 TD's, 5.72 YPC, 46 catches, 436 yards, 9.5 YPR 2TD's.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

Because as a freshman in college AP showed more potential than McFadden does right now. Not that McFadden won't be great, but AP is on another tier.

absolutely disagree 100%. McFadden is bigger and faster than AP. They both have enormous talent. It is quite rare to see to backs of their ability in back to back years. amazing actually. McFadden is a can't miss stud.Edit to add:

I say this with complete admiration for ADP and what he has done as a rookie, but let's speak frankly. He is running behind (arguably) the best O line since the Dallas O Line when Emmitt was running. Chester Taylor has looked like an All-Pro benind that line and we all know he is a fairly marginal back.

Is that true? Link?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

Is that true? Link?

I've seen estimates to McFadden's 40 time as around the same as Peterson, maybe slightly faster. In the 4.3 - 4.4 range.They are each 6'2"; Peterson is 217, McFadden is 205.

 

[thehornet]

Not really close. AP.

How so?

Because as a freshman in college AP showed more potential than McFadden does right now. Not that McFadden won't be great, but AP is on another tier.

absolutely disagree 100%. McFadden is bigger and faster than AP. They both have enormous talent. It is quite rare to see to backs of their ability in back to back years. amazing actually. McFadden is a can't miss stud.Edit to add:

I say this with complete admiration for ADP and what he has done as a rookie, but let's speak frankly. He is running behind (arguably) the best O line since the Dallas O Line when Emmitt was running. Chester Taylor has looked like an All-Pro benind that line and we all know he is a fairly marginal back.

Is that true? Link?

taller. he weighs about 10 less pounds, you're right there. but the kid is only 19, maybe just turned 20. he will put on more weight. I thought it was known that mcfadden was slightly faster, no?

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

No, my point is you have to take more than YPC into account when determing what makes a RB successful. Thats like using AD's 14.4 YPR as an example. His 16 catches are not a big enough sample size to use as an accurate measure.OK, not counting Norwood, lets stick with last year and use Maurice Jones-Drew: 166 carries, 941 yards, 13 TD's, 5.72 YPC, 46 catches, 436 yards, 9.5 YPR 2TD's.

I have very high hopes for MJD as well, but not as high as Peterson.It's hard to tell what exactly your claim is. How good do you think Peterson is? Over the next 10 years, do you think Peterson is going to be the best RB in the NFL, top 5, top 20, or ...?I expect him to have at least 4 pro bowl appearances.

 

[cstu]

McFadden looks like a very talented running back. Adrian Peterson looks like the best running back since Barry Sanders. As a rookie who is still learning the game, he is a cut above first-ballot HOF'er LaDainian Tomlinson in his prime.

We have not seen a combination of size, strength and agility since Bo Jackson. If he can stay healthy for the next ten years, he will own all the records.

This year he has been, and LT hasn't been injured. 6.1 YPC even after the SF game. I didn't say AD will have a better career than LT, but he has had a better year than LT, and LT has been healthier.

You can't compare their numbers since the Vikes OL is >>>>>>>>>>> than the Chargers OL this year.