a_rackowski
Footballguy
After one week neither looks very special at all.
What are the thoughts? What are the projections?"
What are the thoughts? What are the projections?"
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After one week, are expectations still the same for Jacoby Jones and J (1 Viewer)
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Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
It takes a lot more than one week to determine how good most players are, especially rookies.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Depends on what your "expecations" were.
If you expected they would perform like 98% of all rookie WRs do, that is, struggle to adjust to the NFL and show bursts here and there while being plagued with inconsistency, then the expectations are the same.
If you expected a Randy Moss or even Michael Clayton-like rookie season, then yeah, I'd say you need to adjust your expectations.
If you expected they would perform like 98% of all rookie WRs do, that is, struggle to adjust to the NFL and show bursts here and there while being plagued with inconsistency, then the expectations are the same.
If you expected a Randy Moss or even Michael Clayton-like rookie season, then yeah, I'd say you need to adjust your expectations.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I wouldn't expect them to look much better after 2 weeks or 3 or 4 or 5. Give them, say, 32 weeks of games (i.e. 2 seasons) and we'll talk.madd futher
Footballguy
Both players should be on a roster in a 12 team league, but in many 12 teamers at least 1 is still overlooked and available. I would think that many 10 teamers have at least one of the Joneses available. Productivity is simply a matter of opportunity and gaining experience especially in learning to make adjustments in routes according to situational reads. Both have the talent to flourish this year and beyond. They both are ideal WR#4-5 to be used situationally and as bye week fillers.
I picked up James this week in one league and assuming Jennings is out, I am playing him in my flex over Curry, Edwards, Marshall and J Lewis. With GB matched against NYG, I project about 8 -10 targets which should yield decent catches, yards and a touchdown this week. James productivity will be extremely eratic week-to-week, depending on the Jennings situation, and the game match-up.
Since Jacoby IS the clearcut #2, I expect more consistency in his week-to-week stats, and increasingly better numbers as the season progresses and his route running earns him more targets from Schaub. His week-to-week production will also be highly linked to Houston's match-ups, since Schaub is a starting 1st year QB.
I picked up James this week in one league and assuming Jennings is out, I am playing him in my flex over Curry, Edwards, Marshall and J Lewis. With GB matched against NYG, I project about 8 -10 targets which should yield decent catches, yards and a touchdown this week. James productivity will be extremely eratic week-to-week, depending on the Jennings situation, and the game match-up.
Since Jacoby IS the clearcut #2, I expect more consistency in his week-to-week stats, and increasingly better numbers as the season progresses and his route running earns him more targets from Schaub. His week-to-week production will also be highly linked to Houston's match-ups, since Schaub is a starting 1st year QB.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
You are out of your mind.
geoff8695
Footballguy
madd futher
Footballguy
Curry has a terrible match-up this week against Bailey. Edwards stats are not reliable until Cleve's QB situation gets fixed. Ditto for J. Lewis. I like Marshall, but I'm in a PPR league, and this week J Jones gets more targets from Favre than Marshall gets from Cutler. Watch and learn, Colin.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I disgree with everything bolded above.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Is this fact or speculation?
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
They had the same number last week, so clearly MF is expecting something special.
madd futher
Footballguy
Without Jennings, and with Favre vs NYG, i think that 5-75- and 1 is a realistic stat line frmom James Jones. Am I SURE it will happen? No. But I can't think that ANY of the other guys are any surer bets or I would play them instead. This is exactly what iI would call a 'situational' start.
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
meanwhile....back on topic
I sense that the OP like many others was "Colstonized" - ie looking for James or Jacoby to emerge as WR2 on their teams and have a valuable first season. Sorry, as RenegadeGM pointed out, that is NOT the norm and the Jones boys were drafted way too high this year in redraft league. Not to say they aren't good receivers, but they just don't rate to be Big fantasy contributors this year and certainly not at the beginning of the year if at all.
I sense that the OP like many others was "Colstonized" - ie looking for James or Jacoby to emerge as WR2 on their teams and have a valuable first season. Sorry, as RenegadeGM pointed out, that is NOT the norm and the Jones boys were drafted way too high this year in redraft league. Not to say they aren't good receivers, but they just don't rate to be Big fantasy contributors this year and certainly not at the beginning of the year if at all.
buck naked
Footballguy
All of this is true. I'm hoping for a good 2nd half of the season from both players once they adjust to the game. They both should have the opportunity to produce as either the 2nd or 3rd WR's.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
No no - I am only asking because I am considering adding him to my team via trade - as one of the "throwins". The guy I am looking to deal with has Craig Davis and JAcoby and James Jones.
None of them will play this season - its a dynasty league and these guys would be my 5th WR.
I am requesting Craig Davis, as I think his cieling is much higher than the 3rd round picks.
I just wanted to see what people thought about the 2 other guys before I made my decision.
None of them will play this season - its a dynasty league and these guys would be my 5th WR.
I am requesting Craig Davis, as I think his cieling is much higher than the 3rd round picks.
I just wanted to see what people thought about the 2 other guys before I made my decision.
GregR_2
Footballguy
Jacoby is not the clearcut number 2. Unless there's been something from the team I've missed, Walter is still the #2 according to the coaches, though I think the reality is Walter is 2a and Jacoby is 2b. There were some plays I believe were only 2 WR sets that had Jacoby in there instead of Walter. But, most of the 2 WR sets went to Walter.My expectation on Jacoby is that he will take the #2 before the season is over, and he's likely to be an ok bye week filler by the latter part of the bye weeks, with potential to reach WR3 level this year but I'm not counting on it having to happen for my team to do well.
packersfan
Footballguy
I don't think starting Jones over Curry is a bad call at all. I'm a huge Curry fan but facing the Broncos is where WRs go to die typically. I also think starting him over Jamal Lewis isn't a bad gamble either. Lewis just looks washed up to me. Marshall is a coin flip. I like Cutler but it's a more difficult matchup than what the Packers face. I wouldn't start Jones over Edwards even though Braylon is coming off a so-so game.So I'm not sure the original poster's decision is all that radical. Out of five choices, there's really only one (Edwards) that I would argue against.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Interesting discussion. Braylon is my WR3, and I just don't know how good I feel about him vs. the Bengal secondary. Though CLE will be down and have to throw 40 times, just don't know what kind of production I'll get out of him.
Picked up McDonald for a potential situational start vs. the Vikings this week. Kitna is guaranteed to throw 40+ times. I see another 7-8 targets and possibly good things from McDonald.
That leaves James Jones. With all of the Jennings talk I had put him in the back of my mind this week. Now with him likely out, you are looking at the WR2 with Favre at QB against a secondary that absolutely got shredded last week. Do you think GB is game planning to run the ball right now? He'll get targets - question is how many times they'll connect. This is potentially a great situational start for Jones. Matchups matter.
Picked up McDonald for a potential situational start vs. the Vikings this week. Kitna is guaranteed to throw 40+ times. I see another 7-8 targets and possibly good things from McDonald.
That leaves James Jones. With all of the Jennings talk I had put him in the back of my mind this week. Now with him likely out, you are looking at the WR2 with Favre at QB against a secondary that absolutely got shredded last week. Do you think GB is game planning to run the ball right now? He'll get targets - question is how many times they'll connect. This is potentially a great situational start for Jones. Matchups matter.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, I mostly agree with this. Preseason hype can be a little dangerous. Both of these guys have decent long-term prospects, but people got a little too carried away with the early returns.
PantherPower
Footballguy
I think James Jones is the real deal, and will be starting in a lot of leagues by midseason. I like Jacoby Jones' upside too, but think he'll need more time to make a regular impact. Just my opinion of course. 
flooredyas
Footballguy
This is one week where I start James over Curry. Matchups have been discussed here. Bruce, Scaife and Owen Daniels join the bench for my WR/TE flex in one league.
Given he is a rookie and YES I do understand the risk, the matchup PLUS opportunity have me deciding this is the way to go.
Given he is a rookie and YES I do understand the risk, the matchup PLUS opportunity have me deciding this is the way to go.
madd futher
Footballguy
Ssince you clarified your question, mr racowski, I think all 3 are pretty close in talent, and all (any) would make a good WR5 for this year. As to production THIS YEAR I would rate them in order Jac Jones, James Jones, and lastly Davis. As to Dynasty potential, it would be purely a speculative guess on anyone's part to guess as to which one(s) actually will fulfill potential to be fantasy WR studs. Too many factors, too many unknowns. My speculative guess is either one of the Joneses, but yours is just as good as mine.
I would not feel comfortable having any of the 3 as my WR3 this year. My point in posting that I'm starting J.Jones this week is that they have enough talent that there are times based on matchups when it will make sense to start them as a WR5 (in my case WR6) ahead of your WR3 or 4. I believe this week is one of those times.
I would not feel comfortable having any of the 3 as my WR3 this year. My point in posting that I'm starting J.Jones this week is that they have enough talent that there are times based on matchups when it will make sense to start them as a WR5 (in my case WR6) ahead of your WR3 or 4. I believe this week is one of those times.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Agree. I just picked up James Jones but am not playing him yet.And Drew Brees didn't look very special at all week 1, but I think I am going to hang onto him anyway.I think James Jones is the real deal, and will be starting in a lot of leagues by midseason. I like Jacoby Jones' upside too, but think he'll need more time to make a regular impact. Just my opinion of course.
GSWarriors
Footballguy
u sure you wanna hang onto Drew Brees? I'm sure you got Peyton Manning waiting on the wings.Agree. I just picked up James Jones but am not playing him yet.And Drew Brees didn't look very special at all week 1, but I think I am going to hang onto him anyway.I think James Jones is the real deal, and will be starting in a lot of leagues by midseason. I like Jacoby Jones' upside too, but think he'll need more time to make a regular impact. Just my opinion of course.
duaneok66
Footballguy
excellent post . . .
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I was a Colston and Cotchery owner last year, and picked up both of them after week one. It was based on on-field production (one game), as well as preseason AND some surprising comments from Brees in Colston's case. There was much more reason for optimism in that case than with the Jones boys, but it was still a hail mary that I got lucky on. I actually dropped James Jones for Arnaz Battle this week. That may be a mistake, but I look at it as taking the "potential Cotchery" over the "potential Colston", since there's a MUCH greater chance that Arnaz makes an impact due to the rookie WR factor. JMO. I could be wrong, but I think I was falling for the Colstonisation...
Polyethylene Bag
Footballguy
Lots of players didn't look very special Week 1. I still think Jacoby will have a nice season.
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WildEyedOne
Footballguy
James Jones intrigues me as a potentially high upside player but could bust as well. With as often as GB will throw the ball , SOMEONE has to catch them besides Driver. Situationally, with Jennings out, I'd play him over Marshall, Horn, and Stallworth who I have on my bench. In fact, I'm ready to drop Horn for him in one of my leagues.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Lewis - 200+ and a TDEdwards - 130+ and 2 TDs
Let me know how this works out for you.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
lolLewis - 200+ and a TDEdwards - 130+ and 2 TDs
Let me know how this works out for you.
madd futher
Footballguy
My projected stat line for J Jones was very close. If I could have projected 320 yds and 5 TDs from Anderson, it just MIGHT have affected my thinking on J. Lewis and Edwards. Tell me the next time you have an insight that Cleve will score 51 points.
PS. I'll take the 11.5 FPs from James for my flex position.
PS. I'll take the 11.5 FPs from James for my flex position.
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I predicted that the guys you were benching in favor of Jones would outscore him and they did, by a wide margin, so far.madd futher said:
