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The problem in Indy is that Dungy was brought in to fix the defense and leave the offense alone. Manning is basically the coach on offense, which I don't think is a problem in itself, but he is so confident in his abilities that he gets caught in the emotion rather than thinking logically. If someone else were calling plays, they would have ran more than three times in the 2nd half and would have been able to keep the Steelers defense off balance.
I get tired of this. He had a D several times. They had a D in 84, but he threw two picks and only one TD. They had an adequate D in 85, but he tanked against NE barely completing 40% of his passes and again throwing 2 picks. They had the #4 rated D in 90, but he struggled against Buffalo, completing less than 50% of his passes and again throwing two picks. Near the end of career in 98, they had the #1 D in all of football- again 2 picks in a 38-3 butwhooping to Denver.In fact, save for his playoff loss to Saqn Diego, he threw at least two picks (and I am unsure how many fumbles) in every playoff loss in his career. Turnovers lose games.
Marino = 8-10 with 32 TDs v. 24 INYsManning = 3-6 with 15 TDs v. 8 INTs
You gotta exclude year 16 Marino from comparisons with Manning. You just gotta.That said, there is a remarkable similarity in ALL of Dan Marino's playoff losses after his first year. A dramatic spike in his attempts in the game. Why do I mention this? Because it is direct (and fairly convincing) evidence in support of my statement above that a runner like Edge, not a D like the Colts', was what was missing.
You don't get to selectively quote me and then piss and moan about it. I said this D AND A RB LIKE JAMES. I can't make you stop doing this, but I can continue to point out that you're making yourself look bad every time you try it.
It should also be noted that Marino had a Hall of Fame coach, Don Shula. Manning had Jim Mora (0-2) and now Tony Dungy (3-4). Either Don Shula is to blame or Dan Marino is to blame, but both of them cannot be completely excused for the lack of success for the Dolphins during Marino's reign. I excuse Shula for his proven track record, that leaves Marino to carry the blame (in my opinion).
You do a great job making yourself look bad on your own. I pointed out that several times he had a D this good. So your point should have been "If he had a back like Edge..." but it wasn't. You started with the Defense, and he had one several times. Here is Marino's playoff bottom line- when he didn't get picked twice in a game, they usually won.You don't get to selectively quote me and then piss and moan about it. I said this D AND A RB LIKE JAMES. I can't make you stop doing this, but I can continue to point out that you're making yourself look bad every time you try it.
Shula did manage to lose two Super Bowls without Marino, including the biggest upset of all time. And the Super Bowl XVII loss was a very winnable game.To me, Marino never choked in the playoffs. I can think of only two playoff games in his career where his team was expected to win but did not. In the 1983 divisional round game, Marino led the Dolphins to a 4th quarter lead against the Seahawks, but the defense couldn't hold it and Miami fumbled two consecutive kickoff returns that denied Marino a chance to bring his team back. He might not have played his best game that day but he put his team in position to win, and it was his rookie season after all.
A more accurate look:Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
It's really pathetic that you evidently do not understand the logical operation of the operator "AND". It may not have benefitted Marino to have Edge in a season when he DID NOT have the defense (and you have to admit those seasons also happened), but it sure as hell would have benefitted him to have a back like Edge during one of those seasons you're talking about. Is this really that hard for you to understand?You do a great job making yourself look bad on your own. I pointed out that several times he had a D this good. So your point should have been "If he had a back like Edge..." but it wasn't. You started with the Defense, and he had one several times. Here is Marino's playoff bottom line- when he didn't get picked twice in a game, they usually won.You don't get to selectively quote me and then piss and moan about it. I said this D AND A RB LIKE JAMES. I can't make you stop doing this, but I can continue to point out that you're making yourself look bad every time you try it.
