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What is so great about Green?

I've seen him compared to Randy Moss, but he doesn't have anywhere near Randy's speed.

I've seen him compared to Larry Fitzgerald, but he doesn't have anywhere near Larry's strength.

Green is tall, productive, and athletic. He catches the ball really well and can go up and sky for the tough grab over a defender.

On the other hand, he's tall and skinny without great speed or lateral quickness.

I can see why he would be considered a first round talent, but why exactly is he worth a top 5 NFL draft pick?

(I'm not saying he isn't, btw. I'm just curious.)

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His ball skills..able to control and come down with a ball are 2nd to none in this class. Everyone naturally compares one player to another for good or bad. He has the skills to be as good as any ..Moss I put in a pure physical skill class by himself. He is unique in his prime.

Green can and will easily bulk up a bit. His long speed isn't a problem or hinderance. His situation however will be miserable for the next few years with a rook QB and Marvin Lewis getting beaten on within his Division. I feel bad for Green, not for those who already own him though :hey:

 
His lack of gamebreaking speed is the biggest concern but comparing him to arguably the most talented WR in the history of the game is a bit unfair.

 
I've always liked Julio better and this draft just made me want Julio more. Green seems more of a Burress/Sidney Rice type. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what I see. Julio is Terrell Owens 2.0 with a great attitude.

 
'shader said:
I've always liked Julio better and this draft just made me want Julio more. Green seems more of a Burress/Sidney Rice type. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what I see. Julio is Terrell Owens 2.0 with a great attitude.
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The healthy Sidney Rice that was one of the best players in the NFL, especially in the playoffs. Not sure where Burress fits in, as he is clearly closer to Julio than Green. And nice to know that Jones is going to be a top 10 WR in NFL history.
 
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I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from.

As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills.

What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).

 
'EBF said:
I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from. As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills. What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).
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If the cbs are faster and stronger than him, what are (were)they compared to Jerry Rice?
 
'Concept Coop said:
'EBF said:
I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from. As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills. What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).
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If the cbs are faster and stronger than him, what are (were)they compared to Jerry Rice?
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The same thing they were compared to Rashaun Woods.
 
'EBF said:
'Concept Coop said:
'EBF said:
I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from. As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills. What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).
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If the cbs are faster and stronger than him, what are (were)they compared to Jerry Rice?
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The same thing they were compared to Rashaun Woods.
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He is a glider who is plenty fast. He has great hands, great body control, runs great routes and, most importantly, he dominates like very few players have the ability to. Most cbs are not going to be stronger than him either.
 
Greg Cosell from NFL films has watched tape on players for 30+ years has tweeted the following about his analysis on Green:

Apr24

Based on film and NFL attributes, my top 5: 1) Green; 2) Peterson; 3) Miller; 4) Dareus; 5) Fairley. Smith right there, best press man CB.

Apr24

Green special. Big time NFL receiver w/natural quickness in-and-out of breaks. No wasted steps as route runner. Vertically explosive.

Apr25

Green far more explosive than Fitzgerald as vertical threat. Jones more like Fitz re: size + movement. Possession WRs who can get deep.

Apr25

Based purely on college film + then projecting skill sets + attributes to the NFL, Green has highest grade, followed by Bryant, then Jones.

 
'Concept Coop said:
He is a glider who is plenty fast. He has great hands, great body control, runs great routes and, most importantly, he dominates like very few players have the ability to. Most cbs are not going to be stronger than him either.
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He's not very big. This is where the Fitzgerald comparison breaks apart for me. 211 pounds stretched over a 6'3.5" frame is not heavy. Fitz is listed at 6'2.7" 225 pounds on draft scout. That gives him one of the highest BMI numbers of any WR in the league. Green is on the other end of the spectrum at just 26.0. His bench press figure is pretty respectable, but virtually every CB in the league is bigger than him in terms of pounds per inch of height. So I don't know if I buy the idea that he'll be able to beat NFL defenders with strength. In terms of production, he wasn't a spectacular college player. He never topped 1000 yards in a season for Georgia. Granted, he almost certainly would've eclipsed that mark last season if he hadn't been suspended, but even so his NCAA career doesn't compare favorably to those of recent top receivers like Bryant, Crabtree, and Fitzgerald. I think the best comparison for Green is Sidney Rice. Rice is a similar player who also thrived in the SEC. Like Green, he lacks blazing speed or overwhelming bulk, but still manages to excel because he's a rangy target with great ball skills. The thing is...no one talked about Rice as a slam dunk top 5 pick or "best player in the draft" when he was coming out. It just seems strange to me that the notion of Green as a surefire top 5 value is so unanimous. In the end, I think he'll probably be a solid NFL player. What I don't understand is the comparisons to all-time greats.
 
'EBF said:
I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from. As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills. What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).
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I agree.I've got some concerns about his ability to beat the jam in the NFL. Sure, he has quick hands and beat the press sufficiently at the college level, but we're talking a different level of press coverage. I don't think Green has the strength to handle it. I certainly think he'll be productive, but I don't think we're looking at Fitz, Calvin, Moss, etc. Granted, I'm no where close to a scout!
 
'Concept Coop said:
'shader said:
I've always liked Julio better and this draft just made me want Julio more. Green seems more of a Burress/Sidney Rice type. Nothing wrong with that, but that's what I see. Julio is Terrell Owens 2.0 with a great attitude.
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The healthy Sidney Rice that was one of the best players in the NFL, especially in the playoffs. Not sure where Burress fits in, as he is clearly closer to Julio than Green. And nice to know that Jones is going to be a top 10 WR in NFL history.
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I see the Rice thing too, but I think he will be better. Julio reminds me of Dwayne Bowe. The one we saw last year, not the extremely drop prone one.
 
'Faust said:
Greg Cosell from NFL films has watched tape on players for 30+ years has tweeted the following about his analysis on Green:Apr24Based on film and NFL attributes, my top 5: 1) Green; 2) Peterson; 3) Miller; 4) Dareus; 5) Fairley. Smith right there, best press man CB.Apr24Green special. Big time NFL receiver w/natural quickness in-and-out of breaks. No wasted steps as route runner. Vertically explosive.Apr25Green far more explosive than Fitzgerald as vertical threat. Jones more like Fitz re: size + movement. Possession WRs who can get deep.Apr25Based purely on college film + then projecting skill sets + attributes to the NFL, Green has highest grade, followed by Bryant, then Jones.
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:goodposting: I've not followed Cossel one bit but this is spot on IMO. The only thing I would change is I would rate Darius ahead of Miller in the top 4.
 
'EBF said:
'Concept Coop said:
He is a glider who is plenty fast. He has great hands, great body control, runs great routes and, most importantly, he dominates like very few players have the ability to. Most cbs are not going to be stronger than him either.
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He's not very big. This is where the Fitzgerald comparison breaks apart for me. 211 pounds stretched over a 6'3.5" frame is not heavy. Fitz is listed at 6'2.7" 225 pounds on draft scout. That gives him one of the highest BMI numbers of any WR in the league. Green is on the other end of the spectrum at just 26.0. His bench press figure is pretty respectable, but virtually every CB in the league is bigger than him in terms of pounds per inch of height. So I don't know if I buy the idea that he'll be able to beat NFL defenders with strength. In terms of production, he wasn't a spectacular college player. He never topped 1000 yards in a season for Georgia. Granted, he almost certainly would've eclipsed that mark last season if he hadn't been suspended, but even so his NCAA career doesn't compare favorably to those of recent top receivers like Bryant, Crabtree, and Fitzgerald. I think the best comparison for Green is Sidney Rice. Rice is a similar player who also thrived in the SEC. Like Green, he lacks blazing speed or overwhelming bulk, but still manages to excel because he's a rangy target with great ball skills. The thing is...no one talked about Rice as a slam dunk top 5 pick or "best player in the draft" when he was coming out. It just seems strange to me that the notion of Green as a surefire top 5 value is so unanimous. In the end, I think he'll probably be a solid NFL player. What I don't understand is the comparisons to all-time greats.
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Sidney Rice had a stretch where he looked like Larry. Then he got hurt. Had he kept that up and stayed healthy, he would have been worth a top 5 pick. TO wasn't talked about as a slam dunk top 5 pick, but in hindsight he should have been. Who is to say that couldn't have happened to Rice?Look at his numbers per target or watch a couple games. He was dominant. If he played for TTech, you wouldn't be questioning his production.
 
'Concept Coop said:
'EBF said:
'Concept Coop said:
He is a glider who is plenty fast. He has great hands, great body control, runs great routes and, most importantly, he dominates like very few players have the ability to. Most cbs are not going to be stronger than him either.
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He's not very big. This is where the Fitzgerald comparison breaks apart for me. 211 pounds stretched over a 6'3.5" frame is not heavy. Fitz is listed at 6'2.7" 225 pounds on draft scout. That gives him one of the highest BMI numbers of any WR in the league. Green is on the other end of the spectrum at just 26.0. His bench press figure is pretty respectable, but virtually every CB in the league is bigger than him in terms of pounds per inch of height. So I don't know if I buy the idea that he'll be able to beat NFL defenders with strength. In terms of production, he wasn't a spectacular college player. He never topped 1000 yards in a season for Georgia. Granted, he almost certainly would've eclipsed that mark last season if he hadn't been suspended, but even so his NCAA career doesn't compare favorably to those of recent top receivers like Bryant, Crabtree, and Fitzgerald. I think the best comparison for Green is Sidney Rice. Rice is a similar player who also thrived in the SEC. Like Green, he lacks blazing speed or overwhelming bulk, but still manages to excel because he's a rangy target with great ball skills. The thing is...no one talked about Rice as a slam dunk top 5 pick or "best player in the draft" when he was coming out. It just seems strange to me that the notion of Green as a surefire top 5 value is so unanimous. In the end, I think he'll probably be a solid NFL player. What I don't understand is the comparisons to all-time greats.
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Sidney Rice had a stretch where he looked like Larry. Then he got hurt. Had he kept that up and stayed healthy, he would have been worth a top 5 pick. TO wasn't talked about as a slam dunk top 5 pick, but in hindsight he should have been. Who is to say that couldn't have happened to Rice?Look at his numbers per target or watch a couple games. He was dominant. If he played for TTech, you wouldn't be questioning his production.
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You keep mentioning his lack of size. Look at what Fitz and TO did in bulking up and many others. Why can't Green? He's not exactly small now. The situation will hurt him playing for that crap franchise more then any weakness on him individually.
 
'Invictus~Bronte said:
'Concept Coop said:
'EBF said:
'Concept Coop said:
He is a glider who is plenty fast. He has great hands, great body control, runs great routes and, most importantly, he dominates like very few players have the ability to. Most cbs are not going to be stronger than him either.
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He's not very big. This is where the Fitzgerald comparison breaks apart for me. 211 pounds stretched over a 6'3.5" frame is not heavy. Fitz is listed at 6'2.7" 225 pounds on draft scout. That gives him one of the highest BMI numbers of any WR in the league. Green is on the other end of the spectrum at just 26.0. His bench press figure is pretty respectable, but virtually every CB in the league is bigger than him in terms of pounds per inch of height. So I don't know if I buy the idea that he'll be able to beat NFL defenders with strength. In terms of production, he wasn't a spectacular college player. He never topped 1000 yards in a season for Georgia. Granted, he almost certainly would've eclipsed that mark last season if he hadn't been suspended, but even so his NCAA career doesn't compare favorably to those of recent top receivers like Bryant, Crabtree, and Fitzgerald. I think the best comparison for Green is Sidney Rice. Rice is a similar player who also thrived in the SEC. Like Green, he lacks blazing speed or overwhelming bulk, but still manages to excel because he's a rangy target with great ball skills. The thing is...no one talked about Rice as a slam dunk top 5 pick or "best player in the draft" when he was coming out. It just seems strange to me that the notion of Green as a surefire top 5 value is so unanimous. In the end, I think he'll probably be a solid NFL player. What I don't understand is the comparisons to all-time greats.
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Sidney Rice had a stretch where he looked like Larry. Then he got hurt. Had he kept that up and stayed healthy, he would have been worth a top 5 pick. TO wasn't talked about as a slam dunk top 5 pick, but in hindsight he should have been. Who is to say that couldn't have happened to Rice?Look at his numbers per target or watch a couple games. He was dominant. If he played for TTech, you wouldn't be questioning his production.
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You keep mentioning his lack of size. Look at what Fitz and TO did in bulking up and many others. Why can't Green? He's not exactly small now. The situation will hurt him playing for that crap franchise more then any weakness on him individually.
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Having gone to lots of Georgia games, all I can say is that when he was in the game it seemed like anything was possible, and he never seemed to let us down. It seemed like he always kept his cool and was great in clutch situations. He was a playmaker in college, but you never no how that will translate to the NFL.
 
'EBF said:
I just don't see where the "best player in the draft" or "Larry Fitzgerald/Randy Moss" talk is coming from.

As far as I can tell, the best thing about Green is that he's a springy athlete with sick coordination/receiving skills.

What I don't see is an overwhelming set of raw physical tools. NFL corners will be faster and perhaps even stronger than him (albeit shorter).
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Charlie Casserly says so. I tend to listen to him.
 
"""""In terms of production, he wasn't a spectacular college player. He never topped 1000 yards in a season for Georgia. Granted, he almost certainly would've eclipsed that mark last season if he hadn't been suspended, but even so his NCAA career doesn't compare favorably to those of recent top receivers like Bryant, Crabtree, and Fitzgerald. """"""""



Bryant and Crabtree vs Big12, Fitz vs BigEast defenses



Big difference of them to SEC defenses as far as opposing WR numbers on a per game basis



as far as what i see in Green, he passes the eye test with an A



just get 2 or 3 game films against those top SEC defenses and watch is only advice i can give



there isn't any one HOF drop-dead A+++ skill, but there isn't any skill he is less than very good at ... not any skill



in his columns under weaknesses it will say either NONE or GOT SUSPENDED BY NCAA that's it



press coverage will not be an issue or at least it never has been so far





 
'EBF said:
What is so great about Green? I've seen him compared to Randy Moss, but he doesn't have anywhere near Randy's speed.I've seen him compared to Larry Fitzgerald, but he doesn't have anywhere near Larry's strength. Green is tall, productive, and athletic. He catches the ball really well and can go up and sky for the tough grab over a defender. On the other hand, he's tall and skinny without great speed or lateral quickness. I can see why he would be considered a first round talent, but why exactly is he worth a top 5 NFL draft pick? (I'm not saying he isn't, btw. I'm just curious.) :popcorn:I think you add in who drafted him and I can pass on him all day long in rookie dynasty leagues. Cinci is in a tailspin and they retained the HC to see things thu...I hate all pieces of Cinci right now. Someone should have shown them game tape of ther 2009 season and how they were transferring into a Bal/Pitt type team with tough nosed players and defense...then they got away from it and now the answers to their prayers are a WR at #4...that always works well.
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