After hearing about the severity of AJ Green's shoulder injury, thought I'd make a thread where we can update his status (How he looks in practice) and how we should slot him for Championship Saturday. Right now I'm starting Santana Moss and Santonio Holmes over him, but if I hear improvement he'll be back in my lineup.
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AJ Green's shoulder (1 Viewer)
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Art Vandalay
Footballguy
Do Not start Santana Moss over Aj Green. I am a Bengals Homer and AJ will be out there and good to go in a must win 2 and Jets lose 1 for the playoff scerario. Moss only got a TD on a gadget play one week.
footballnerd
Footballguy
I read initially it was thought to be a Grade 3 sprain but then was downgraded to a separation. Seems like he can raise it level to his shoulder yesterday, but wonder if he can fully extend, looks like all signs are he will play this week
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footballnerd
Footballguy
It's still the Cards Def tho, he could make the same production with basket grabs.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
Amazing to see how divergent the fbgs are on AJ. Bramel to dodds is night and day.
footballnerd
Footballguy
thats a good point, but I'm assuming if he handles top WRs, then he was on Greg Little last week who did "Little" all year until then, or when Boldin busted out for 145.
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
After reading Bramel's 2nd opinion, I feel much more confident going against AJ than I did yesterday. There's always the possibility that AJ toughs it out or the Bengals are exaggerating his injury or both. If I owned him, though, I'd have a tough time giving him the start.
footballnerd
Footballguy
I think Bramels evaluation was when it was thought the injury was a grade 3 sprain, and the evaluation after found it was a should separation which is less severe.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
ahh, I see. Thanks.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
Shoulder separation is another term for an AC joint sprain. The two are synonomous.Something doesn't add up here. While Green has recovered sooner than I expected already once this season (from a knee injury that I felt could well have been more severe) and has tried to play through multiple injuries, it will be extremely unusual for Green to recover effectively in 5-6 days from an injury that generally needs 10-14 days for the swelling to resolve enough to allow free range of motion without pain and 4-6 weeks for near full recovery.On the other hand, I'm still bugged with the extraordinarily quick and specific information given by the Bengals about this particular injury. Their long history has been to do the exact opposite -- obfuscate and delay and minimize with non-specific comments, especially with more severe injuries.It's possible that Green has and will play effectively through a Grade 3 AC sprain suffered six days ago. But I think it's much more likely that (a) his injury was not that severe should he play well or (b) we'll find that Green is playing with one arm tomorrow and misses a great many snaps while not able to do many of the things that made him an elite fantasy option this season.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Thanks for the clarification. I'm interested to see what he does tomorrow.
footballnerd
Footballguy
'Jene Bramel said:
thanks for the clarification
footballnerd
Footballguy
looks like he went through a full practice today and is listed as probable. Lets see what reports are on how he looked.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
After his injury, he was targeted 5 times.
Pass interference on St. Louis against Green.
Catch for 7 yards.
Illegal use of hands on St. Louis against Green.
Catch for 14 yards.
Incompletion.
Pass interference on St. Louis against Green.
Catch for 7 yards.
Illegal use of hands on St. Louis against Green.
Catch for 14 yards.
Incompletion.
Chief
Footballguy
I wish we had more posts like this in the Shark Pool. Cold hards facts upon which decisions can be made. Most of his yards last week came prior to the injury. But they continued targeting him. I am curious as to the total targets after he returned...
Das Boot
Footballguy
I really want to start Green but the risk of him missing a chunk of the game is scary - and you know the defenders will be pounding on that shoulder.
Plus I question how effective he will be anyway if he has a limited range of motion.
With his talent and potential it's truly a tough call unless you are blessed with a great 2nd option.
Plus I question how effective he will be anyway if he has a limited range of motion.
With his talent and potential it's truly a tough call unless you are blessed with a great 2nd option.
FBGs don't seem to think its an issue. Would you start Dez Bryant over AJ Green?
AngryPatriot
Footballguy
Weird. This is a case where some pre-game info could be revealing... keep the posts coming!
WildEyedOne
Footballguy
I also have the AJ Green or Santana Moss option sitting as a final lineup decision. Might opt for a safer Moss based on the conflicting info. Wish this was clearer cut picture.
That is a tough one. I have Moss starting in one league (don't have AJ) and AJ in another. Just to let you know, I am starting AJ over Nate Washington and Stevie Johnson. I think AJ has a better matchup and if he is playing, I have to go with him. He has just been more consistent. The other two could blowup any week, but AJ has been consistently solid and all it takes for him is one long play where Dalton actually puts the ball in his hands. Even against St. Louis, on the play he got hurt, he was open and if it weren't for the tangled feet, it probably was another 30+ yarder or a long TD (no idea where the saftey was).If I were to rank them, I would go AJ > Moss > Washington > Johnson, but actual results could be based on a single long play for any of them. The only one I feel pretty safe about is Stevie. He hurt his groin earlier in the year and seemed ineffective for a few weeks, so I could see him having the worst week.
footballnerd
Footballguy
I've been looking all over for warm up reports, nothing so far. Only thing I got was Stephanie Bell saying he was able to catch on Wed, not sure what types of throws though.
Yea that's the concern with mr green, the types of plays he makes require full use of his shoulder. Never would I have dreamed a month ago that I would be picking between nicks and green and not feel good about either!!!
Das Boot
Footballguy
No info here - just thoughts.FBGs projections play the odds - if a player is able to play, they will end up at least somewhat close to their normal projections.Over the years, I've learned to trust this point of view and I place a fair amount of faith in FBG predictions.But ultimately everyone has to make their own decision based on gut feel, your roster options, the FF team you are playing, etc...I was pretty worried with what I saw last week on TV from Green after his injury, and I think one slam to the turf could easily put him right back in that boat this week. He really gutted it out last week, but you saw the stats above after the injury.This one is a really tough call.My gut tells me that Green likely doesn't make it through the full game - so the question is, does a half game of Green stats beat a full game of your other WR?I'm still deciding.
I think this point of view is sound. Matter a fact if I played percentages I'd say he is as likely to not finish game as he is to have a huge game.
Das Boot
Footballguy
I agree 100% - go with what will bug you less if it doesn't work out.For me, I just think his injury will limit him at best, and force him out of the game at worst.
So I'm benching Green for my SB.
Good luck to all today with your decisions.
footballnerd
Footballguy
too late for me, guess I'm rolling with Green 
Das Boot
Footballguy
He looked good on that catch a few minutes ago - got both arms up high and hauled it in.He also could have had a quick slant TD earlier.Based on what I've seen so far, I wish I had rolled with him too.too late for me, guess I'm rolling with Green
Das Boot
Footballguy
Weird - he hasn't seemed to be favoring the shoulder to any great extent, but not many targets and no big plays.
He made a nice run on an end around (stupid call IMO to risk him on that play - nice gain though).
Geez - another end around just now.
I still like his odds to have a nice catch or two downfield.
He made a nice run on an end around (stupid call IMO to risk him on that play - nice gain though).
Geez - another end around just now.
I still like his odds to have a nice catch or two downfield.
