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Doctor Detroit

Doctor Detroit

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Adam Dunn? Gordan Beckham? Carl Crawford? Vernon Wells? Chone Figgins?

Nope.

Gotta be Alex Rios.

-25 Batting

-8.8 fielding

Only qualified AL player with a negative WAR :shock:

Dunn's historically bad season is good for a -2.8 WAR and an incredible -26.7 RAR (runs above replacement). But Rios is also really bad in the field (-10.2 UZR/150 is just behind Derek Jeter's stellar -10.3) and his 55 OPS plus on the road is Spike Owenesque. Now White Sux fans already know all this, but to the degree of awfulness usually set aside for middle infielders of the 1980s, Kenny Williams trotted out Rios for nearly 600 plate appearances this year. :excited:

Back to Dunn. Is his season really that bad? Yeah, it was. 6 for 94 vs lefthanded pitchers and a .309 OPS while he had a .683 OPS vs righthanded pitching. Ok, ok so he was so bad we almost feel sorry for him right? Well listen to this, in the past ten years only one player has had a statistically worse season than Adam Dunn. That man? Our old friend, Neifi Perez in 2002 when he had a negative 3 WAR. :neifi: :fro: Last twenty years? Add 1999 Christian Guzman and 1993 Dan McCarty (both Twins btw). Last 30 years? Add George Wright's 1985 season with Texas where George brought home a .483 OPS in 400 plate appearances. Yikes. That season however was just .1 WAR worse than Dunn's 2011 season (btw the highest WAR in any one season over the past 30 is Ripkin's 1991 campaign).

Anyway, Rios is less valuable because he plays a critical position badly (CF), he had terrible clutch stats (-3.83 WPA, -1 clutch) and he often hit in the middle of the White Sux order. Rios didn't belong on the 2011 White Sux, he belonged on the 2003 Tigers.

I thought I'd put some content in this forum to celebrate the coming of the playoffs. Please list and talk about some bad seasons past or present, I think looking back at these will remind us of some forgettable seasons we probably shouldn't forget.

ETA: sp

 
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'Doctor Detroit said:
Adam Dunn? Gordan Beckham? Carl Crawford? Vernon Wells? Chone Figgins?

Nope.

Gotta be Alex Rios.

-25 Batting

-8.8 fielding

Only qualified AL player with a negative WAR :shock:

Dunn's historically bad season is good for a -2.8 WAR and an incredible -26.7 RAR (runs above replacement). But Rios is also really bad in the field (-10.2 UZR/150 is just behind Derek Jeter's stellar -10.3) and his 55 OPS plus on the road is Spike Owenesque. Now White Sux fans already know all this, but to the degree of awfulness usually set aside for middle infielders of the 1980s, Kenny Williams trotted out Rios for nearly 600 plate appearances this year. :excited:
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So that means Jeter will win another Gold Glove though...
 
I know nobody cares about batting average...but Adam Dunn is hitting .161 with 172 strikeouts.

I mean.......my god.

 
I think Dunn deserves special consideration though because, unlike Rios, he was not even around for his fielding. He was a designated hitter whose only responsibility was to hit. It takes a special kind of suckitude to have one of the worst hitting seasons of all-time and not even be good enough to play in the field.

 
That's 3 different White Sux (yes, I did it) and an argument could probably be made for Pierre being in the discussion. Morel's September is the only reason he isn't fair game too.

Kenny Williams probably following Ozzie out the door

 
Vernon Wells was a waste. The 25 home runs are nice but he hit 220 and had a WAR slightly below 0 at -.1

All this for only 26 million! That's 15% of the team budget.

 
'Don Quixote said:
I think Dunn deserves special consideration though because, unlike Rios, he was not even around for his fielding. He was a designated hitter whose only responsibility was to hit. It takes a special kind of suckitude to have one of the worst hitting seasons of all-time and not even be good enough to play in the field.
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Rios wasn't good enough to play in the field either. The only difference is he still did.
 
'Premier said:
I know nobody cares about batting average...but Adam Dunn is hitting .161 with 172 strikeouts. I mean.......my god.
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He only started probably 3 games a week the last couple months he was so bad. He would have soared over 200ks otherwise and probably lost a few more pts off his average. Easily the least valuable player in the AL. Walkoff. :thumbup:
 
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Don Quixote said:
I think Dunn deserves special consideration though because, unlike Rios, he was not even around for his fielding. He was a designated hitter whose only responsibility was to hit. It takes a special kind of suckitude to have one of the worst hitting seasons of all-time and not even be good enough to play in the field.
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Rios wasn't good enough to play in the field either. The only difference is he still did.
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Yeah this was kind of my point. At least Dunn only hurt the WS when he was at the plate, Rios was a :tfp: at the pregame meal.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Time Kibitzer said:
'Don Quixote said:
I think Dunn deserves special consideration though because, unlike Rios, he was not even around for his fielding. He was a designated hitter whose only responsibility was to hit. It takes a special kind of suckitude to have one of the worst hitting seasons of all-time and not even be good enough to play in the field.
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Rios wasn't good enough to play in the field either. The only difference is he still did.
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Yeah this was kind of my point. At least Dunn only hurt the WS when he was at the plate, Rios was a :tfp: at the pregame meal.
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If you've seen Dunn lately, you'll realize that he was too
 
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'Time Kibitzer said:
'Don Quixote said:
I think Dunn deserves special consideration though because, unlike Rios, he was not even around for his fielding. He was a designated hitter whose only responsibility was to hit. It takes a special kind of suckitude to have one of the worst hitting seasons of all-time and not even be good enough to play in the field.
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Rios wasn't good enough to play in the field either. The only difference is he still did.
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Agree, but that difference is my point. Since Rios did play in the field and Dunn did not, then he's still more valuable than Dunn (since the team played Rios in the field because they presumably had nobody who could play Rios's position better, and that nobody includes Dunn). I view being a DH as a cut against a player when talking about MVP or HOF credentials, so I'm just applying that to LVP too. But it's probably just personal preference.
 
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Reid Brignac has to be in this conversation. Sorry Premier. Anyone recognize his girlfriend? (Brignac not Premier)

 
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'Osaurus said:
Reid Brignac has to be in this conversation. Sorry Premier. Anyone recognize his girlfriend? (Brignac not Premier)
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Don't apologize to me, he's the one who sucks. Brignac has been god awful this year, but I don't think he's played enough to have the total impact of Dunn or Rios.
 
Lackey is the Verlander of suckness, deserving both Sty Young & LVP. In 50 yrs as a sports fan, ive never seen someone less enthused about plying their trade. Oil Can Boyd was more engaged in mid-blick. At $18mil a yr, i'm ashamed at my fellow Bostonians for let him walk the streets without fear.

 
Aaron Hill made a solid run for it and had he not been traded, he would have been a top 3 candidate IMO.

.225/.270/.313, -0.7 WAR, .088 ISO

 
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