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Alex Smith Trade (1 Viewer)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
why not? He isnt that good, New England traded Bledsoe to Buffalo. At th end of the day, if someone is willing to pay the price, they will trade em anywhere
NE traded Bledsoe in division to Buffalo and it worked out. I have a feeling if Alex Smith went to Arizona, they wouldn't have an issue. My guess is Arizona. Arians may still draft a QB, but he needs to get a player that's serviceable for 2013.
Sinrman
Footballguy
SF knows that AZ still needs some weapons for Smith to throw to if he were traded there. But I personally think he goes to KC for maybe a 3rd or 4th rounder. Or maybe 4th in 2013 and 4th in 2014. Then KC could get an OT or focus on defense again. Maybe trade back into the 1st to get one of the top WRs?
EBF
Footballguy
I'd say more weapons for the QB to throw to is the last thing Arizona needs. They've got a full deck with Fitzgerald, Roberts, Floyd, and Housler. Player-for-player deals rarely happen in the NFL, but a Roberts for Smith deal would actually make some sense for both parties.
loose circuits
Footballguy
weapons? You mean like Fitz, Floyd, Roberts, and Housler?? Not too many offenses with weapons as good as that. If you meant to say offensive line that can give him time, then I agree...
loose circuits
Footballguy
beat me by a sec, but I agree that Roberts for Smith would make sense...so would Baldwin or Wylie for Smith
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Out of those teams you listed I'd take the Chiefs against the field. It won't be the Jaguars. It's not hard to read between the lines, they are going to go with Gabbert.
Cardinals want a QB who can throw deep.
Jet's don't have cap room for his salary.
Buffalo makes some sense, I just don't think it's them.
I say if it's not KC it's the Browns due to Norv connection but my money is on KC.
Gotta be the Cards or KC. Flip a coin, IMO.I don't see why many other teams aren't making a run for him. He's a former #1 pick who can make all the throws and has plenty of career left. If I was a KC or Cards fan I would love to see them trade for him, considering it was projected to only cost a 4th rounder + big contract.Call him a game manager or whatever you want, but he did everything they asked of him for years. I feel bad for him because he had to learn something like 4 different offenses in his first 6 years in the league. That's brutal. Not that I want to compare Rodgers the player to Smith the player, but it has to help a lot to be in the same system for an entire career. The Packers have the luxury of not making rash decisions. Even with Rodgers' talent the Pack still went 4-12 one year, but the GM let them stick with it and look what happens. I wish fans wouldn't call for a coaches head every time they have a losing season... invariably I think it just takes longer for that team to return to prominence. The Harbaugh/49ers are an extreme example and I think not a good one - that team was LOADED with talent when Harbaugh took it over and he could easily have two Super Bowl wins with Alex Smith right now, if not for a fumbled punt return last year. Smith was capable of getting there this year too.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Agreed. Allows them to take BPA in draft, too...not settling on Geno. KC makes more sense to me than AZ and more sense by a mile with the other teams.
By the way, this report likely isn't true. This sounds like a transparent ploy leaked well ahead of the deadline so that all the teams interested in Smith have to up their ante to out-bid each other. Careful about media reports this time of the year - usually they serve a purpose other than the actual info leaked.
I read earlier today that KC doesn't have 1 quarterback on its board with a first round grade in this draft. I think there's 0 chance they take a qb with the first pick. (I'll try to find the link)
jurb26
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
KC wants Foles. The Eagles say he's not for sale trying to drive up his price. The Chiefs float a rumor that a trade is nearly done for Alex Smith to drive his price back down.
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jurb26
Footballguy
I wasn't insinuating it wasn't true. Just pointing out it was odd for NFL.com to lead it on its website with nothing concrete.
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Good point. I must have misinterpreted your last post.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Fitz is a beast, no doubt. I liked what I saw from Roberts, and is showing improvement. Perhaps a better QB will make him a top #2? Floyd has talent, but it's way too early to tell how he turns out. Housler? Eh, some are high on him, but I'm not convinced yet.The running game just can't stay healthy and needs to step it up to relieve pressure off the QB (whoever it ends up being).Overall, it's not unheard of to trade within your division, but I have my doubts that SF wants to trade him to AZ. Ship him off to the AFC where they will rarely see him again...'loose circuits said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Has to be KC
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@HenryWoffordCSN: Multiple reports tha Alex Smith will be traded to the Kansas City Chiefs. Stay tuned, we'll have the latest on Sportsnet Central and NBC
pghrob
Hail to the Chief
@https://twitter.com/Andrew_Garda/status/305849956638523392 All the assumption that the Chiefs are the mystery team acquiring Smith will look silly when he's replacing Tom Brady.1:21 AM - 25 Feb 13
The Comedian
Footballguy
I doubt it.1) The cap would be a problem, I woudl think. What's Fitzpatrick's cap figure after the deal they just gave him? I'm guessing he would be too expensive to cut?2) Way too competent a move for the Bills to make it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
feels like a lateral move for Buffalo. im not sure he's any better/worse than Fitzp
higgins
Footballguy
Question: has Smith ever run a WCO? Because Doug Pederson is their new OC along with a "traditional" WCO guy in Reid -- if Smith hasn't run a WCO, I would think Flynn would have the higher likelihood of going to KC because he's been in GB's QB school for years.I ask the question again: has Smith been a part of the WCO?
The Comedian
Footballguy
It might be lateral in generic terms as far as overall quality I guess, but I think Gailey got the best out of Fitzpatrick. With him gone now, Fitzpatrick makes less sense. I would definitely take Smith over Fitzpatrick in a vaccuum.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Unless it's just a veteran too push a young qb, I'd hope KC could get a better qb than Smith. I tried to grab Bowe but it never worked out, makes me glad now. Not interested in Cassel part II.
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Bamac
Footballguy
In terms of draft picks, Smith is quite probably cheaper than Foles. SFO has little trade leverage because of everyone's belief that they will cut Smith if they can't trade him. The Eagles can afford to hold onto Foles and his rookie contract, so they'll need more in draft picks.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Both are backups, but Smith obviously has a much longer track record and I would think would be more appealing. But I think the fact that Vick can't stay healthy for an entire season might mean Philly might hang onto him no matter what, or demand more than he's worth (and put him up there with Smith as far as trade value). I have never been a Smith fan, but even I have to admit that he's been fairly solid for 1½ seasons with very little to throw to. Give him a strong running game to take pressure off of him, and you never know... this is why I personally think KC is the perfect landing spot. They have some great weapons already there.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
KC would be a good spot for Smith.
jurb26
Footballguy
I agree as well. They need to add a weapon on the outside if, assuming Bowe is gone. Everything else is pretty solid though. I like the fit.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Surprised it's not a future pick with some sort of escalator clause. He throws for 3500 yards and it goes from a 4th to a 3rd or something like that...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The problem with Smith is that you're getting an average QB (at best) who'll be 29 to start the season. Everyone sees Manning and Brady and etc playing well into their thirties and forgets that the aging curve is very different for average (at best) QBs. The team that signs Smith is possibly (no one knows for sure) getting him just in time to watch his skills erode.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
For most teams yes, but Reid is something of a QB guru. I can see him doing quite well with Reid as his mentor. I'm not ready to put him top 10, but it will allow them to get a starting QB, shore up the O line, and fill in some other holes at the same time. He's not a QB for the next decade, but he will allow them to be competitive while they rebuild the rest of the team. Just about the time they have all the holes filled, he will likely be grooming his replacement who just signed a letter of intent with a college in the last few weeks...
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Given Reid will have him throw 35-40 times a game, does he have any upside? Would have liked Foles or Geno better, but I still think it's a system that will produce stats.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
I dunno. Harbaugh had him averaging 27 throws a game until he got hurt this year. Smith was QB19 after 7 weeks. Can't see Smith suddenly becoming a fantasy factor. I think he probably hurts Bowe as well if Bowe stays. (not necessarily from Bowe's 2012 numbers, but his career averages).
HellToupee
Footballguy
So did the Eagles over play their hand w/Foles or did KC actually like Smith more?
drummer
Footballguy
Smith had the same QB coach Jim Hostler (who is now the WR coach in BAL) his first 3 years in SF, the third year with Hostler as OC. Hostler's offense was a hybrid mish mash of Norv Turner's and Mike McCarthy's offenses. Turner watered down his offense for Smith. The 4th OC was Martz, who used the digtal system as Turner's and based on the Coryell which Turner also had a base of his offense with. Jimmy Raye also used the digital terminology with his offense. So it isn't as radical as people like to think as far as Smith learning whole new offenses. The only radical change was going from McCarthy to Turner, and Turner did wonders for Smith. But that was because they had Frank Gore in his breakout season as well in 2006. Jason Campbell also had a lof ot OC's in his first few years as well for food for thought. The "could easily have two Super Bowl wins" is fishing.'meyerj31 said:
drummer
Footballguy
Smith only has 2 full regular seasons as starter his entire career. Injury and ineffectiveness are the two reasons why. The team with a QB waiting in the wings to be groomed is the best fit with Smith.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It's possible the Eagles were simply telling the truth that they had no intentions of dealing Foles and Smith was the only option in KC
FUBAR
Footballguy
are you saying the Chiefs have better receivers than San Fran did? Assuming Bowe comes back, it's a push at best IMO. Without Bowe it isn't close. Charles is better than Gore, so there is that.
drummer
Footballguy
Yes, his first year with Mike McCarthy as OC in SF. ETA: Harbaugh also runs a bit of WCO in his offense as well.
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higgins
Footballguy
Thanks
