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Alexei Ramirez (1 Viewer)

Stud with eligibility all over the damn place. His WINF score is 2.33. and he's got a .0456 BIPNER rating. I'd say the writing is on the wall.

 
Mr. Pickles said:
Finless said:
Mr. Pickles said:
Finless said:
Stud with eligibility all over the damn place. His WINF score is 2.33. and he's got a .0456 BIPNER rating. I'd say the writing is on the wall.
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You hate him.
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No, I expect big things actually. I could be wrong but I'd say my forecaster is as good as anyone's in the business.
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Give me your 2009 projections, adjusted for shtick.
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I posted them somewhere already in this forum. that was a few weeks ago and my projections are adjusted twice a week in the last month before the season kicks off. There's talk of moving him to the top of the lineup at the number 2 slot which is quite a jump from the 7th..294 105 28 99 29



29/29

 
I guess no one is taking exception here.

Seems to me that every major fantasy baseball analyst (especially that uberannoying Matthew Berry of ESPN) is guzzling the Kool-Aid and knows exactly nothing about this guy.

 
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.

Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.

I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.

 
Your Mother said:
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.
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Tulo :coffee: :confused:
 
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.
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Tulo :coffee: :confused:
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Hurt last year, good value this year.
 
Your Mother said:
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.

Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.

I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.
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Tulo :coffee: :confused:
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Hurt last year, good value this year.
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I'm kind of a feel guy and I'm not feeling Tulo. I can see Drew having a decent season but not Tulo. If Alexei came from Cuba and played this well in his first season I see no reason for him to bust. He needs to take some pitches. Is this not something that can be worked on? He's been here a year, he's under 30 and he's shown some good power. He's got the tools and he's eligible at 2nd, SS, and OF. I like.
 
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.

Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.

I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.
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Tulo :coffee: :confused:
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Hurt last year, good value this year.
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I'm kind of a feel guy and I'm not feeling Tulo. I can see Drew having a decent season but not Tulo. If Alexei came from Cuba and played this well in his first season I see no reason for him to bust. He needs to take some pitches. Is this not something that can be worked on? He's been here a year, he's under 30 and he's shown some good power. He's got the tools and he's eligible at 2nd, SS, and OF. I like.
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You can only play him at one position. :shrug: Tulowitzki fell off the map last year because he was hurt. He was fine in August and September. You can look it up if you're not too busy starting threads touting Jimmy Gobble's sleeper potential.

 
Your Mother said:
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
Finless said:
Your Mother said:
6th rounder in an avg. leag, 9th-10th in an OBP leag. But he's probably going to be overrated going into next year.

Doesn't take walks of course, BA will deflate a little. 2nd-worst % of swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone in all of baseball (42.7%, Vlad had 45%) seems to portend to him not getting many pitches to hit this year.

I'd take Drew or Tulowitzki over him every day.
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Tulo :coffee: :confused:
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Hurt last year, good value this year.
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I'm kind of a feel guy and I'm not feeling Tulo. I can see Drew having a decent season but not Tulo. If Alexei came from Cuba and played this well in his first season I see no reason for him to bust. He needs to take some pitches. Is this not something that can be worked on? He's been here a year, he's under 30 and he's shown some good power. He's got the tools and he's eligible at 2nd, SS, and OF. I like.
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You can only play him at one position. :shrug: Tulowitzki fell off the map last year because he was hurt. He was fine in August and September. You can look it up if you're not too busy starting threads touting Jimmy Gobble's sleeper potential.
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I guess there's no benefit to having a guy with his potential eligible at SS, 2B and OF.
 
My point is that in most sane leagues his draft position will be such that you're going to be playing him every day. He can't play 2B and SS at the same time, so you're either sticking him at 2B because you have a good SS, or SS because you have a good 2B. His multi-positionicity is useful DURING the draft, because you can look for either a 2B OR SS to fill out your IF. But that's a pretty small advantage IMO. And after that, he's pretty much going to be locked into your lineup in one place or another.

I'd rather have a guy who actually could take a walk and only plays one position instead of Ramirez. But I usually stick to OBP leagues. :lmao:

 
The fact that he hit barely over .200 ( .216 i think) in September has me wondering if there will not be an adjustment to him as pitchers realize that the dude swings at everything..... i passed on him opting to take tejada like 10 rounds later......

 
If he couldn't take a walk and was striking out 100+ times, I'd be worried. But while he only walked 18 times, he also struck out just 61. His BABIP was reasonable and he doesn't look to just be hacking up there.

I wouldn't be against taking him at his current ADP.

 
I think he's helped in fantasy rankings this year by the lack of second-tier 2B. There's a big drop-off after Brian Roberts, and people scrambling to fill the position are taking a reach on Ramirez.

He's nearly as much of a mystery this year as he was in 2008. The lack of a normal minor league history resume means we're all projecting off of 500 PAs. I think he's a good candidate to regress and am letting someone else reach for him this year. But there's no denying his talent. We'll see if he can adjust to a steady diet of off-speed stuff.

 
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pantagrapher said:
I think Alexei puts up at least 20/20 and hits .275
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He may hit .275, but he's a terrible base stealer. And the power isn't legit.
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The 20 steals is a bit of a reach, but I think he's got a decent shot at it if Ozzie keep letting him run wild. The 20 homers is much more likely. His power is legit.ETA: He's on my keeper squad, so I am admittedly optimistic.
 
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pantagrapher said:
Mr. Pickles said:
pantagrapher said:
I think Alexei puts up at least 20/20 and hits .275
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He may hit .275, but he's a terrible base stealer. And the power isn't legit.
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The 20 steals is a bit of a reach, but I think he's got a decent shot at it if Ozzie keep letting him run wild. The 20 homers is much more likely. His power is legit.ETA: He's on my keeper squad, so I am admittedly optimistic.
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.332 with 87 home runs and 391 RBIs in seven seasons in Cuba with Pinar del Río. How is that legit power? He's a 20 HR guy in a good year.Guys that swing at everything scare me. You have to be really really good at it to survive (ala Vlad Guerrero). There's absolutely no margin for error here.13/22 in steals is pathetic. If Ozzie had a brain, he wouldn't let him run. (Anyone below 75% success shouldn't run at all.) But then again, it's Ozzie. At that clip (assuming he stays the same), he would need 34 attempts to clear 20 steals.Lastly, are we sure this guy is 27?
 
Mr. Pickles said:
pantagrapher said:
Mr. Pickles said:
pantagrapher said:
I think Alexei puts up at least 20/20 and hits .275
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He may hit .275, but he's a terrible base stealer. And the power isn't legit.
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The 20 steals is a bit of a reach, but I think he's got a decent shot at it if Ozzie keep letting him run wild. The 20 homers is much more likely. His power is legit.ETA: He's on my keeper squad, so I am admittedly optimistic.
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.332 with 87 home runs and 391 RBIs in seven seasons in Cuba with Pinar del Río. How is that legit power? He's a 20 HR guy in a good year.Guys that swing at everything scare me. You have to be really really good at it to survive (ala Vlad Guerrero). There's absolutely no margin for error here.13/22 in steals is pathetic. If Ozzie had a brain, he wouldn't let him run. (Anyone below 75% success shouldn't run at all.) But then again, it's Ozzie. At that clip (assuming he stays the same), he would need 34 attempts to clear 20 steals.Lastly, are we sure this guy is 27?
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I was high on Josh Barfield a few years ago, so I could be wrong. I liked what I saw from Alexei last year and I watched him a lot.
 
Eephus said:
I think he's helped in fantasy rankings this year by the lack of second-tier 2B. There's a big drop-off after Brian Roberts, and people scrambling to fill the position are taking a reach on Ramirez.
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Jose Lopez has very little hype on him now. If you miss out on an elite 2B, he's a good guy to get around Round 10 or so.Edit: I'm refering to leagues that use batting average and not OBP.
 
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.332 with 87 home runs and 391 RBIs in seven seasons in Cuba with Pinar del Río. How is that legit power? He's a 20 HR guy in a good year.
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They only play 90 games per season in Cuba. Those numbers average out to 22 HR and 100 RBI per MLB season.
 
Spartans Rule said:
Mr. Pickles said:
.332 with 87 home runs and 391 RBIs in seven seasons in Cuba with Pinar del Río. How is that legit power? He's a 20 HR guy in a good year.
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They only play 90 games per season in Cuba. Those numbers average out to 22 HR and 100 RBI per MLB season.
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are we still waiting for hideki matsui's power to translate?
 
By the way, I have a $10 bet with a friend of mine that Alexei Ramirez ranks higher than Nick Markakis at season's end (5x5 w/AVG).

 
Best swing in baseball, along with elite bat-speed. He will swing at everything, but the hype is well deserved.

 
Alexei is going too high for a guy who hasn't proved his stamina yet... at 6'2" 170lbs.

Too many other options at better value. The positional flexibility is good, but not enough to take him ahead of 2B-Uggla, Cano, DeRosa, SS-Tulowitzki, Hardy or Peralta, who will be available at later rounds.

I agree he has a higher potential ceiling than most of these guys, but there are too many unknowns at this point to take that gamble. I picked him up off the waiver wire last year and was thrilled with his production, but a 6-7 round pick in a 10 team 5X5 roto league just seems too much of a risk this year... I like him better at round 12-13 but he will be gone by then.

 
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I agree he has a higher potential ceiling than most of these guys
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Are you sure? He's 27 and might be 29.
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I don't disagree with you, but for a different reason.I am not speaking so much for his age as for his unknown untapped potential if he can hold up for 162 games.

The guy could go 25/25 batting .285 but we won't know until he actually proves it over a full season.

In OBP leagues it hinders his value as it is, so I would rather go with another more proven player.

 
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