All Aboard the Rainey Trainey (1 Viewer)

[Foster335]

Admittedly, I haven't read a lot of the comments in this thread. Just want to start out with that.

I just feel like, would Martin have fared much worse last night? Only one fumble, plus the garbage time yardage + catches?

That being said - my real point here - I'm almost thinking of selling high on Rainey and hoping Martin comes back strong next week, so I can sell high on him as well.

Can we really rely on this backfield? I feel like 15 points or 2 points is just as likely at this point.

edit: like would you package Rainey + Martin for Jeremy Hill right now?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

PPR or Non PPR is debatable, but not getting penalized for fumbles is ridiculous.

Hate penalizing for fumbles

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if you get points for scoring a TD then you should lose points for giving the ball to the other team.

i disagree

Troll is obviously trolling.-2 for fumbles in my league...seems fair. Tough, but not as bad as the -2 for a 59 yard FG attempt (which was worth 4 had he hit it...6 point swing).

Not possible for someone to think players shouldn't be penalized for turnovers?

You're the hilarious crackup that says "I dunno, can I?" when someone asks if you can pass the ketchup, aren't you?

Can't remember ever saying that, but go with it. This thread is full of people who seem to know what I'm thinking

That one's on you.

 

[Grahamburn]

No RB will get anything done behind that O-Line

This kind of stuff is so ridiculous. Rainey had 144 yards rushing just last week.

 

[qimqam]

No RB will get anything done behind that O-Line

This kind of stuff is so ridiculous. Rainey had 144 yards rushing just last week.

He meant no Other RB! and I would add ... any other RB would have fumbled 4-5 times vs Atl.

 

[Banger]

curious to see how this shakes out because there are few options on the roster, Martin is banged up and may not have to confidence of the coaching staff with respect to blocking assignments and hasn't looked very good with the ball in his hands and Rainey on the other hand has been explosive but can't hold onto the ball for more than 6 consecutive touches (which doesn't bode well for long term longevity). Seems like a mess but I think Rainey has more upside in the situation....any news from TB fans on the latest in this situation?

 

[Interseptopus]

Rainey owners, what are you doing this week?

Drop?

Bench?

Flex?

Even though he did well from a fanatsy perspective last week, it still seemed to be (to me) a debacle. I presume Martin comes back this week, and it seems like there's still talk of a shared workload. Could be worthy of a flex start

 

[cvnpoka]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

 

[Interseptopus]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

This is what I'm curious about. Is he getting the passing down work? Is he a better receiver than Martin?

What about goal line. I couldn't care less if he gets 5 carries or 20, as long as he gets catches and goal line, I'd start him as a flex in a heartbeat if that were the case

 

[Grahamburn]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

This is what I'm curious about. Is he getting the passing down work? Is he a better receiver than Martin?What about goal line. I couldn't care less if he gets 5 carries or 20, as long as he gets catches and goal line, I'd start him as a flex in a heartbeat if that were the case

Why would they give a scat back with fumble problems the goaline work? Passing down, maybe as they've been looking for someone to play passing downs since lovie came to town. But he's in every way the opposite of what you'd look for in a goaline back.

 

[3nOut]

Bench until I get a clearer picture of whats going to happen.

 

[Interseptopus]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

This is what I expect too.

Has to be the longest leash anyone's gotten for fumbling.

 

[sho nuff]

Have Martin and Rainey...wish I could unload both of them.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

This is what I expect too.Has to be the longest leash anyone's gotten for fumbling.

Murray.

Though he's made up for it every time.

 

[cvnpoka]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

 

[Peak]

Have Martin and Rainey...wish I could unload both of them.

I dumped both last week and picked up WW fodder in their place. They are still on the WW a week later. Their value is at a low and no one wants to touch either one right now.

 

[thatguythere]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Doug Martin (knee) participated in Bucs practice Monday.
Per beat writer Greg Auman, Martin "looked like he was practicing without limitations." Bobby Rainey has lost three fumbles through three games, and struggled outside of his Week 2 blowup against St. Louis. Martin still has a chance to retake Tampa Bay's backfield. The Bucs face Pittsburgh in Week 4. Sep 22 - 4:19 PM
Source: Greg Auman on Twitter

 

[Reegus]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Lol can't wait to bump this

 

[Interseptopus]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Lol can't wait to bump this

Why must people always do this? I never understand it. As if people are trying to get the Nelson "Ha Ha!" moment. I guess if it makes you feel good. I thoghht we were all here to have good discussion, not get into pissing matches. I guess we could bump this thread every week Rainey does good or bad. Does it make you any more right? Prob not. Because the next week he could have 3 TDs. Who cares.

People were laughing at his 2 fumbles last week but he's still in discussion in a 50/50 split. To me, that sounds weird. He looked awful last week but they are still considering playing him a lot? Odd for Martin owners.

I give the guy credit for making a ballsy choice. I'd prob start Martin if I were him. If Rainey does bad he will probably lose. That's enough insult there, why kick a man while he's down.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Lol can't wait to bump this

Why must people always do this? I never understand it. As if people are trying to get the Nelson "Ha Ha!" moment. I guess if it makes you feel good. I thoghht we were all here to have good discussion, not get into pissing matches. I guess we could bump this thread every week Rainey does good or bad. Does it make you any more right? Prob not. Because the next week he could have 3 TDs. Who cares. People were laughing at his 2 fumbles last week but he's still in discussion in a 50/50 split. To me, that sounds weird. He looked awful last week but they are still considering playing him a lot? Odd for Martin owners.

I give the guy credit for making a ballsy choice. I'd prob start Martin if I were him. If Rainey does bad he will probably lose. That's enough insult there, why kick a man while he's down.

You might want to read back through the thread. The guy he was responding to in no way wants to generate good discussion and very much wants to start passing matches.

Of course bumping it will do no good even if Martin has a great game and Rainey never sees the field anyhow because the guy is clearly just trolling in here.

 

[Interseptopus]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Lol can't wait to bump this

Why must people always do this? I never understand it. As if people are trying to get the Nelson "Ha Ha!" moment. I guess if it makes you feel good. I thoghht we were all here to have good discussion, not get into pissing matches. I guess we could bump this thread every week Rainey does good or bad. Does it make you any more right? Prob not. Because the next week he could have 3 TDs. Who cares. People were laughing at his 2 fumbles last week but he's still in discussion in a 50/50 split. To me, that sounds weird. He looked awful last week but they are still considering playing him a lot? Odd for Martin owners.

I give the guy credit for making a ballsy choice. I'd prob start Martin if I were him. If Rainey does bad he will probably lose. That's enough insult there, why kick a man while he's down.

You might want to read back through the thread. The guy he was responding to in no way wants to generate good discussion and very much wants to start passing matches.

Of course bumping it will do no good even if Martin has a great game and Rainey never sees the field anyhow because the guy is clearly just trolling in here.

No, I didn't get a chance to read back. In that case, yes he deserves it

 

[Resident A]

I can't even start Rainey when I have bye week issues. Sitting him for Sammy Watkins as of now. I need to see him outperform Martin while both are healthy before I can trust him.

 

[17seconds]

Have Martin and Rainey. Considering dropping Rainey for Khiry tonight. Tough call

 

[cvnpoka]

im starting him as a 2nd flex. got an injury and a bye, but i may have started him over vereen, pierce, and ball anyway. 5050 split, with rainey getting passing down work. not sure about gl work but rainey was in there week 1. both are small so who knows.

Ahh. Now I get the picture. Desperate Rainey owner.

With 3 fumbles in 3 games for Rainey expect Martin to get a long look against Pittsburgh.

im starting him over doug martin

Lol can't wait to bump this

Why must people always do this? I never understand it. As if people are trying to get the Nelson "Ha Ha!" moment. I guess if it makes you feel good. I thoghht we were all here to have good discussion, not get into pissing matches. I guess we could bump this thread every week Rainey does good or bad. Does it make you any more right? Prob not. Because the next week he could have 3 TDs. Who cares.People were laughing at his 2 fumbles last week but he's still in discussion in a 50/50 split. To me, that sounds weird. He looked awful last week but they are still considering playing him a lot? Odd for Martin owners.

I give the guy credit for making a ballsy choice. I'd prob start Martin if I were him. If Rainey does bad he will probably lose. That's enough insult there, why kick a man while he's down.

You might want to read back through the thread. The guy he was responding to in no way wants to generate good discussion and very much wants to start passing matches.

Of course bumping it will do no good even if Martin has a great game and Rainey never sees the field anyhow because the guy is clearly just trolling in here.

lol i dont troll. check my posting history. 95% of it is mundane normal information passing. in this thread, it seems i am taking an alternative point of view. but i am basing it on information passed on from beat writers and observations. reread the latest blurb about the situation. it specifically says that martin has an opportunity to "retake" the buccaneer backfield. the other writer mentioned how the coaches like rainey better and rainey was on track to start regardless of martin's health.

people in this thread are making leaps of faith and assumptions. they think that bc rainey has fumbled, that martin will automatically be given the job. it is not an unreasonable assumption, but there is no evidence to support it. all indications are that the coaching staff prefers rainey and that martin needs to regain his role.

 

[btemp]

If you hold both, I wouldn't pick between them yet. But if you have to choose one, I'd take Martin.

Rainey was still in the game largely because the Bucs didn't have anyone else. Mike James is not back to form yet, and it showed Thursday. And this Sunday, Martin still might be splitting carries with Rainey (as he was injured enough to miss two weeks) but assuming no set backs I see him re-assuming the lead back role.

 

[Banger]

If you hold both, I wouldn't pick between them yet. But if you have to choose one, I'd take Martin.

Rainey was still in the game largely because the Bucs didn't have anyone else. Mike James is not back to form yet, and it showed Thursday. And this Sunday, Martin still might be splitting carries with Rainey (as he was injured enough to miss two weeks) but assuming no set backs I see him re-assuming the lead back role.

Why? What does he do better besides possibly hold onto the football?

 

[Killtops]

As this thread indicates, I was aboard the Rainy Train when it left the station on Thursday. If you sat down to design the worst possible start to a game for a team and an RB, you could do it, but it would take a while. Needless to say I breathed a sigh of relief after his garbage time compiling.

I think that Doug Martin (if healthy) will return as the go-to guy, but the coaches know they have a guy who can break a game open (one way or the other it appears) in Rainey. So, he's staying on my bench for now.

Here is what impressed me from that game: Rainey was very hard on himself after both fumbles. Very hard. You expect this I suppose, so who cares? It is the way he responded that gives me some hope that he will have value for the future. He ran angry for the rest of the game. You could tell that many of the Tampa and Atlanta players had checked out of the game after the first four or five touchdowns, but Rainey did not. He ran hard, desperately fighting for yards, but still using his vision and patience. Granted, this is easier when the defence is playing thud speed, but he could have responded in a different way.

Jared Cook dropped a TD pass in a tight game, and instead of cursing himself out and pounding on his helmet, he took a swing at his (somewhat impressive) young QB. Attitude doesn't count for much in FF, but I think it informs how a player gets up to compete. A guy like Cook is on my fantasy blacklist (easier to do when he also sucks), but Rainey is going to be stashed for a while. If a few things go right, he could be a guy who wins games for teams this season.

I'm holding.

 

[3nOut]

I think Lovie will give Martin a chance to be the starter again if only to save face. But he won't be the belcow like originally thought. It's going to be an RBBC. That said, it may be a good idea to trade the one that may provide you more in return (Martin) and wait to pick up Sims when he returns. If the running game is struggling and the season is all but over by the time he returns, it may be SIMS who is the one taking over.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bobby Rainey - RB - Buccaneers

With Charles Sims and Doug Martin not playing in Week 9, Bobby Rainey is a candidate for 20-plus touches against the Browns.

Mike James will mix in as Tampa Bay's breather back. The Browns rank 30th in Football Outsiders' adjusted run-defense DVOA, and Rainey should get a nearly-full workload. He's suddenly a mid-range to high-end RB2 in this cupcake matchup. The Bucs have given James just 11 carries and one catch all year.

Nov 2 - 11:10 AM

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Watch Rainey be the great 2nd half stud folks are hoping Sims to be.

 

[belljr]

In over ivory ppr. Choo choo

 

[TartanLion]

In over McKinnon right now, but I might actually put McKinnon back in over Tate. Def starting Rainey though.

 

[BobbyLayne]

In over McKinnon right now, but I might actually put McKinnon back in over Tate. Def starting Rainey though.

All day, bro. That line couldn't open holes @ Jax or vs Oak. I get that TB is a plus matchup but take the explosive rook at home vs 'Skins over the dawg with fleas.

 

[TartanLion]

In over McKinnon right now, but I might actually put McKinnon back in over Tate. Def starting Rainey though.

All day, bro. That line couldn't open holes @ Jax or vs Oak. I get that TB is a plus matchup but take the explosive rook at home vs 'Skins over the dawg with fleas.

Cheers Bobby. You ( and Sigmund ) have helped me make the decision I wanted to make. I've had a feeling about McKinnon all week long. All week I was going Bradshaw, Tate and McKinnon until Raineys chance opened up.

Tate and Cleveland don't deserve my faith right now, I'll be far more annoyed if McKinnon goes off on my bench than Tate.

 

[BobbyLayne]

In over McKinnon right now, but I might actually put McKinnon back in over Tate. Def starting Rainey though.

All day, bro. That line couldn't open holes @ Jax or vs Oak. I get that TB is a plus matchup but take the explosive rook at home vs 'Skins over the dawg with fleas.

Cheers Bobby. You ( and Sigmund ) have helped me make the decision I wanted to make. I've had a feeling about McKinnon all week long. All week I was going Bradshaw, Tate and McKinnon until Raineys chance opened up.Tate and Cleveland don't deserve my faith right now, I'll be far more annoyed if McKinnon goes off on my bench than Tate.

OFF-TOPIC

I hear ya, pard. I def don't think anyone should be leaning on Rainey this week. Lovie can't wait to get the shrink wrap off Sims. I actually flat out cut Tate this week for the rookie who hasn't played a down. Tons of bye week issues for my league mates this week, and he's still sitting there after 7 moves yesterday & this morning.

OT part - I like your thinking, this is exactly how I evaluate WSIS decisions. I have to pick two Flex between Hookins, VJax and Shoelace. D. Robinson is red hot and has a great matchup. DeAndre has been solid to VG all but one week this year. VJax has one good game all year and two more that were barely WR3/4 quality. I'd rather go with the two who are performing solidly; if I get burned by the inconsistent boom/bust guy going off, so be it.

I've actually lost two games this year because of lineup decisions that involved Jackson over Hopkins.

/OT

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ha!

Sims inactive. Rainey day!

 

[Leonidas]

In over McKinnon right now, but I might actually put McKinnon back in over Tate. Def starting Rainey though.

All day, bro. That line couldn't open holes @ Jax or vs Oak. I get that TB is a plus matchup but take the explosive rook at home vs 'Skins over the dawg with fleas.

Cheers Bobby. You ( and Sigmund ) have helped me make the decision I wanted to make. I've had a feeling about McKinnon all week long. All week I was going Bradshaw, Tate and McKinnon until Raineys chance opened up.Tate and Cleveland don't deserve my faith right now, I'll be far more annoyed if McKinnon goes off on my bench than Tate.

OFF-TOPIC

I hear ya, pard. I def don't think anyone should be leaning on Rainey this week. Lovie can't wait to get the shrink wrap off Sims. I actually flat out cut Tate this week for the rookie who hasn't played a down. Tons of bye week issues for my league mates this week, and he's still sitting there after 7 moves yesterday & this morning.

OT part - I like your thinking, this is exactly how I evaluate WSIS decisions. I have to pick two Flex between Hookins, VJax and Shoelace. D. Robinson is red hot and has a great matchup. DeAndre has been solid to VG all but one week this year. VJax has one good game all year and two more that were barely WR3/4 quality. I'd rather go with the two who are performing solidly; if I get burned by the inconsistent boom/bust guy going off, so be it.

I've actually lost two games this year because of lineup decisions that involved Jackson over Hopkins.

/OT

We knew Sims was inactive today before you posted this, FWIW

 

[TartanLion]

Dude I'm actually going with Hopkins today to cover Nelsons bye. Hoping he's a deep threat against Phillys bad pass D. Arizona almost bust out 3-4 massive passing plays last week. Let's hope he has a good one.

Apologies folks no more OT chat.

 

[belljr]

Choo choo

 

[Leonidas]

I hear ya, pard. I def don't think anyone should be leaning on Rainey this week. Lovie can't wait to get the shrink wrap off Sims. I actually flat out cut Tate this week for the rookie who hasn't played a down. Tons of bye week issues for my league mates this week, and he's still sitting there after 7 moves yesterday & this morning.

107 yards with 10 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter

 

[BobbyLayne]

Ha!

Sims inactive. Rainey day!

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bobby Rainey rushed 19 times for 87 yards and caught a 34-yard pass in the Bucs' Week 9 loss to Cleveland.

Rainey was the catalyst of Tampa Bay's first-half offense, but OC Marcus Arroyo inexplicably turned away from him in the second half, where Rainey only handled four carries. The Bucs went on to lose 22-17 to the Browns. With Charles Sims likely to make his NFL debut against Atlanta next week, Rainey's flex start-ability may be short lived. The Buccaneers have one win on the season and are looking to play their pups. Sims was a too-70 pick in May's draft.

Nov. 2 - 4:24 pm

 

[TartanLion]

The second half was disappointing after the blistering start. He was still a very decent one week flyer but it could have been even better

 

[pbandy1]

His 2nd half usage was quite surprising. Not sure what the OC was thinking.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Bobby Rainey rushed for 14 yards on six carries in the Bucs' Week 10 loss to the Falcons.

He added four catches for 42 yards. Rainey got the start, but each of he and Charles Sims received 10 touches. Sims totaled 40 yards and lost a fumble. Rainey was far from impressive, as he picked up a good chunk of his yards on the Bucs' final garbage-time possession. We'd still say Rainey has the edge over Sims, but Doug Martin (ankle) could be reentering the mix next week. Rainey is talented, but this has become a muddy backfield to avoid.

Nov 9 - 5:16 PM

 

[bb7278]

RB3 this week guys got staying power!

Who's in?