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Mister CIA
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Jayrod
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crap, I don't know what I did there. Totally thought it was my turn. I'm operating off of my phone at the grocery store, so I must have misread what was going on. You can take Pierce as you definitely should be picking before me.
Doug B
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You were — Jayrod jumped the gun. But it looks like you were targeting different players fortunately.
EYLive
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We are good. I would rather piss blood in shark infested waters than draft Paul Pierce when The Human Highlight Reel is available.
Jayrod
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Frostillicus
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C Bill Russell
PF Bob Petit
SF Dominique Wilkins
PG Isiah Thomas
Enjoy 10 minutes of the greatest dunker of all time doing what he did best
PF Bob Petit
SF Dominique Wilkins
PG Isiah Thomas
Enjoy 10 minutes of the greatest dunker of all time doing what he did best
wikkidpissah
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4.14 Dave Cowens C 70s
Gotsta have a major Celtic. Proud its this one.
My Uncle Jimmy took me to Celtics games every Sunday afternoon they were home from 1962-70. Spring of '69, we were at a game and Bill Russell went down ugly. Sprained ankle but looked worse. I've never felt so much dread in one room. Going into the playoffs without #6 (our coach as well, mind you) was that inconceivable. He made it to the playoffs and won us another title, then promptly walked away. The dread was real now - that was it.
We suffered thru an awful year (i've told my Hank Finkel story already) of Tommy Heinsohn yelling at his players almost as much as the refs, then we drafted a small, slow white guy to replace our big, slow white guy who had replaced the Greatest Winner of All Time. Yeesh - this is gonna be brutal.
Dont wanna pull a Jayrod (how many Jayrods are there to pull now?) but the centers of the 70s were a Murderer's Row - one tall, one thick, one tall & thick etc etc. besides Kareem and Walton and Unseld and Cowens there are at least 3 more that should go in the Top 100. Yet the only team to win two championships in the 70s were the Dave Cowens/John Havlicek Celtics. Still cant believe it and i was there. And of all the great 70s centers, i believe he would have adapted best to the trey game. The battles w the guy in Denver would be epic.
Gotsta have a major Celtic. Proud its this one.
My Uncle Jimmy took me to Celtics games every Sunday afternoon they were home from 1962-70. Spring of '69, we were at a game and Bill Russell went down ugly. Sprained ankle but looked worse. I've never felt so much dread in one room. Going into the playoffs without #6 (our coach as well, mind you) was that inconceivable. He made it to the playoffs and won us another title, then promptly walked away. The dread was real now - that was it.
We suffered thru an awful year (i've told my Hank Finkel story already) of Tommy Heinsohn yelling at his players almost as much as the refs, then we drafted a small, slow white guy to replace our big, slow white guy who had replaced the Greatest Winner of All Time. Yeesh - this is gonna be brutal.
Dont wanna pull a Jayrod (how many Jayrods are there to pull now?) but the centers of the 70s were a Murderer's Row - one tall, one thick, one tall & thick etc etc. besides Kareem and Walton and Unseld and Cowens there are at least 3 more that should go in the Top 100. Yet the only team to win two championships in the 70s were the Dave Cowens/John Havlicek Celtics. Still cant believe it and i was there. And of all the great 70s centers, i believe he would have adapted best to the trey game. The battles w the guy in Denver would be epic.
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wikkidpissah
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Makes sense. I feel like Dominique could have done a lot more on defense. He's physically pretty much the ideal NBA wing. Long, strong and explosive. He made perfect sense for my team, needed points since Bill Russell and Zeke weren't high PPG guys. I didn't have that classic pure scorer like a Jordan or Kobe.
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Doug B
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Dominique was a product of the league he entered and his team's philosophy. Wilkins -- and a bunch of other guys -- came up during a time of general defensive de-emphasis in the NBA. Pulling his second NBA season (1983-84) as a sample, over half the league teams averaged 110+ ppg, and only three teams allowed less than 105 ppg. If D. Wilkins comes into the league five years later under a coach like Chuck Daly, he might have molded his game in a different direction.
EDIT: It was actually " ... averaged one hundred and ten ppg". Fixed and bolded above.
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Jayrod
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Dominique was a great scorer and my initial plan was to take him.
Since I really didn't have any choice, it didn't matter, but I'm more at peace with Pierce instead of being upset I got sniped. I just didn't want two slashers with Kareem and Giannis already working in the paint. Every posession would have been a traffic jam.
Since I really didn't have any choice, it didn't matter, but I'm more at peace with Pierce instead of being upset I got sniped. I just didn't want two slashers with Kareem and Giannis already working in the paint. Every posession would have been a traffic jam.
Ilov80s
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Great point and while that was maybe a weakness, it was also maybe played into just how incredible he was on the offensive end. From 84-94 he was a 28.0 ppg.
Ilov80s
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Makes sense. Pierce is a better fit for what you have. Giannis and 'Nique are too similar.
modogg
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hope @timschochetpicks soon. finally think i have figured some picks. boxed myself in with taking 3 guards (1 poss sf) all ready
have watched way more NBA today than i should have
have watched way more NBA today than i should have
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Jayrod
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That's one of the subjective factors, which is why Yo Mama wants multiple judges for each category, to smooth out the opinions to gain more of a consensus.
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James Worthy SF
modogg
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cool. i think i have my 2 so should be right back to you soon.
First at 3.16 is a guy i can't look away from. My poor 60s and 70s teams might be tough to compete, but as a loyal Sixers fan i am willing to Tank a decade to soar the rest of them:
3.16: Joel "The Process" Embiid C, 10's - prediction if we do this draft in 5-10 years from now, Joel goes in the 1st round.
honestly if you look into this guy and his stats, he rivals the top 3 Centers of all time. often compared to Hakeem, Hakeem has already said he could be better than him. Dr. J has said similar:
random stuff i copied and pasted earlier today:
Embiid has just four NBA seasons (2 missed because of injury) but has an unmatched potential. A three-time All-Star already, Embiid has averaged 24.1 points, 11.5 rebounds, and 1.8 blocks per game. Embiid is also a significant force on the defensive end, making 2 All-Defensive teams in his brief career.
The way he is scoring so efficiently has put him at the top of some elite lists when it comes to centers. He is averaging 11.6 free throws per game and he is knocking them down 85.6% of the time.
Wilt Chamberlain, Walt Bellamy, and Moses Malone are the only centers to average 30+ points and 10+ free throws in a season. If Embiid can keep this type of production up, he will be just the fourth center to accomplish the feat and he would be the only one to shoot over 80% from the line.
Centers with 30+ points and 10+ free-throw attempts per game in a season:
– Wilt Chamberlain (7x)
– Walt Bellamy
– Moses Malone
– Joel Embiid this season
Embiid is the only one shooting 80%+ from the line. pic.twitter.com/p7c9lQkM65
Yesterday was Joel Embiid's 3rd game with 40+ points and 19+ rebounds. Since 1980, the only other players to do that 3+ times are
Charles Barkley
DeMarcus Cousins
Anthony Davis
Kevin Love
Moses Malone
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
SportsCenter] Joel Embiid is on pace to join 2015-16 Stephen Curry as the only players to average 30 points on 50% shooting and 40% on 3-pointers in a season. Steph was the unanimous MVP that season
(h/t @ESPNStatsInfo)
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Ilov80s
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good question, I was looking at a list that adjusted stats to only look at players best 10 years to cancel out longevity and focus on peak performance. It helped some of my guys a lot.
Thomas went from 9th all time to 4th in assists, Wilkins became the 9th best scorer of all time.
Mister CIA
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I'm curious how my Luka pick will be judged. Yes, he's barely got 150 games under his belt, but flirting with a 30/10/10 average at such a young age is ridiculous. Obviously past performance offers no assurance of future greatness and we've seen greatness curtailed by injuries (and worse), but I think the sample size is large enough here that my "pantheon" roster looks fabulous.
modogg
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thinking similar with Joel (who i would say is even better than Luka, but that is another conversation).
I think with guys still in the league and not finishing their careers, some of these will be tup in the air. Embiid has shown this year that he can come into a season with conditioning and in shape and minus a 2-handed shove by Lebron in the air, would have been healthy
Mister CIA
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Was on my short list when I selected Luka. Imagine Durant and Worthy slipping in and out of SF/PF roles with Hakeem dominating in the paint.
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timschochet
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Yo Mama
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Yeah it sucks on the turn. You need to reach a bit sometimes since you have to wait so long between picks
Kev4029
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This year's stats are so bonkers in the NBA. Everything is a bit inflated. Embiid has the 13th best PER of all time this season... He's not even number one at his position this year.
I think it was Kevin Pelton that had the stat (or one of those nerdy stat types, they all blend in my head) that there was something like 46 players going into the All-Star break that had some sort of stat line that had never been achieved by a player that missed the All-Star game.
modogg
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the other guy is close (won't mention his name caus he likely goes this round), but Embiid's defense is loads above that other guy. Not saying he isn't good because he is, but Embiid's top notch (close to DPOY every year) is certainly worth it
modogg
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4.1 picking a guy i don't know a ton about, so at least i can check out some youtube on him before progressing. not a long career, but a lot of reason why below:
4.1 Connie Hawkins PF, (TBD if 60s or 70s)
Career stats: 28.2 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 4.3 APG
Due to his alleged ties to a point-shaving scandal of the early 1960s, post player Connie Hawkins was unable to play in the NBA, as then-commissioner J. Walter Kennedy openly barred Hawkins from earning a contract with the league. Instead, Hawkins had to play in smaller organizations like the ABA, ABL, and even with the Harlem Globetrotters. During his time in Minnesota and Pittsburgh, Hawkins became the 1968 ABA MVP and won a championship in that same year. Eventually, though, Hawkins filed a lawsuit against the NBA, saying that there was no substantial evidence linking him to the gambling scandal that had kept him out of the league. They eventually settled with him, and Hawkins jumped ship to the NBA after the 1968-1969 season.
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A slender 6-foot-8 forward most remembered for his styling ‘70s facial hair, a glide like Clyde’s and hands big enough to wave the ball around like a grapefruit, Hawkins left us forever wanting more not at the back end of his career but at the front. He arrived late, held off by allegations that proved to be unfounded and a ban from the NBA – first unofficial, then more formal – that kept him knocking around the professional game’s netherworld for eight long years.
Hawkins played seven seasons in the league. He had his best year as a 27-year-old rookie in 1969-70, averaging 24.6 points and 9.1 rebounds as the Phoenix Suns’ first superstar. He was an All-Star in each of his first four seasons, and his court exploits were known widely enough – more word of mouth than video in those days – that he made it into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame anyway.
4.1 Connie Hawkins PF, (TBD if 60s or 70s)
Career stats: 28.2 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 4.3 APG
Due to his alleged ties to a point-shaving scandal of the early 1960s, post player Connie Hawkins was unable to play in the NBA, as then-commissioner J. Walter Kennedy openly barred Hawkins from earning a contract with the league. Instead, Hawkins had to play in smaller organizations like the ABA, ABL, and even with the Harlem Globetrotters. During his time in Minnesota and Pittsburgh, Hawkins became the 1968 ABA MVP and won a championship in that same year. Eventually, though, Hawkins filed a lawsuit against the NBA, saying that there was no substantial evidence linking him to the gambling scandal that had kept him out of the league. They eventually settled with him, and Hawkins jumped ship to the NBA after the 1968-1969 season.
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A slender 6-foot-8 forward most remembered for his styling ‘70s facial hair, a glide like Clyde’s and hands big enough to wave the ball around like a grapefruit, Hawkins left us forever wanting more not at the back end of his career but at the front. He arrived late, held off by allegations that proved to be unfounded and a ban from the NBA – first unofficial, then more formal – that kept him knocking around the professional game’s netherworld for eight long years.
Hawkins played seven seasons in the league. He had his best year as a 27-year-old rookie in 1969-70, averaging 24.6 points and 9.1 rebounds as the Phoenix Suns’ first superstar. He was an All-Star in each of his first four seasons, and his court exploits were known widely enough – more word of mouth than video in those days – that he made it into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame anyway.
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