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2022 NBA Roster Draft - This draft goes to 12! (1 Viewer)
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wikkidpissah
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well, i wasnt going to do this cuz the only reason i entered is that i thought a sim was gonna be run on it, but i dont want y'all to feel the effort wasted.Eephus said:
i'm liking hoops less and less because shots are taken more & more and respected less & less. open shots and blocked shots are the sport's two great beauties, so i put together the team that could do the most about that.
getting Jokic made that easy. watched him against my team last nite and he's doing some Bird-class #### out there. there's only two players on his team right now who arent hasbeen or neverwas scrubs and one of those two (Gordon) caint shoot a lick and they put up the most first-half points the Celts have given up in a month all off him. extraordinary.
first thing (and i know i took him too high but every draft pick should be the guy you most want who wont be available next time you pick) is i took a guy, Mobley, who could take many of Joker's jobs on defense and also get out da way. funny thing is he'll never score more points - in what may be a HOF career - than he will by staying out of Joker's way.
next three guys -Ingram, Brogdon, Smaaaat - can drive & dish or stop & pop and all have excellent court vision and both guards work hard to get shots and find people open. dunno if my team is the only one with 4 starters who avg more'n 5 assists/g, but i'd guess it is.
next thing is Westbrook - either he does what i asked him wks ago and the Lakers are asking him now - make the middle 6-8 mins of each half hell on opposing benches or sit for the rest of his career. i can afford it. i got the next triple-double specialist (Josh Giddey) ready to go. whichever does the trick, i got young wings can run all day in Bey & Vassell & Ziaire and a guy who'll set pix til he dies in JaVale. Rui Hachimura will scoop the misses and try to figure this team scheme out better than he has the Wizards. the skills are no doubt there if he gets to a team where standing around isnt fashionable. and that's that -
i'll vote too, i guess. who gets it?
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Trae Young- I like having a PG that is not scared of big moments, is willing to pass the ball, but also has scoring ability. I love his pick and roll game. I love that his outside shooting range forces defenders to pay attention 35 feet away from the hoop. While i concede that his defense is lacking--the rest of my team is filled with adequate to elite defenders that can shore up that weakness. Trae already has put up video game numbers--but in reality--he plays on a team where the opposition can really focus on stopping him. On the team that I created in this draft--opposing teams do not have this luxury as the team is loaded top to bottom. Trae will have lots of consistent scorers to pass the ball to--and defenses cannot just play to stop him. I think the result will be more assists, slightly less scoring--but more efficient shooting, and fewer turnovers.
Bradley Beal- I was in between him and Anthony Edwards. If this draft was about building a team for the next 2-4 years--I would have went Edwards. However--this draft was about drafting a team that has the best chance of winning this season and assuming full health for eligible players (No sexton, simmons..etc). Bradley Beal in full health is basically good enough by himself to carry a team to the brink of the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. Much like Trae--he's never had the luxury of playing with consistently good teammates that he could depend on. He did play with westbrook--but westbrook has a lot of shortcomings and flaws in his game. Beal is a fantastic offensive player with plenty of range on his jumpshot, and has decent court vision. He's also an underrated defender. Am I saying he's an elite defender--no--but I have no problem calling him adequate to average.
RJ Barrett- he's really stepped up his game this season on both sides of the ball. He's scoring more and his defense has really improved. Again--one of the reasons why I took him is because I felt like he could thrive within the framework of my team. If you look at him on the knicks--his efficiency is not the greatest. I can give you two reasons for that. The knicks do not have a true point guard that excels at distributing the ball. Even last year--often times Julius Randle would lead the team in assists. The second reason why Barrett's efficiency is down is because julius randle has regressed this year compared to last season. This has put more pressure on Barrett to score--and with Randle slowing down this season--opposing teams are able to pay more attention to Barrett. Again--just like Beal--the framework of this team won't allow that to happen. The quality and ease of Barretts looks should vastly improve--and I'd expect his efficiency to jump as a result
Tobias Harris- he's just a solid player imo. He's not sexy, he's not flashy--but he's one of those guys that just gets the job done. Has decent handles, has 3pt range, adequate defender, can grab boards, and I really like his mid-range game. I think one of the reasons why he doesn't get enough respect is because he's a really good player but has a max contract. While he's a really good player--he's not elite--and people hold his contract against him in reality. However--for the sake of this draft--we said no salary cap--and I feel like I stole him where I drafted him. On this team--where defenders will have to guard trae 35 feet away from the hoop, people can't cheat off of beal, ayton doing his thing in the interior and the paint--that should open things up perfectly for Harris's bread and butter--the mid range.
Deandre Ayton- there aren't too many bigs in the game that can play super well on a quick paced team-but Ayton can. He's one of the most underrated players in the NBA imo. He's one of a handful of bigs that is great in the low post, the mid post, is a great target to lob to, is a great rebounder, has decent touch away from the basket, and is a very good rim protector. Trae and him should develop some amazing chemistry. I think having a guy that can get post position and provide your team with an easy bucket when your outside shot isn't falling is a huge asset to have. Sometimes in reality--it seems like the Suns maybe forget about Ayton--but that wont be happening on my team. When Ayton is engaged and is involved--he's a heck of a player. I also love having a guy that doesn't put my team at a huge disadvantage against guys like Jokic or embiid. I also like having his defense at the rim to help erase some of traes defensive issues.
Bench:
Jordan Poole (pg/sg)-- he's on my bench--but he has starter talent. My team is predicated on using a quick point guard with range to spark/instigate an offense. Jordan poole fills this need perfectly. Super quick, has 3 point range, very solid handles---and moves soo well off of the ball.
Hamidou Diallo (sg/sf)- super athletic, quick player that is very solid defensively. He can guard 1's, 2's and 3's. His athleticism and speed pair well with both the pace that Trae and Poole like to play with. His versatility on the defensive end is a huge asset.
Amir Coffey (sf/pf)- love this dude. Came into the league as being a "three and d" guy--but he's turned out to be soo much more. Fantastic defender that can defend 1's, 2's, 3's, and 4's. He's one of the main reasons why a completely decimated clippers team still remains competitive and relevant. He's a guy that has the ability to go for 25 points--but has little to no ego. A hardworking, coachable player that reminds me a very little bit of Tayshaun Prince.
Kyle kuzma (Sf/PF)- dude is balling as a starter for the wizards right now. Very solid defender, very good rebounder, nice vision--he's a legit triple double threat if he gets starters minutes. With that said--having him come off the bench for me is nothing but a welcome treat. I like the fact that he has playoff experience and has a ring to show for it. He's quick and athletic--but also has nice touch and 3 point range.
Wendell carter jr. (PF/C)- much like Kuzma, poole, and coffey--carter jr is a bench player for me that is a legit starting talent in the NBA. He's a double double machine. Very good defender, and a big that actually has range. I like his efficiency on the offensive end. I also like that he's versatile to play as a PF or a center. Much like Tobias--he's not a sexy or a flashy player--but he's just solid and productive.
kevon looney/nerlens Noel (PF/C)- With Looney--I wanted a big that has size that I can use as a second option against guys like jokic, embiid, kat..etc--but I also wanted a big that had experience playing with a faster paced offense. Looney has played with guys like steph/klay/poole/draymond--so he should fit in fine here. With Noel (my last pick)- I looked at my roster--and I felt like offense was no longer a priority. I have lots of scorers on my team--but I wanted a guy that I could use against guys like giannis or siacam straight up--or can use for rim protection within my teams defensive framework.
Team dynamic
In a 20 team league--the best team would need to be considerably better than the best team in a 30 team league (which is how many teams there are in the NBA). Right now--the best team in the NBA are the Phoenix Suns. I view my team as being the Phoenix Suns on steroids. Their dynamic is built around a PG that not only excels at distributing the ball--but is also a threat to score the ball (in CP3), a bonafide scorer with very solid range (Booker), and an inside threat on the offensive end that is also a rim protector on the opposite end (Ayton). They then filled in the rest of their roster with players that can shoot, and defend.
I have a similar roster construction--Trae Young is my PG that is a great distributor of the ball--but also a major threat to score himself. My bonafide scorer with range is Bradley Beal--a guy that is hungry to win--and is hungry to play with better teammates, and my inside threat/defensive anchor is Deandre Ayton. RJ Barrett is a great addition to this mix with his defensive and offensive improvements. Harris is also a solid all around player that fits well within the framework of my team. However--if I'm going against a team where they have two bigs--I can swap Harris out for Wendell Carter in my starting lineup--and eliminate my opponents advantage.
The beauty of my team is that I can compete no matter what. I already answered what I can do against a big lineup. If somebody wants to go small and quick against me--I can start Trae, put Poole in as my SG, beal as my SF, kuzma as my PF, and run Carter jr as my center. If my team is up late in the game and I just need to get a few stops--I can put my defensive lineup in--where I go with Poole, Diallo, Coffey, Kuzma, and Ayton.
The reality is that there is no reason to believe that my starters won't score 85-90 points combined on a regular basis. If Trae and Beal each scored around 22.5, and ayton, Harris, and Barret around 15 points each--thats basically 90 points. My bench guys--Kuzma, carter jr, poole, Diallo, coffey, Looney, and Noel could easily average a combined 37-42 points---which means that you could be looking at a team that scores 130+ points on a regular basis. I see a team that is very hard to defend--you have to defend my team from inside the paint to 35 feet away with Trae and his deep bombs. I have rim protection, wing defenders, athleticism, inside game, speed, and size.
Bradley Beal- I was in between him and Anthony Edwards. If this draft was about building a team for the next 2-4 years--I would have went Edwards. However--this draft was about drafting a team that has the best chance of winning this season and assuming full health for eligible players (No sexton, simmons..etc). Bradley Beal in full health is basically good enough by himself to carry a team to the brink of the playoffs in the Eastern Conference. Much like Trae--he's never had the luxury of playing with consistently good teammates that he could depend on. He did play with westbrook--but westbrook has a lot of shortcomings and flaws in his game. Beal is a fantastic offensive player with plenty of range on his jumpshot, and has decent court vision. He's also an underrated defender. Am I saying he's an elite defender--no--but I have no problem calling him adequate to average.
RJ Barrett- he's really stepped up his game this season on both sides of the ball. He's scoring more and his defense has really improved. Again--one of the reasons why I took him is because I felt like he could thrive within the framework of my team. If you look at him on the knicks--his efficiency is not the greatest. I can give you two reasons for that. The knicks do not have a true point guard that excels at distributing the ball. Even last year--often times Julius Randle would lead the team in assists. The second reason why Barrett's efficiency is down is because julius randle has regressed this year compared to last season. This has put more pressure on Barrett to score--and with Randle slowing down this season--opposing teams are able to pay more attention to Barrett. Again--just like Beal--the framework of this team won't allow that to happen. The quality and ease of Barretts looks should vastly improve--and I'd expect his efficiency to jump as a result
Tobias Harris- he's just a solid player imo. He's not sexy, he's not flashy--but he's one of those guys that just gets the job done. Has decent handles, has 3pt range, adequate defender, can grab boards, and I really like his mid-range game. I think one of the reasons why he doesn't get enough respect is because he's a really good player but has a max contract. While he's a really good player--he's not elite--and people hold his contract against him in reality. However--for the sake of this draft--we said no salary cap--and I feel like I stole him where I drafted him. On this team--where defenders will have to guard trae 35 feet away from the hoop, people can't cheat off of beal, ayton doing his thing in the interior and the paint--that should open things up perfectly for Harris's bread and butter--the mid range.
Deandre Ayton- there aren't too many bigs in the game that can play super well on a quick paced team-but Ayton can. He's one of the most underrated players in the NBA imo. He's one of a handful of bigs that is great in the low post, the mid post, is a great target to lob to, is a great rebounder, has decent touch away from the basket, and is a very good rim protector. Trae and him should develop some amazing chemistry. I think having a guy that can get post position and provide your team with an easy bucket when your outside shot isn't falling is a huge asset to have. Sometimes in reality--it seems like the Suns maybe forget about Ayton--but that wont be happening on my team. When Ayton is engaged and is involved--he's a heck of a player. I also love having a guy that doesn't put my team at a huge disadvantage against guys like Jokic or embiid. I also like having his defense at the rim to help erase some of traes defensive issues.
Bench:
Jordan Poole (pg/sg)-- he's on my bench--but he has starter talent. My team is predicated on using a quick point guard with range to spark/instigate an offense. Jordan poole fills this need perfectly. Super quick, has 3 point range, very solid handles---and moves soo well off of the ball.
Hamidou Diallo (sg/sf)- super athletic, quick player that is very solid defensively. He can guard 1's, 2's and 3's. His athleticism and speed pair well with both the pace that Trae and Poole like to play with. His versatility on the defensive end is a huge asset.
Amir Coffey (sf/pf)- love this dude. Came into the league as being a "three and d" guy--but he's turned out to be soo much more. Fantastic defender that can defend 1's, 2's, 3's, and 4's. He's one of the main reasons why a completely decimated clippers team still remains competitive and relevant. He's a guy that has the ability to go for 25 points--but has little to no ego. A hardworking, coachable player that reminds me a very little bit of Tayshaun Prince.
Kyle kuzma (Sf/PF)- dude is balling as a starter for the wizards right now. Very solid defender, very good rebounder, nice vision--he's a legit triple double threat if he gets starters minutes. With that said--having him come off the bench for me is nothing but a welcome treat. I like the fact that he has playoff experience and has a ring to show for it. He's quick and athletic--but also has nice touch and 3 point range.
Wendell carter jr. (PF/C)- much like Kuzma, poole, and coffey--carter jr is a bench player for me that is a legit starting talent in the NBA. He's a double double machine. Very good defender, and a big that actually has range. I like his efficiency on the offensive end. I also like that he's versatile to play as a PF or a center. Much like Tobias--he's not a sexy or a flashy player--but he's just solid and productive.
kevon looney/nerlens Noel (PF/C)- With Looney--I wanted a big that has size that I can use as a second option against guys like jokic, embiid, kat..etc--but I also wanted a big that had experience playing with a faster paced offense. Looney has played with guys like steph/klay/poole/draymond--so he should fit in fine here. With Noel (my last pick)- I looked at my roster--and I felt like offense was no longer a priority. I have lots of scorers on my team--but I wanted a guy that I could use against guys like giannis or siacam straight up--or can use for rim protection within my teams defensive framework.
Team dynamic
In a 20 team league--the best team would need to be considerably better than the best team in a 30 team league (which is how many teams there are in the NBA). Right now--the best team in the NBA are the Phoenix Suns. I view my team as being the Phoenix Suns on steroids. Their dynamic is built around a PG that not only excels at distributing the ball--but is also a threat to score the ball (in CP3), a bonafide scorer with very solid range (Booker), and an inside threat on the offensive end that is also a rim protector on the opposite end (Ayton). They then filled in the rest of their roster with players that can shoot, and defend.
I have a similar roster construction--Trae Young is my PG that is a great distributor of the ball--but also a major threat to score himself. My bonafide scorer with range is Bradley Beal--a guy that is hungry to win--and is hungry to play with better teammates, and my inside threat/defensive anchor is Deandre Ayton. RJ Barrett is a great addition to this mix with his defensive and offensive improvements. Harris is also a solid all around player that fits well within the framework of my team. However--if I'm going against a team where they have two bigs--I can swap Harris out for Wendell Carter in my starting lineup--and eliminate my opponents advantage.
The beauty of my team is that I can compete no matter what. I already answered what I can do against a big lineup. If somebody wants to go small and quick against me--I can start Trae, put Poole in as my SG, beal as my SF, kuzma as my PF, and run Carter jr as my center. If my team is up late in the game and I just need to get a few stops--I can put my defensive lineup in--where I go with Poole, Diallo, Coffey, Kuzma, and Ayton.
The reality is that there is no reason to believe that my starters won't score 85-90 points combined on a regular basis. If Trae and Beal each scored around 22.5, and ayton, Harris, and Barret around 15 points each--thats basically 90 points. My bench guys--Kuzma, carter jr, poole, Diallo, coffey, Looney, and Noel could easily average a combined 37-42 points---which means that you could be looking at a team that scores 130+ points on a regular basis. I see a team that is very hard to defend--you have to defend my team from inside the paint to 35 feet away with Trae and his deep bombs. I have rim protection, wing defenders, athleticism, inside game, speed, and size.
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Frostillicus
Footballguy
I have gotten 4 rankings. Let's go lazies.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
After this should we do more? We could do decades. We could do single years. Just wanna do more nba draft stuff.
PIK95
Footballguy
Everyone hated my team. I loved it. I don't feel motivated to put in the time now. I'll hold out for the WIS.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
top to bottom would be most helpful.wikkidpissah said:
Frostillicus
Footballguy
7 rankings in. 4 different teams have a first place vote. 3 different teams have a last place vote. 3 players voted their own team #1.
scoobus
Footballguy
scoobus
Footballguy
It’s all fun man, don’t take anything personal, we’re just talking/arguing basketball in here.PIK95 said:
I assume you’re referring to me as one of those people who hated your team but I don’t. For sure I think I overrated DeRozan’s previous struggles (or underrated his current season), he’s been absolutely bonkers this year.
Jayrod
Footballguy
For once it wasn't me! (did name me #2, thought)
I figured that this would likely be the case as everyone will use their own personal criteria for their rankings and usually drafted based on that same criteria.
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Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Teams are relatively even. I’d say that there wasn’t much difference in my rankings between the first and last team although maybe that’s because I ranked my team first.
Instinctive
Footballguy
scoobus
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
i haven't put a huge amount of time into it, but this was my initial feeling. I had about 3 or 4 teams that I thought I could argue more strongly for as being at the very top and the same at the bottom, but I wasn't feeling super strong about it and all the rest of the teams were really hard to separate.
PIK95
Footballguy
I never take anything personal. I am just super busy, and everyone seemed to have negative vibes towards all my picks anyway. So I just conceded. No biggie.
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Will try and get a list out in the next few days. A newborn is making that slightly difficult.
Eephus
Footballguy
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It’s been a phenomenal streak. He’d go higher in a redraft.DeMar DeRozan is the first player in NBA history with 35 points and 50% shooting in seven straight games
Chicago Bulls beat the Kings 125-118.
But he suxors in this format...
Instinctive
Footballguy
FWIW, All Star Centers:
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
KAT
Jarrett Allen
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
KAT
Jarrett Allen
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Before this completely dies out, I'm goint to roll out the rankings tomorrow. Tonight is your last chance to get your votes in. I have only gotten 8, so that means there are 12 of you who aren't playing by the rules. I'll start around noon tomorrow. Lessgo!
Frostillicus
Footballguy
9 rankings in! Go Go Go!
Frostillicus
Footballguy
One of the teams with a first place vote that didn't come from himself also has two 18s. That's weird.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
There's also a team with a 2 and a 19 and a team with a 2 and an 18.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Last call for rankings!
Frostillicus
Footballguy
********** TRADE EVERYONE AND REBUILD *******************
The Gator - average ranking: 17.4. Best: 6th. Worst: 20th (5 times).
PG - De'Aaron Fox, Eric Bledsoe
G - Devonte Graham, Jalen Green
G - Kevin Porter Jr.
PF - Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris
C - Domantas Sabonis, Alperen Sengun, Dwight Howard, Drew Eubanks, Isaiah Tod
My rank: 20. Somehow both too big and too small. Decent bench defense but this team is getting torched.
Long Ball Larry - average ranking: 15.1. Best: 9th (twice). Worst: 20.
PG - Damian Lillard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Bones Hyland.
SG - Derrick White, Eric Gordon
SF- Scottie Barnes, Chris Duarte
PF- OG Anunoby, Nemanja Bjelica
C - Jaren Jackson, Daniel Gafford, Xavier Tillman
My rank: 18. Tough break starting with Lillard who struggled to start the season, then got hurt so wasn't able to right the ship. The rest of the team feels more like role players and lacks firepower.
The Gator - average ranking: 17.4. Best: 6th. Worst: 20th (5 times).
PG - De'Aaron Fox, Eric Bledsoe
G - Devonte Graham, Jalen Green
G - Kevin Porter Jr.
PF - Jayson Tatum, Marcus Morris
C - Domantas Sabonis, Alperen Sengun, Dwight Howard, Drew Eubanks, Isaiah Tod
My rank: 20. Somehow both too big and too small. Decent bench defense but this team is getting torched.
Long Ball Larry - average ranking: 15.1. Best: 9th (twice). Worst: 20.
PG - Damian Lillard, Spencer Dinwiddie, Bones Hyland.
SG - Derrick White, Eric Gordon
SF- Scottie Barnes, Chris Duarte
PF- OG Anunoby, Nemanja Bjelica
C - Jaren Jackson, Daniel Gafford, Xavier Tillman
My rank: 18. Tough break starting with Lillard who struggled to start the season, then got hurt so wasn't able to right the ship. The rest of the team feels more like role players and lacks firepower.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
*******************DEFINITE LOTTERY TEAMS****************
PIK95 - average ranking: 13.8. Best: 4th (twice). Worst: 20th (twice).
G - Cade Cunningham, Anfernee Simons, Payton Pritchard
G - Dejounte Murray, Cole Anthony
SF - Demar Derozan, Josh Hart
PF - Julius Randle, Herbert Jones
C - Jusuf Nurkic, Tacko Fall, Jaxson Hayes
My rank: 11th. The way Simons has been playing really elevates this team IMO and I really like the versatiliy particularly in the back court. Last year's version of Randle would have been better, and I think this team needed more size too.
Moops - average ranking: 13.4. Best: 5th. Worst: 19th.
PG - Patrick Beverley, George Hill
SG - Zach LaVine, Joe Harris, Jon Konchar
SF - Michael Porter Jr., Luke Kennard, Kelly Oubre
PF - John Collins, Lamarcus Aldridge
C - Anthony Davis, Dewayne Dedmon
My rank: 19th. Seemed like a mess of one dimension wings with no offense from the point guard position.
Dunfee555 - average ranking: 13.4. Best (non own rank): 11th. Worst: 20th.
PG - Steph Curry, T.J. McConnell
SG - Pat Connaughton, Norm Powell
SF - Khris Middleton, Gordon Hayward, Cedi Osman
PF - Aaron Gordon, Larry Nance, Mike Muscala
C - Steven Adams, Ivica Zubac
My rank: 17. Connaughton is probably the worst starter anyone drafted, and Adams might be #2. I don't like the bench at all.
Doug B - average ranking: 13.3. Best: 5th. Worst: 19.
PG - Fred VanVleet, Tyus Jones, Jaylen Nowell
SG - Devin Booker, Gary Payton 2, Josh Richardson
SF - Bojan Bogdanovic, Jae'Sean Tate
PF - Jarred Vanderbilt, Dwight Powell
C - Jonas Valanciunas, Montrezl Harrell
My rank: 16. I like the VanVleet and Booker pairing, but there's not enough defense behind them. Outside shooting on this team is also suspect.
Kev4029 - average ranking: 12.5. Best: 7th. Worst: 17 (twice).
G - CJ McCollum, Goran Dragic, Kemba Walker
G - Seth Curry, Buddy Hield, Joe Ingles
SF - Harrison Barnes, Will Barton, Gary Harris
PF - Draymond Green
C - Rudy Gobert, Mason Plumlee
My rank: 15. I loved the idea of going defense/defense to start the draft. I was looking at the draft to see what could have been done differently after your first two picks and I don't know if it could have worked. By the time you get to that third pick there's nobody you can pick who can really carry an offense.
Eephus - average ranking: 12.5. Best: 5th. Worst: 19.
G - Mike Conley, Dennis Schroeder, Rajon Rondo
G - James Harden, Franz Wagner, Reggie Bullock
SF - De'Andre Hunter, Terrence Mann
PF - Robert Covington, Kelly Olynyk
C - Bam Adebayo, Onyeka Okongwu
My rank: 8th. Obviously I like this team more than most, but I also still recognize Harden has an unstoppable basketball machine. Love the pairing with Bam, and like Hunter and Covington's defense to cover for Harden.
PIK95 - average ranking: 13.8. Best: 4th (twice). Worst: 20th (twice).
G - Cade Cunningham, Anfernee Simons, Payton Pritchard
G - Dejounte Murray, Cole Anthony
SF - Demar Derozan, Josh Hart
PF - Julius Randle, Herbert Jones
C - Jusuf Nurkic, Tacko Fall, Jaxson Hayes
My rank: 11th. The way Simons has been playing really elevates this team IMO and I really like the versatiliy particularly in the back court. Last year's version of Randle would have been better, and I think this team needed more size too.
Moops - average ranking: 13.4. Best: 5th. Worst: 19th.
PG - Patrick Beverley, George Hill
SG - Zach LaVine, Joe Harris, Jon Konchar
SF - Michael Porter Jr., Luke Kennard, Kelly Oubre
PF - John Collins, Lamarcus Aldridge
C - Anthony Davis, Dewayne Dedmon
My rank: 19th. Seemed like a mess of one dimension wings with no offense from the point guard position.
Dunfee555 - average ranking: 13.4. Best (non own rank): 11th. Worst: 20th.
PG - Steph Curry, T.J. McConnell
SG - Pat Connaughton, Norm Powell
SF - Khris Middleton, Gordon Hayward, Cedi Osman
PF - Aaron Gordon, Larry Nance, Mike Muscala
C - Steven Adams, Ivica Zubac
My rank: 17. Connaughton is probably the worst starter anyone drafted, and Adams might be #2. I don't like the bench at all.
Doug B - average ranking: 13.3. Best: 5th. Worst: 19.
PG - Fred VanVleet, Tyus Jones, Jaylen Nowell
SG - Devin Booker, Gary Payton 2, Josh Richardson
SF - Bojan Bogdanovic, Jae'Sean Tate
PF - Jarred Vanderbilt, Dwight Powell
C - Jonas Valanciunas, Montrezl Harrell
My rank: 16. I like the VanVleet and Booker pairing, but there's not enough defense behind them. Outside shooting on this team is also suspect.
Kev4029 - average ranking: 12.5. Best: 7th. Worst: 17 (twice).
G - CJ McCollum, Goran Dragic, Kemba Walker
G - Seth Curry, Buddy Hield, Joe Ingles
SF - Harrison Barnes, Will Barton, Gary Harris
PF - Draymond Green
C - Rudy Gobert, Mason Plumlee
My rank: 15. I loved the idea of going defense/defense to start the draft. I was looking at the draft to see what could have been done differently after your first two picks and I don't know if it could have worked. By the time you get to that third pick there's nobody you can pick who can really carry an offense.
Eephus - average ranking: 12.5. Best: 5th. Worst: 19.
G - Mike Conley, Dennis Schroeder, Rajon Rondo
G - James Harden, Franz Wagner, Reggie Bullock
SF - De'Andre Hunter, Terrence Mann
PF - Robert Covington, Kelly Olynyk
C - Bam Adebayo, Onyeka Okongwu
My rank: 8th. Obviously I like this team more than most, but I also still recognize Harden has an unstoppable basketball machine. Love the pairing with Bam, and like Hunter and Covington's defense to cover for Harden.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I was really curious how my perceptions were compared to everyone else. Looks like I'm broadly in line with the tiers so far.
Doug B
Footballguy
Team 3PT% is .393. Three of the guys shoot sub-.300, but the other nine guys can stroke it.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
***********JUST MISSED THE PLAYOFFS*************
Trader Jake - average ranking 11.8. Best: 4th. Worst: 19th.
PG - Chris Paul, Jalen Suggs
SG - Jrue Holiday, Alec Burks
SF - Dillon Brooks, Obi Toppin
PF - Keldon Johnson, PJ Washington
C - Kristaps Porzingis, Brook Lopez, Boban Marjanovich, Andre Drummond
My rank: 7th. Best back-up center group in the league. Love the CP3 and Jrue pairing.
JVDesigns2020 - average ranking: 11.6. Best: 2nd. Worst: 19th.
PG - Trae Young, Jordan Poole
SG - Bradley Beal, Hamidou Diallo
SF - RJ Barrett, Amir Coffey
PF - Tobias Harris, Kyle Kuzma, Wendell Carter
C - DeAndre Ayton, Kevon Looney, Nerlens Noel
My rank: 10th. Interesting split with a 2nd and a 19th ranking for this team. I love the offensive firepower, but not enough defense to balance it out.
Yo Mama - average ranking: 9.4. Best: 1st. Worst: 18th (twice).
PG - Kyle Lowry, Monte Morris
SG - Klay Thompson, Caris LeVert, Justin Holiday
SF - Duncan Robinson, Talen Horton-Tucker
PF - Miles Bridges, Danilo Gallinari, Darius Bazley
C - Karl-Anthony Towns, Mitchell Robinson
My rank: 12th. Another team with a massive swing between best and worst. Amazing shooting on this team, but defense is lacking. I'm thinking the big spreads for these last two teams are due to varying degrees of importance placed on defense.
Trader Jake - average ranking 11.8. Best: 4th. Worst: 19th.
PG - Chris Paul, Jalen Suggs
SG - Jrue Holiday, Alec Burks
SF - Dillon Brooks, Obi Toppin
PF - Keldon Johnson, PJ Washington
C - Kristaps Porzingis, Brook Lopez, Boban Marjanovich, Andre Drummond
My rank: 7th. Best back-up center group in the league. Love the CP3 and Jrue pairing.
JVDesigns2020 - average ranking: 11.6. Best: 2nd. Worst: 19th.
PG - Trae Young, Jordan Poole
SG - Bradley Beal, Hamidou Diallo
SF - RJ Barrett, Amir Coffey
PF - Tobias Harris, Kyle Kuzma, Wendell Carter
C - DeAndre Ayton, Kevon Looney, Nerlens Noel
My rank: 10th. Interesting split with a 2nd and a 19th ranking for this team. I love the offensive firepower, but not enough defense to balance it out.
Yo Mama - average ranking: 9.4. Best: 1st. Worst: 18th (twice).
PG - Kyle Lowry, Monte Morris
SG - Klay Thompson, Caris LeVert, Justin Holiday
SF - Duncan Robinson, Talen Horton-Tucker
PF - Miles Bridges, Danilo Gallinari, Darius Bazley
C - Karl-Anthony Towns, Mitchell Robinson
My rank: 12th. Another team with a massive swing between best and worst. Amazing shooting on this team, but defense is lacking. I'm thinking the big spreads for these last two teams are due to varying degrees of importance placed on defense.
dunfee555
Footballguy
Thought my team was maybe a little better than this ranking, but I can understand the sentiment. Looking back on the draft, as much as I like Aaron Gordon, I should've drafted Haliburton in the 3rd and waited to get Gordon or Jerami Grant in the 4th. Think that might have balanced my team out a little better.
Had a lot of fun with this though. Would definitely be interested in jumping in another NBA draft, if anyone starts one.
Had a lot of fun with this though. Would definitely be interested in jumping in another NBA draft, if anyone starts one.
Desert_Power
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Jayrod
Footballguy
I was one of the 18's. Mainly due to the defensive rank coming in near the bottom and the fact that I think Klay Thompson of 2022 is a shell of his former self. I like KAT, Lowry and Bridges, but Duncan Robinson and Thompson make it a one of the weaker starting fives.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Funny, I had him 3rd and liked both of those picks.
Have only watched a couple of GSW games with him back, but I haven't had the same conclusion as the bold. The stats don't look that far off either. Small sample size and all.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I voted this team #5. While the defense is below average, everything else is above average and he has one of the strongest benches in the draft.
Jayrod
Footballguy
He has only played in 16 games and played over 30 minutes just twice (both in the last week). He's ramping up but as of the grading and especially when he was drafted, he was no where near a top 100 player. He finally broke 30 pts a few games ago, but his last two games he was 3/13 and 5/15 from the field. He just isn't back yet and to say he will be for sure at some point feels like a stretch after a 2 year layoff.Funny, I had him 3rd and liked both of those picks.
Have only watched a couple of GSW games with him back, but I haven't had the same conclusion as the bold. The stats don't look that far off either. Small sample size and all.
"Shell of his former self" may be a little harsh, but he isn't anywhere near the All-star we were accustomed to seeing in 2019 and likely won't be this season. Think he would have been great as a 6-man type, but just don't like him as a starter, much less the #2 guy on a team.
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Jayrod
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I think this draft was super interesting in the premise and will lend itself to a wide variety of opinions and rankings. Would have been cool to do a simulation.Funny, I had him 3rd and liked both of those picks.
Have only watched a couple of GSW games with him back, but I haven't had the same conclusion as the bold. The stats don't look that far off either. Small sample size and all.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
*************PLAYOFF TEAMS***************
Scoobus - average ranking: 8.3. Best (non-own ranking): 2. Worst: 18.
PG - Kyrie Irving, Reggie Jackson, Cameron Payne
SG - Jimmy Butler, Patty Mills
SF - Mikal Bridges, Torrey Craig, Devi Avidja
PF - Nic Batum, Grant Williams
C - Clint Capela, Christian Wood
My rank: 6. Nice blend of offense and defense. Really solid bench. Very nice team, just not spectacular.
Desert Power - average ranking: 7.9. Best (non-own ranking): 3 (three times). Worst: 14 (twice).
PG - LaMelo Ball, Jordan Clarkson
SG - Terry Rozier, Max Strus
SF - Andrew Wiggins, Caleb Martin, Garrison Matthews
PF - PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder
C - Joel Embiid, Al Horford, Blake Griffin
My rank: 13. This is the team I was the furthest off on compared to the consensus. I really like the Embiid and Ball pairing but not a huge fan of the rest of the startersI'm probably not givig enough credit to how good Wiggins has been this year. And There's no back-up point guard.
Juxtatrot - average ranking: 7.7. Best (non-own ranking): 3. Worst: 17.
PG - Ja Morant, Derrick Rose, Ayo Dosunmu
SG - Lonzo Ball, Kyle Anderson
SF - Jaylen Brown, Kevin Huerter
PF - Jerami Grant, Thaddeus Young
C - Jakob Poetl, Maxi Kleiber, Enes Freedom
My rank: 9. Really nice looking team that is very flexible and has star power in Morant.
Frostillicus - average ranking: 7.4. Best (non-own ranking): 3. Worst: 14.
PG - Luka Doncic, Tyrese Maxey
SG - Anthony Edwards, Danny Green, Terence Davis
SF - Tyler Herro, Andre Iguodala, Wes Matthews
PF - Bobby Portis, Chris Boucher
C - Myles Turner, Isaiah Stewart
My rank: 2. Obviously the 2nd best team by far and you all cheated me.
Scoobus - average ranking: 8.3. Best (non-own ranking): 2. Worst: 18.
PG - Kyrie Irving, Reggie Jackson, Cameron Payne
SG - Jimmy Butler, Patty Mills
SF - Mikal Bridges, Torrey Craig, Devi Avidja
PF - Nic Batum, Grant Williams
C - Clint Capela, Christian Wood
My rank: 6. Nice blend of offense and defense. Really solid bench. Very nice team, just not spectacular.
Desert Power - average ranking: 7.9. Best (non-own ranking): 3 (three times). Worst: 14 (twice).
PG - LaMelo Ball, Jordan Clarkson
SG - Terry Rozier, Max Strus
SF - Andrew Wiggins, Caleb Martin, Garrison Matthews
PF - PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder
C - Joel Embiid, Al Horford, Blake Griffin
My rank: 13. This is the team I was the furthest off on compared to the consensus. I really like the Embiid and Ball pairing but not a huge fan of the rest of the startersI'm probably not givig enough credit to how good Wiggins has been this year. And There's no back-up point guard.
Juxtatrot - average ranking: 7.7. Best (non-own ranking): 3. Worst: 17.
PG - Ja Morant, Derrick Rose, Ayo Dosunmu
SG - Lonzo Ball, Kyle Anderson
SF - Jaylen Brown, Kevin Huerter
PF - Jerami Grant, Thaddeus Young
C - Jakob Poetl, Maxi Kleiber, Enes Freedom
My rank: 9. Really nice looking team that is very flexible and has star power in Morant.
Frostillicus - average ranking: 7.4. Best (non-own ranking): 3. Worst: 14.
PG - Luka Doncic, Tyrese Maxey
SG - Anthony Edwards, Danny Green, Terence Davis
SF - Tyler Herro, Andre Iguodala, Wes Matthews
PF - Bobby Portis, Chris Boucher
C - Myles Turner, Isaiah Stewart
My rank: 2. Obviously the 2nd best team by far and you all cheated me.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yeah. Thought on the bold was that both Rozier and Clarkson have played point before so they cover the minutes. Something that probably works better in the Sim then here.
Probably would have taken Westbrook or Quickley instead of Horford in the 8th if they had made it back to me. Not the only time Instinctive sniped me
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Instinctive
Footballguy
I've lost track of count. Excited to see where I landed.
BTW - I know I'm a little bit arrogant in these things and I'm trying to dial it back because I learn a lot from yall every time we do them. I have clear blinders.
But I also coached D1 college basketball at a Power 5 school and I worked in the front office of an NBA team for a bit. So I have some strong opinions.
I hope I didn't offend with any pick/team comments.
BTW - I know I'm a little bit arrogant in these things and I'm trying to dial it back because I learn a lot from yall every time we do them. I have clear blinders.
But I also coached D1 college basketball at a Power 5 school and I worked in the front office of an NBA team for a bit. So I have some strong opinions.
I hope I didn't offend with any pick/team comments.
scoobus
Footballguy
If you want to post your rankings with comments after everything is revealed like you did in the all time draft that would be cool, always a good read.
scoobus
Footballguy
I like my team a lot (as does everyone with their own team obviously). I figured Kyrie would be a polarizing figure that may drop me a bit, but I still see him as an elite, game-changing offensive force, and tried to build a team around him that was good defensively and very switchable. I’m also much higher and Patty Mills than most, and depending on matchups with him in at the end of the game, could be very tough to deal with my team offensively.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
*********************Aw #### I missed one*************
Facook - Average ranking: 9.9 (this would be in the just missed the playoffs tier, ranking #10th). Best: 4th. Worst: 18.
PG - Darius Garland, Gabe Vincent
SG - De'Angelo Russell, Malik Monk
SF - Cameron Johnson, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little
PF - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Otto Porter Jr.
C - Richaun Holmes, Mo Bamba, Hassan Whiteside
My rank: 14. Love Giannis, of course, but don't like this team around him at all.
Facook - Average ranking: 9.9 (this would be in the just missed the playoffs tier, ranking #10th). Best: 4th. Worst: 18.
PG - Darius Garland, Gabe Vincent
SG - De'Angelo Russell, Malik Monk
SF - Cameron Johnson, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little
PF - Giannis Antetokounmpo, Otto Porter Jr.
C - Richaun Holmes, Mo Bamba, Hassan Whiteside
My rank: 14. Love Giannis, of course, but don't like this team around him at all.
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