Kev4029
Footballguy
Not criticizing the pick at all. Just saying that bill simmons would have had him taken around the 2/3 turn. And fwiw, I think Simmons book of basketball is great, there is just a huge homer bias that unfortunately taints it.
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***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (2 Viewers)
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Kev4029
Footballguy
The first Nugget taken! He was definitely on my short list. One of my first basketball memories is watching game 5 of the Nuggets-Sonics series in '94 at a family friends house. Arguably the best defensive center of my lifetime.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Solid team. I think it’ll rank well because of the balance plus you’re in the sweet spot of recent enough but not too recent.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I had him and 2 others on my short list. Couldn't resist Thurmond, thought it was possible I get Dikembe as my 6th given the other bigs all already taken.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Yo Mama
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
I think I know who you’re choosing between. One of them is on my short short list. Don’t pick that one.
scoobus
Footballguy
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
5.15 David Thompson, SG 70s
Another player that flew too close the sun. Prior to drugs ruining his career, he was very arguably the best perimeter player in the NBA, ahead of guys picked well ahead of him here in Julius Erving. Pete Maravich, and George Gervin, and one of the best athletes the NBA has ever seen.
Through the 70s he averaged 25.3/4.7/3.8 on 51% shooting (NBA&ABA), made 4 all-star teams (in 5 years), finished 2nd in ABA MVP voting in '76 (Dr J), and 3rd in NBA MVP voting in '78 (Walton 1, Gervin 2, Kareem 4).
Through their NBA careers in the 70s, here is how he compares to Dr J (5 yrs) and Gervin (4 yrs):
Pts Rebs Ast FG%
Thompson 25.1 4.2 3.8 0.508
Erving 23.4 7.5 4.2 0.507
Gervin 28.2 5.2 3.0 0.537
Another player that flew too close the sun. Prior to drugs ruining his career, he was very arguably the best perimeter player in the NBA, ahead of guys picked well ahead of him here in Julius Erving. Pete Maravich, and George Gervin, and one of the best athletes the NBA has ever seen.
Through the 70s he averaged 25.3/4.7/3.8 on 51% shooting (NBA&ABA), made 4 all-star teams (in 5 years), finished 2nd in ABA MVP voting in '76 (Dr J), and 3rd in NBA MVP voting in '78 (Walton 1, Gervin 2, Kareem 4).
Through their NBA careers in the 70s, here is how he compares to Dr J (5 yrs) and Gervin (4 yrs):
Pts Rebs Ast FG%
Thompson 25.1 4.2 3.8 0.508
Erving 23.4 7.5 4.2 0.507
Gervin 28.2 5.2 3.0 0.537
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Kev4029
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The most talented BB player I've ever seen. I judged him as the #1 CBB player of all time in tim's sports draft last year.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Sweated this one out. Really having a hard time passing on 2 particular guys, but afraid I’ll miss another run on this position as everyone starts taking pantheon backups. Yo Mama selects:
5.16 - Nate “Tiny” Archibald - PG 70s
Such a fun player to watch. In 1973, he led the league with 34.0 points, 11.4 assists, and a crazy 46.0 minutes per game. He still made 3 all star teams after a season ending Achilles injury - and that was with early 80s medicine (pretty sure they used leeches). Career averages of 18.8/2.3/7.4, with 1.1 steals and only 2.7 TOs. Prior to the Achilles injury, he averaged almost 25ppg. He fits perfectly on my pantheon team with his scoring and passing prowess. Tiny and Moses are also going to be tough to handle for other 70s squads.
1x champ
5x all-nba 3 1st team)
6x all star
5.16 - Nate “Tiny” Archibald - PG 70s
Such a fun player to watch. In 1973, he led the league with 34.0 points, 11.4 assists, and a crazy 46.0 minutes per game. He still made 3 all star teams after a season ending Achilles injury - and that was with early 80s medicine (pretty sure they used leeches). Career averages of 18.8/2.3/7.4, with 1.1 steals and only 2.7 TOs. Prior to the Achilles injury, he averaged almost 25ppg. He fits perfectly on my pantheon team with his scoring and passing prowess. Tiny and Moses are also going to be tough to handle for other 70s squads.
1x champ
5x all-nba 3 1st team)
6x all star
Kev4029
Footballguy
Wow. That's high praise. Growing up in Denver, I've heard a lot of praise for him being one of the best NBA players that people had ever seen at that time.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I almost took him over Dame, but wanted the spacing Lillard's shooting would provide.
I never got to see him play, but he's one of the top 12-15 PG's of all time in every list I've seen.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Going with one of my favorite 80s player. Very underrated in all time considerations. Yo Mama selects:
6.01 - Sidney Moncrief 80s PG/SG
A perfect fit as a sixth man on my pantheon team. He plays both guard spots and is one of the best defensive guards of all time. I’ll slot him as a PG on my 80s squad for now depending on who else I take there.
Career averages of 15.6/4.7/3.6 with 1.2 steals on 50% shooting. His peak averages were 21.0/5.8/4.7 with 1.5 steals.
2x defensive player of the year
5x all defense (4 1st team)
5x all nba
5x all star
6.01 - Sidney Moncrief 80s PG/SG
A perfect fit as a sixth man on my pantheon team. He plays both guard spots and is one of the best defensive guards of all time. I’ll slot him as a PG on my 80s squad for now depending on who else I take there.
Career averages of 15.6/4.7/3.6 with 1.2 steals on 50% shooting. His peak averages were 21.0/5.8/4.7 with 1.5 steals.
2x defensive player of the year
5x all defense (4 1st team)
5x all nba
5x all star
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
He was a thrilling player to see in an era when most everyone watched the big guys. He'd have been better thought-of in almost any other decade than the one in which he played.
higgins
Footballguy
I was just about to take him in a couple pix.... you #####.Btw: in your write up you neglected to include that he won the first 2 DPotY awards ever.... you #####.
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
Awesome, didn’t realize his defensive poty awards were the first ever.
Btw: in your write up you neglected to include that he won the first 2 DPotY awards ever.... you #####.
Jayrod
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
6.02 Nikola Jokic, C, 10s
My first homer pick of the draft as I don't see him making it all the way back with Embiid going a round ago, and somebody that might actually play better in this magic draft than in real life because there will be players available to hide his only weakness and his strengths can play with anybody ever in any era ever. We all know he is a statistical darling, but here are some highlights (all time ranks):
#7 PER
#10 WS/48
#3 BPM
#3 Ortg
#9 career triple doubles
Career per 36 averages of 21.7/11.8/7.0 on .530/.347/.832 splits (.610 TS%/.567 eFg). This season those numbers are 27.2/11.1/8.6 on .567/.418/.881 splits (.652 TS%, .609 eFg) with a PER of 31.5 (9th best ever) and WS/48 of .310 (10th best ever). In the last two years in the playoffs, those numbers hold steady so he isn't a case of good stats when it doesn't matter, and bad stats against good competition.
He is quite literally the best offensive player in the NBA right now, in an era of unprecedented offense, and he is still getting better.
My first homer pick of the draft as I don't see him making it all the way back with Embiid going a round ago, and somebody that might actually play better in this magic draft than in real life because there will be players available to hide his only weakness and his strengths can play with anybody ever in any era ever. We all know he is a statistical darling, but here are some highlights (all time ranks):
#7 PER
#10 WS/48
#3 BPM
#3 Ortg
#9 career triple doubles
Career per 36 averages of 21.7/11.8/7.0 on .530/.347/.832 splits (.610 TS%/.567 eFg). This season those numbers are 27.2/11.1/8.6 on .567/.418/.881 splits (.652 TS%, .609 eFg) with a PER of 31.5 (9th best ever) and WS/48 of .310 (10th best ever). In the last two years in the playoffs, those numbers hold steady so he isn't a case of good stats when it doesn't matter, and bad stats against good competition.
He is quite literally the best offensive player in the NBA right now, in an era of unprecedented offense, and he is still getting better.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm obsessed with Joker and was targeting him at 7.04. It is super early in his career but he is the real unicorn of the modern NBA. No one has ever been as comfortable with the ball in literally any spot on the floor, from starting the break with an outlet pass to a post up bucket on the block, he can do everything but run fast and jump high.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Nobody has ever averaged 25/10/8 on .600 TS% prior to this season and Jokic is at 27.1/11.0/8.6/.652). If you take it down to 6 assists, Wilt and Jokic have both done it previously. Even taking it down to 20/8/6, it's only be done 12 times (3- Jokic, 3 - Lebron, 2 - Bird, 1 - Harden, 1 - Wilt, 1 - Jordan, 1 - Magic). He is quite literally a unicorn in terms on NBA skills at any size.
Skinny Jokic is actually just a bad athlete, rather than a terrible one. He has 21 dunks so far this season! And for all the #### he gets on defense, which is all well deserved in the regular season, he was actually kind of good when it mattered last year (second half of the Jazz series and against both the Clippers and Lakers).
Yo Mama
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
the conditions of my probation prevent me from thinking of Nuggets in pairs
Jayrod
Footballguy
His defense this season is greatly improved.
This season he is ranked #6 in Defensive Winshares, #4 in Defensive Box Plus/Minus and #2 in total steals (#6 in steals/game).
He isn't swatting shots away like a normal defensive center, but his hands are quick and he effects a lot of shots near the rim, plus he is #6 in defensive rebounds, so his effect there is important to finish off defensive possessions.
Add that to his absolutely astounding offensive numbers and I've been preaching him as the true MVP of the league for a while now.....
...but that is for another thread really. Right now, he is merely a good backup on an all-time team.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Very, very solid pick as a 6th man. A walking bucket. In this competition, he is like a Lou Williams, IMO.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
This is who I thought kev was going to take and was the hardest one for me to pass on.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I was debating between a small handful - including Mutombo, I think there are about a half dozen Nuggets that are reasonable picks in the 75-100 range.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Probably the best career of any Nugget. He was the third that I was really considering when I took Thompson and Jokic, and certainly the safest among those three.
Four Nuggets in the last 7 picks!
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wikkidpissah
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higgins
Footballguy
Not only getting sniped by Moncrief, but now English as well.... :scrambles:
I had this guy as a great pantheon starting center (1a) but took Dikembe (1b) first just to get the in-demand defensive specialist....
7'2", 250lb hulk -- All-time #27 pts, #5 rebounds (combined leagues), shot blocks not yet counted.
6.04 -- Artis Gilmore, 70's C.
@Doug B
I had this guy as a great pantheon starting center (1a) but took Dikembe (1b) first just to get the in-demand defensive specialist....
7'2", 250lb hulk -- All-time #27 pts, #5 rebounds (combined leagues), shot blocks not yet counted.
6.04 -- Artis Gilmore, 70's C.
@Doug B
Kev4029
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
Based on my statistically objective analysis, including ABA stats, he has been the next best player available for a while now.
modogg
Footballguy
Jokic is definitely up there, and i would have him as the 2nd best scorer who can;'t be stopped. But Embiid is close to 50/40/90 and is dominating when he needs to. Jokic is forced to do it all the time, but Embiid is doing in the framework of his team and saving up for the playoff run
will be fun to debate as the season goes on, but i do think i would take Embiid over Jokic if i even looked at it objectively. fun argument for both over those in the past too
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