***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (2 Viewers)

[Jayrod]

So I have received a grand total of zero rankings so far. We still on track to get them in by 3pm pacific, 6pm eastern today, or should I delay things a bit until tomorrow (and start the head to head tourney Wed)?

Wrapping up mine now, just doing a head-to-head review with the teams above and below.

 

[wikkidpissah]

So I have received a grand total of zero rankings so far. We still on track to get them in by 3pm pacific, 6pm eastern today, or should I delay things a bit until tomorrow (and start the head to head tourney Wed)?

i wasnt planning on judging but, if you find yourself light, holla. it's sumn i can do on short notice.

 

[Yo Mama]

So looking at the best in show teams:

3 teams used their first and second round picks - Modogg, Higgins, Scoobus

9 teams used their first round picks - Tim, wikkid, 80s, Frosty, EY, Gally, CIA, Kev, Yo Me

4 teams used their second round picks - Jayrod, Instinctive, Jake, Doug

 

[Jayrod]

So looking at the best in show teams:

3 teams used their first and second round picks - Modogg, Higgins, Scoobus

9 teams used their first round picks - Tim, wikkid, 80s, Frosty, EY, Gally, CIA, Kev, Yo Me

4 teams used their second round picks - Jayrod, Instinctive, Jake, Doug

Overall draft capital used by average draft position of the 5 picks:

1. Scoobus - 55.4
   
2. Jayrod - 90.8
   
3. Modogg - 115.4
   
4. EYLive - 117.0
   
5. Frosty - 121.0
   
6. Higgins - 132.4
   
7. Mister CIA - 134.8
   
8. Gally - 139.4
   
9. Trader Jake - 140.0
   
10. Ilov80s - 167.8
    
11. Instinctive (tie) - 174.8
    
12. Wikkidpissah (tie) - 174.8
    
13. Yo Mama - 176.4
    
14. Kev4029 - 182.0
    
15. Timschochet - 192.8
    
16. Doug B - 230.4
    

 

[Jayrod]

Overall draft capital used by average draft position of the 5 picks:

1. Scoobus - 55.4
   
2. Jayrod - 90.8
   
3. Modogg - 115.4
   
4. EYLive - 117.0
   
5. Frosty - 121.0
   
6. Higgins - 132.4
   
7. Mister CIA - 134.8
   
8. Gally - 139.4
   
9. Trader Jake - 140.0
   
10. Ilov80s - 167.8
    
11. Instinctive (tie) - 174.8
    
12. Wikkidpissah (tie) - 174.8
    
13. Yo Mama - 176.4
    
14. Kev4029 - 182.0
    
15. Timschochet - 192.8
    
16. Doug B - 230.4
    

Scoobus used his 1-2-3-4-10 picks for this team.

ETA - I used 2-3-5-10-11....Doug B used 2-4-15-24-30

 

[wikkidpissah]

So looking at the best in show teams:

3 teams used their first and second round picks - Modogg, Higgins, Scoobus

9 teams used their first round picks - Tim, wikkid, 80s, Frosty, EY, Gally, CIA, Kev, Yo Me

4 teams used their second round picks - Jayrod, Instinctive, Jake, Doug

i could have put my top 3 and 4 of my top 5 (Magic, Drexler, Ewing, King) in the 80s. Glide played 7 yrs of the decade

 

[modogg]

i wasnt planning on judging but, if you find yourself light, holla. it's sumn i can do on short notice.

same for me, i was looking to judge more on the head-to-head matchups, but can put in a general ranking if needed, just let me know. @Yo Mama

 

[Gally]

As a starting point I tiered the teams based on their individual decade finishes.  Then ranked within that tier.  Then took the top of one tier vs bottom of the tier above until they couldn't "beat" the next team.  Did the same going down.   We will see how it stacks up with the consensus.

 

[Jayrod]

As a starting point I tiered the teams based on their individual decade finishes.  Then ranked within that tier.  Then took the top of one tier vs bottom of the tier above until they couldn't "beat" the next team.  Did the same going down.   We will see how it stacks up with the consensus.

I used a mishmash of everything I had and put it all on a spreadsheet to come up with a general order and then did what you did to move them up/down.

 

[wikkidpissah]

As a starting point I tiered the teams based on their individual decade finishes.  Then ranked within that tier.  Then took the top of one tier vs bottom of the tier above until they couldn't "beat" the next team.  Did the same going down.   We will see how it stacks up with the consensus.

if i am called upon to judge Best-in-Show, i plan to put my left foot in, then take me left foot out, then put my left foot in and shake it all about. i shall then proceed to do the hokey pokey and turn myself around. that's about it -

 

[otb_lifer]

if i am called upon to judge Best-in-Show, i plan to put my left foot in, then take me left foot out, then put my left foot in and shake it all about. i shall then proceed to do the hokey pokey and turn myself around. that's about it -

thanks for revealing my formula 

 

[Instinctive]

So I have received a grand total of zero rankings so far. We still on track to get them in by 3pm pacific, 6pm eastern today, or should I delay things a bit until tomorrow (and start the head to head tourney Wed)?

I'd love to delay - could rank before bed but no universe that's 3pm pacific. 

 

[Gally]

if i am called upon to judge Best-in-Show, i plan to put my left foot in, then take me left foot out, then put my left foot in and shake it all about. i shall then proceed to do the hokey pokey and turn myself around. that's about it -

Well, that's as good as any method at this point.

 

[Yo Mama]

I'd love to delay - could rank before bed but no universe that's 3pm pacific. 

No worries. I can take the rankings later. I probably won’t have as much of a write up at this point. 

 

[trader jake]

Two pieces of information to consider for Best of Show rankings:

• Sun Tzu was a Chinese general, military strategist, and writer credited as the author of The Art of War,  In it he wrote, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
  
• It is generally accepted that Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time.
  

Who did Michael Jordan keep the closest, and therefore fear the most?  Charles Barkley.  More than any other player of the GOAT's six title run....MJ feared Charles Barkley the most and kept him close.  You should consider that, and channel your own Sun Tzu, when placing your Best Of Show team rankings.

PG Mark Price – All-time great shooter, put up 50/40/90% for his career
SG Hersey Hawkins – shot over 40% on 3’s in 8 of his first 10 seasons
SF Grant Hill – Hall of Famer played 18 seasons, finishing multiple seasons in the top 20 in points/rebounds/assists/steals/and player efficiency in the same season
PF Charles Barkley – Hall of Famer played 16 seasons, finishing in the top5 in Box +/- in eight consecutive seasons
C Brad Daugherty – The #1 overall pick that could beat smaller defenders with post moves and could step out to hit the jumper against the trees

 

[wikkidpissah]

Two pieces of information to consider for Best of Show rankings:

• Sun Tzu was a Chinese general, military strategist, and writer credited as the author of The Art of War,  In it he wrote, "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
  
• It is generally accepted that Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time.
  

Who did Michael Jordan keep the closest, and therefore fear the most?  Charles Barkley.  More than any other player of the GOAT's six title run....MJ feared Charles Barkley the most and kept him close.  You should consider that, and channel your own Sun Tzu, was placing your Best Of Show team rankings.

PG Mark Price – All-time great shooter, put up 50/40/90% for his career
SG Hersey Hawkins – shot over 40% on 3’s in 8 of his first 10 seasons
SF Grant Hill – Hall of Famer played 18 seasons, finishing multiple seasons in the top 20 in points/rebounds/assists/steals/and player efficiency in the same season
PF Charles Barkley – Hall of Famer played 16 seasons, finishing in the top5 in Box +/- in eight consecutive seasons
C Brad Daugherty – The #1 overall pick that could beat smaller defenders with post moves and could step out to hit the jumper against the trees

hug it out?

 

[Ilov80s]

So looking at the best in show teams:

3 teams used their first and second round picks - Modogg, Higgins, Scoobus

9 teams used their first round picks - Tim, wikkid, 80s, Frosty, EY, Gally, CIA, Kev, Yo Me

4 teams used their second round picks - Jayrod, Instinctive, Jake, Doug

I used my 1st and 2nd 

 

[Ilov80s]

No worries. I can take the rankings later. I probably won’t have as much of a write up at this point. 

I will get mine in today

 

[scoobus]

So, is this still happening today or no?

 

[Yo Mama]

So, is this still happening today or no?

Yeah, I can still roll them out tonight as long as I don’t get things too late. 

 

[Yo Mama]

Question for y’all. 
 

When we do the head to head polls tomorrow, do we have people write about their matchups here or in the poll threads over in the basketball forum?

 

[Yo Mama]

I still need to figure out how to do a poll. 
 

Was hoping to have 4 matchups per poll so we don’t pollute the forum, but I guess it’s just the basketball forum and nobody goes over there anyway. 

 

[Instinctive]

This was both harder and easier than I thought. I did it without any of the prior rankings, then looked at my final rank, and was like "ok cool that makes sense then."

 

[Yo Mama]

Last call for best in show rankings!!!!!

 

[Yo Mama]

Ok. No more rankings. Writeups coming soon. 

 

[Yo Mama]

The results have been sent in to the league office. Just waiting on confirmation. 
 

The commissioner walks to the podium . . . 

 

[Yo Mama]

10 judges, no ties, lots of very close average scores

 

[Jayrod]

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings

1982-83 PHILADELPHIA 76ERS DIVISION

The Sixers had a 65-17 record in the regular season, were top five in the league in both ORtg (108.3) and DRtg (100.9), outscored their opponents by 7.7 points per game, and went 12-1 in the playoffs.

16th place - 2 points

Doug B (2010s) - Steph Curry, Zach Lavine, Paul George, Domantas Sabonis, NIkola Vucevic

Average Score: 2.0   Best: 5   Worst: 1

15th place - 4 points

Timschochet (1960s) - Walt Hazzard, Frank Selvy, Jim Pollard, Vern Mikkelson, Wilt Chamberlain

Average Score: 3.4   Best: 9   Worst: 1

14th place - 6 points

Kev4029 (1960s) - KC Jones, Jerry West, Tom Gola, Dave Debusschere, Neil Johnston

Average Score: 3.7   Best: 10   Worst: 1

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings, continued

1970-71 MILWAAUKEE BUCKS DIVISION

The Bucks had a 66-16 record in the regular season, led the league in both ORtg (103.9) and DRtg (93.1), outscored their opponents by 12.2 points per game, and went 12-2 in the playoffs.

13th place - 8 points

EYLive (2000s) - Stephon Marbury, Kobe Bryant, Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Elton Brand

Average Score: 5.2   Best: 10   Worst: 3

12th place - 10 points

Trader Jake (1990s) - Mark Price, Hersey Hawkins, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Brad Daugherty

Average Score: 5.4   Best: 13   Worst: 1

11th place - 12 points

Instinctive (2010s) - Jrue Holiday, Khris Middleton, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, Joakim Noah

Average Score: 6.9   Best: 11   Worst: 2

10th place - 14 points

Yo Mama (1970s) - Nate Archibald, Gail Goodrich, Campy Russell, Paul Silas, Moses Malone

Average Score: 7.0   Best: 12   Worst: 3

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings, continued

1985-86 BOSTON CELTICS DIVISION

The Celtics had a 67-15 record in the regular season, were third the league in ORtg (111.8) and were first in DRtg (102.6), outscored their opponents by 9.4 points per game, and went 15-3 in the playoffs.

9th place - 16 points

Ilov80s (1960s) - Slater Martin, **** Barnett, Chet Walker, Bob Petit, Bill Russell

Average Score: 9.2   Best: 14   Worst: 5

8th place - 18 points

Jayrod (2010s) - Damian Lillard, Dwyane Wade, Andre Iguadola, G Antetokounmpo, Al Horford

Average Score: 9.8   Best: 14   Worst: 6

7th place - 20 points

Mister CIA (1990s) - Gary Payton, Rod Strickland, Cedric Ceballos, Horace Grant, Hakeem Olajuwon

Average Score: 9.9   Best: 15   Worst: 7

6th place - 22 points

Frosty (2010s) - Rajon Rondo, Joe Johnson, Lebron James, Kevin Love, Lamarcus Aldridge

Average Score: 10.0   Best: 14   Worst: 7

5th place - 24 points

Wikkidpissah (1980s)  - Magic Johnson, Darrell Griffith, Bernard King, Wayman Tisdale, Patrick Ewing

Average Score: 10.5   Best: 14   Worst: 6

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings, continued

1971-72 LOS ANGELES LAKERS DIVISION

The Lakers had a 69-13 record in the regular season (then a record), won 33 consecutive games in the season (still a record), led the league in ORtg (103.1) and were second in DRtg (92.6), outscored their opponents by 12.3 points per game, and went 12-3 in the playoffs.

4th place - 26 points

Gally (2000s) - Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Peja Stojakovic, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard

Average Score: 11.3   Best: 15   Worst: 6

3rd place - 28 points

Higgins (1970s) - John Lucas, Gus Williams, Julius Erving, Elvin Hayes, Artis Gilmore

Average Score: 11.5   Best: 16   Worst: 5

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings, continued

1995-96 CHICAGO BULLS DIVISION

The Bulls had a 72-10 record in the regular season (then a record), led the league in both ORtg (115.2) and DRtg (101.8), outscored their opponents by 12.3 points per game, and went 15-3 in the playoffs (and no series was really ever close).

2nd place - 30 points

Modogg (1990s) - John Stockton, Michael Jordan, Dan Majerle, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman

Average Score: 14.5   Best: 16   Worst: 12

1st place - 32 points

Scoobus (2000s) - Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal

Average Score: 15.7   Best: 16   Worst: 15

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Final Rankings

32 pts - Scoobus (2000s) - Jason Kidd, Ray Allen, Bruce Bowen, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'Neal

30 pts - Modogg (1990s) - John Stockton, Michael Jordan, Dan Majerle, Larry Johnson, Derrick Coleman

28 pts - Higgins (1970s) - John Lucas, Gus Williams, Julius Erving, Elvin Hayes, Artis Gilmore

26 pts - Gally (2000s) - Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Peja Stojakovic, Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard

24 pts - Wikkidpissah (1980s)  - Magic Johnson, Darrell Griffith, Bernard King, Wayman Tisdale, Patrick Ewing

22 pts - Frosty (2010s) - Rajon Rondo, Joe Johnson, Lebron James, Kevin Love, Lamarcus Aldridge

20 pts - Mister CIA (1990s) - Gary Payton, Rod Strickland, Cedric Ceballos, Horace Grant, Hakeem Olajuwon

18 pts - Jayrod (2010s) - Damian Lillard, Dwyane Wade, Andre Iguadola, G Antetokounmpo, Al Horford

16 pts - Ilov80s (1960s) - Slater Martin, **** Barnett, Chet Walker, Bob Petit, Bill Russell

14 pts - Yo Mama (1970s) - Nate Archibald, Gail Goodrich, Campy Russell, Paul Silas, Moses Malone

12 pts - Instinctive (2010s) - Jrue Holiday, Khris Middleton, Kawhi Leonard, Dirk Nowitzki, Joakim Noah

10 pts - Trader Jake (1990s) - Mark Price, Hersey Hawkins, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Brad Daugherty

8 pts - EYLive (2000s) - Stephon Marbury, Kobe Bryant, Shawn Marion, Andrei Kirilenko, Elton Brand

6 pts - Kev4029 (1960s) - KC Jones, Jerry West, Tom Gola, Dave Debusschere, Neil Johnston

4 pts - Timschochet (1960s) - Walt Hazzard, Frank Selvy, Jim Pollard, Vern Mikkelson, Wilt Chamberlain

2 pts - Doug B (2010s) - Steph Curry, Zach Lavine, Paul George, Domantas Sabonis, Nikola Vucevic

 

[Yo Mama]

Best In Show Rankings Details

32 - Scoobus (2000s) - 15,15,15,16,16,16,16,16,16,16

30 - Modogg (1990s) - 12,13,14,14,15,15,15,15,16,16

28 - Higgins (1970s) - 5,9,9,10,11,13,13,14,15,16

26 - Gally (2000s) - 6,8,10,11,11,13,13,13,13,15

24 - Wikkidpissah (1980s)  - 6,7,9,9,11,12,12,12,13,14

22 - Frosty (2010s) - 7,7,8,8,10,10,11,12,13,14

20 - Mister CIA (1990s) - 7,8,8,8,9,10,11,11,12,15

18 - Jayrod (2010s) - 6,7,7,8,9,10,11,12,14,14

16 - Ilov80s (1960s) - 5,5,6,7,8,9,10,14,14,14

14 - Yo Mama (1970s) - 3,3,3,4,6,6,9,12,12,12

12 - Instinctive (2010s) - 2,4,4,4,7,8,8,10,11,11

10 - Trader Jake (1990s) - 1,3,4,5,5,5,6,6,6,13

8 - EYLive (2000s) - 3,3,3,4,4,4,5,7,9,10

6 - Kev4029 (1960s) - 1,2,2,2,2,3,4,5,6,10

4 - Timschochet (1960s) - 1,1,1,2,2,2,4,5,7,9

2 - Doug B (2010s) - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3,5

 

[Yo Mama]

Combined Standings (Regular Season, Best In Show)

83 - Scoobus  (Reg: 51, BIS: 32)

77 - Frosty  (Reg: 55, BIS: 22)

77 - Yo Mama  (Reg: 63, BIS: 14)

76 - Wikkidpissah  (Reg: 52, BIS: 24)

75 - Gally (Reg: 49, BIS: 26)

74 - Trader Jake (Reg: 64, BIS: 10)

73 - Jayrod  (Reg: 55, BIS: 18)

72 - Higgins  (Reg: 44, BIS: 28)

69 - Instinctive  (Reg: 57, BIS: 12)

69 - Modogg  (Reg: 39, BIS: 30)

67 - Mister CIA  (Reg: 47, BIS: 20)

61 - Ilov80s  (Reg: 45, BIS: 16)

60 - Kev4029  (Reg: 54, BIS: 6)

53 - EYLive  (Reg: 45, BIS: 8 )

51 - Doug B  (Reg: 49, BIS: 2)

51 - Timschochet  (Reg: 47, BIS: 4)

 

[Mister CIA]

Combined Standings (Regular Season, Best In Show)

83 - Scoobus  (Reg: 51, BIS: 32)

77 - Frosty  (Reg: 55, BIS: 22)

77 - Yo Mama  (Reg: 63, BIS: 14)

76 - Wikkidpissah  (Reg: 52, BIS: 24)

75 - Gally (Reg: 49, BIS: 26)

74 - Trader Jake (Reg: 64, BIS: 10)

73 - Jayrod  (Reg: 55, BIS: 18)

72 - Higgins  (Reg: 44, BIS: 28)

69 - Instinctive  (Reg: 57, BIS: 12)

69 - Modogg  (Reg: 39, BIS: 30)

67 - Mister CIA  (Reg: 47, BIS: 20)

61 - Ilov80s  (Reg: 45, BIS: 16)

60 - Kev4029  (Reg: 54, BIS: 6)

53 - EYLive  (Reg: 45, BIS: 8 )

51 - Doug B  (Reg: 49, BIS: 2)

51 - Timschochet  (Reg: 47, BIS: 4)

I'm so mediocre I can nearly taste it.

 

[Yo Mama]

***BEST IN SHOW CUP***
 

I’ll set everything up tomorrow for first round voting (hopefully), but here are the matchups:

Scoobus (2000s) vs Doug B (2010s)

Jayrod (2010s) vs ILov80s (1960s)

Gally (2000s) vs EYLive (2000s)

Wikkidpissah (1980s) vs Trader Jake (1990s)

Modogg (1990s) vs Timschochet (1960s)

Mister CIA (1990s) vs Yo Mama (1970s)

Higgins (1970s) vs Kev4029 (1960s)

Frosty (2010s) vs Instinctive (2010s)

 

[scoobus]

My complete lack of 60s knowledge had me rank ilov80s higher than I should have it looks like.  I just went back and looked at the top scores of the 16s and he was one of the highest, figured that was the fairest way since I didn't really know his players.

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm curious how much the "clutch" factor and performance in big moments will play into pantheon rankings.  It's one of the reasons I targeted players such as Horry and Ginobili.

 

[scoobus]

***BEST IN SHOW CUP***
 

Frosty (2010s) vs Instinctive (2010s)

Best match-up in round 1.

 

[Yo Mama]

Some really interesting matchups. 
 

My favorite at first glance is how many points does Wilt score with Coleman trying to guard him, and will it be enough to make up for the MJ/Stockton vs Hazzard/Selvy backcourt matchup. 

 

[Jayrod]

So a team I beat in the 2010's is now 2 spots above me here?  I get Lebron , but Joe Johnson, Rondo and Aldridge?  Even Love is good not great.  My team was light years better defensively than that squad and had 3 elite offensive players....I'm at a complete loss here.  Have you guys ever seen Giannis or Wade or Lillard play basketball?  Wade and Giannis are locks for the HOF and Lillard is a very likely candidate.

And a team with two completely sub-par NBA careers in Tisdale and Griffith is 3 spots better than my team?  Wikkid's team was EASILY the worst of the #1 teams by era.  Him winning the 80's was honestly a bit of a fluke with people basically giving him a pass for Griffith and Tisdale (neither one even so much as made an all-star game) and the 80's was the weakest era in our draft (note there are no other 80's teams even in the Best in Show).  For Pete's sake, the only guy on that team that made an all-defensive team was Ewing.  They wouldn't stop anyone and don't have the firepower to run away from anyone.

This contest just officially got stupid.

 

[Jayrod]

It's like people saw "Lebron", "Magic", "Jordan" and stopped looking at any of the other names.

Jordan couldn't win without Pippen and Grant/Rodman, LeBron couldn't win without Wade/Bosh or Love/Irving and Magic never won without Kareem and Worthy.

Teammates matter, especially when assembling all-time great teams.  I guess I should have stuck my 70's team in because KAREEM!!!111 even though it was not as good as my 2010's team.

 

[Yo Mama]

I like your team Jayrod

 

[Frostillicus]

Best match-up in round 1.

Blowout imo

 

[Jayrod]

I like your team Jayrod

Yes, because you have some understanding of good basketball.

I really haven't had much to complain about until now, but wow....I wouldn't have liked coming in 5th, but would have understood it...this is baffling.

 

[Frostillicus]

So a team I beat in the 2010's is now 2 spots above me here?  I get Lebron , but Joe Johnson, Rondo and Aldridge?  Even Love is good not great. 

You're right about someone being stupid. 

 

[Frostillicus]

LeBron couldn't win without Love

Go on......

 

[Frostillicus]

By the way, I didn't vote in this. The people chose my team over yours Jayrod. They finally recognized the greatness.