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Mister CIA
Footballguy
File under Bold Move Cotton. I'm going to pair another PG with Gary Payton in my 90s backcourt, which will be on FIRE.
File under SG on the Google doc.
14.06 - Rod Strickland, SG 90s
We'll see what the judges have to say.
File under SG on the Google doc.14.06 - Rod Strickland, SG 90s
We'll see what the judges have to say.
Kev4029
Footballguy
It really is amazing. He was also seen as draft disappointment, if not full bust for the first few years of his career. I think partially that was because he grew into his role, but I think the NBA kind of grew into his skill set as well. He's a hard worker that made himself into a better NBA player and a passable defender, but he was also drafted the same year as Steve Novak. If Novak was drafted today (a guy that hit 43% of his NBA threes at almost 7 feet tall), I suspect the new NBA would have found rotation minutes for him even through he was a laughable defender. The Harden Rockets and Curry Warriors changed the way the three pointer was viewed.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Because I'm an idiot, I picked him in like the 8th round last time. But, he is basically the 90s/00s version of Conley. Always very good amongst his peers, but never really one of the best. Did a lot of things well few things poorly, other than fit his alien self into a human body.
You promised not to take my guy if I didn't take yours....and now you go back to 90's PG. Damn you.File under Bold Move Cotton. I'm going to pair another PG with Gary Payton in my 90s backcourt, which will be on FIRE.
14.06 - Rod Strickland, SG 90s
We'll see what the judges have to say.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Since @Mister CIAtook my PG choice I will pivot and go here:
14.07 - Sidney Wicks - PF/1970's
I think he fits well alongside Bing, Dandridge, and Issel for my 70's entry.
Wicks played for the Trail Blazers from 1971 to 1976, earning a total of four selections as an All-Star (1972–1975) and averaging over 20 points per game each of his first four seasons. He holds the Blazers' franchise record for rebounds in a game with 27, and averaged 22.3 points per game and 10.3 rebounds a game in his five years with the team.
In October 1976 he was sold to the Boston Celtics, while Portland went on to win its only NBA championship the next season. Wicks played for the Celtics from 1976 to 1978. Wicks then went to the San Diego Clippers and played there until 1981. Overall, Wicks averaged 16.8 points per game and 8.7 rebounds per game over ten seasons and 760 games. He had four seasons averaging over 20 points per game, and four seasons averaging over 10 rebounds per game, accomplishing both of those feats in the same season three times (1971–72, 1972–73, and 1974–75). His scoring average dropped every year after his rookie season.
Career highlights and awards
14.07 - Sidney Wicks - PF/1970's
I think he fits well alongside Bing, Dandridge, and Issel for my 70's entry.
Wicks played for the Trail Blazers from 1971 to 1976, earning a total of four selections as an All-Star (1972–1975) and averaging over 20 points per game each of his first four seasons. He holds the Blazers' franchise record for rebounds in a game with 27, and averaged 22.3 points per game and 10.3 rebounds a game in his five years with the team.
In October 1976 he was sold to the Boston Celtics, while Portland went on to win its only NBA championship the next season. Wicks played for the Celtics from 1976 to 1978. Wicks then went to the San Diego Clippers and played there until 1981. Overall, Wicks averaged 16.8 points per game and 8.7 rebounds per game over ten seasons and 760 games. He had four seasons averaging over 20 points per game, and four seasons averaging over 10 rebounds per game, accomplishing both of those feats in the same season three times (1971–72, 1972–73, and 1974–75). His scoring average dropped every year after his rookie season.
Career highlights and awards
- 4× NBA All-Star (1972–1975)
- NBA Rookie of the Year (1972)
- NBA All-Rookie First Team (1972)
- 3× NCAA champion (1969–1971)
- NCAA Final Four MOP (1970)
- Sporting News Player of the Year (1971)
- USBWA Player of the Year (1971)
- 2× Helms Foundation Player of the Year (1970, 1971)
- Consensus first-team All-American (1971)
- Consensus second-team All-American (1970)
- 2× First-team All-Pac-8 (1970, 1971)
- No. 35 retired by UCLA Bruins
Damn, I saw this right after I posted. Next time I will follow this strategy. hahaha@Gally let’s make sure to use all our clock for the rest of draft. Stretch this out so we can get to see a playoff run from Mitchell and Booker factored in
trader jake
Footballguy
14.08 Mark Eaton – C 1980s
In today’s game he’d be a starter that played limited minutes and would have trouble staying on the court against the very best teams, but this particular draft selection is for the 1980s team. A time when the Berlin Wall fell, pastel colors were fashionable (unlike the current Miami Heat mix alternate jerseys), and a 7’4”, 275 lb mountain of a man could single-handedly destroy an opponent’s offense. That man was Mark Eaton.
The Jazz team that constantly won are rightfully remembered for the historic Stockton to Malone combo, but what gets left out of that story is the other end of the court. The side where Mark Eaton loomed - where opposing players went to the land of inefficient offense. Eaton ended the decade with an All-NBA nod and left the time that Stranger Things recalls so fondly with 4 block titles, 5 All-Defensive Honors, and 2 Defensive Player of the Year awards.
Other notes I enjoyed:
In today’s game he’d be a starter that played limited minutes and would have trouble staying on the court against the very best teams, but this particular draft selection is for the 1980s team. A time when the Berlin Wall fell, pastel colors were fashionable (unlike the current Miami Heat mix alternate jerseys), and a 7’4”, 275 lb mountain of a man could single-handedly destroy an opponent’s offense. That man was Mark Eaton.
The Jazz team that constantly won are rightfully remembered for the historic Stockton to Malone combo, but what gets left out of that story is the other end of the court. The side where Mark Eaton loomed - where opposing players went to the land of inefficient offense. Eaton ended the decade with an All-NBA nod and left the time that Stranger Things recalls so fondly with 4 block titles, 5 All-Defensive Honors, and 2 Defensive Player of the Year awards.
Other notes I enjoyed:
- Eaton played in 79 games in 1986-87. That was the lowest number of games he played in any season during the decade. The best ability is availability.
- In 1984-85 Eaton averaged 5.56 blocks per game, more than double the league's second ranked blocker (Houston's Hakeem Olajuwon with 2.68 blocks per game)
- He became the first player to block 10 shots in a playoff game when he did so against Hakeem later that season.
- Eaton is currently the NBA's all-time leader in blocks per game, with a career average of 3.50.
trader jake
Footballguy
Note: Moving Brad Daugherty to 1990s Center. It didn’t feel right having him and Mark Price on different decade teams. +reading how much Barkley was pissed about never getting to play with Daugherty after the Sixers traded away the #1 pick and how they would have dominated together has me intrigued.
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Yo Mama
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Instinctive
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I'm here, gimme a minute.
I considered Eaton vs Laimbeer for quite some time before making my choice.
I considered Eaton vs Laimbeer for quite some time before making my choice.
Kev4029
Footballguy
Why was he 26 as a rookie? Even if he was Mormon or something and went on a two year mission, he's crazy old. Was he like Lennie from Of Mice and Men and he was held back 4 times in middle school?
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
Just read up on it on wiki. He apparently didn't go to college out of HS, but became a mechanic for three years, then got talked into going to a Juco and playing there. Then he went to UCLA, but didn't play hardly at all, but was still drafted because he was tall. Apparently Wilt told him what to focus on (blocking shots, rebounding and passing to guards) and it changed the trajectory of his career after he was drafted.
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Instinctive
Footballguy
14.09 Shane Battier, SF 00s
The no-stats all-star himself, Battier is likely best known as the first NBA analytics darling. He does everything you need, including not needing the ball, shooting great (38.4%) from three, rebounding, passing, and most importantly doing the dirty work on defense. This is the same guy who matched up against bigs as a 4 throughout his time with the Heat, but was also the best defender against Kobe Bryant throughout the entire 2000s. 2x all-defense and 2x champ are his only NBA accolades.
I've had a list of guys who would all be about an equal pick for me to finish this 2000s monster assembly of talent, and I think I have to pull the trigger now because he and one other guy are too good a fit for @modogg's team and it only takes one other drafter grabbing someone to leave me without my entire tier. At the end of the day, Battier had more VORP, BPM, winshares, shooting percentages...everything across the board except usage rate.
Here are the other guys I've had listed since like round 6 as 00s players that would fit well on my team, but weren't worth picking over the others when I could wait and get the last one in the tier (not to say some, e.g., Vince, wouldn't be much better picks if the other 3/4 guys I had weren't there):
Shane Battier (got him now)
Shawn Marion (not enough shooting)
Andrei Kirilenko (hoped to get him, truly)
Bruce Bowen (better defender but dramatically worse on offense...like seriously negative BPM, OWS, etc)
[redacted]
Vince Carter (too high a pick for a team that wouldn't get to use his talents, not good enough on defense)
[redacted]
Peja (briefly considered, but not enough defense)
The no-stats all-star himself, Battier is likely best known as the first NBA analytics darling. He does everything you need, including not needing the ball, shooting great (38.4%) from three, rebounding, passing, and most importantly doing the dirty work on defense. This is the same guy who matched up against bigs as a 4 throughout his time with the Heat, but was also the best defender against Kobe Bryant throughout the entire 2000s. 2x all-defense and 2x champ are his only NBA accolades.
I've had a list of guys who would all be about an equal pick for me to finish this 2000s monster assembly of talent, and I think I have to pull the trigger now because he and one other guy are too good a fit for @modogg's team and it only takes one other drafter grabbing someone to leave me without my entire tier. At the end of the day, Battier had more VORP, BPM, winshares, shooting percentages...everything across the board except usage rate.
Here are the other guys I've had listed since like round 6 as 00s players that would fit well on my team, but weren't worth picking over the others when I could wait and get the last one in the tier (not to say some, e.g., Vince, wouldn't be much better picks if the other 3/4 guys I had weren't there):
Shane Battier (got him now)
Shawn Marion (not enough shooting)
Andrei Kirilenko (hoped to get him, truly)
Bruce Bowen (better defender but dramatically worse on offense...like seriously negative BPM, OWS, etc)
[redacted]
Vince Carter (too high a pick for a team that wouldn't get to use his talents, not good enough on defense)
[redacted]
Peja (briefly considered, but not enough defense)
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trader jake
Footballguy
It's actually kind of a crazy story. Made me respect him even more.
Eaton was working as an auto mechanic for three years!!
He was discovered by some professor/assistant coach who got him to go to Cypress College. He did well, leading the team to the California State Title as a sophomore. He was even drafted by the Suns in 79' after his Freshman season (because he was 4 years out of high school), but he opted to go to UCLA to play ball instead. At first he struggled at UCLA, but eventually Wilt Chamberlain saw him (he would go to Bruin practices a lot after his retirement) and took him under his wing a bit. He gave him some pointers but, basically, told him to quit playing the speed game and start kicking opponent's asses with his height, weight, and strength. Eaton has talked about that being huge for his career quite a few times.Crazy path to the Assosciation.
You know a fast mechanic?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
Was on my short list for my 00s team. He could guard the best 2-4 and just camp out in the corner and make 40% of his wide open threes. When I looked him up yesterday, I was really surprised to see how highly his advanced stats all rated, even though I remember that being the whole theory of why he was so valuable to the Rockets. Morey basically kept that same theory going after Battier left with a few other players.
I'm not sure Morey will ultimately get the credit he deserves for shaping the NBA (for better or worse) over the last decade plus.
timschochet
Footballguy
I grew up in the same neighborhood as Mark Eaton- two streets down from him. Didn’t know him though.
Jayrod
Footballguy
wikkid's NBA player stories >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tim's NBA player stories
**that's a tough comparison for anyone, though
Instinctive
Footballguy
Our 2000s decade champion team is now finally complete, in my opinion (all-NBA/all-defense selections - they all have more all-stars, except Battier)
Chauncey Billups (3/2)
Tracy McGrady (7/0)
Shane Battier (0/2)
Dirk Nowitzki (12/0)
Ben Wallace (5/6)
Dirk is really your only hole on defense, and 2000s Dirk graded out ok, before he hit old-man stage in the 10s. This squad has multiple Finals MVPs, a full-year MVP, multiple rebounding titles, multiple scoring titles, multiple DPOY awards, blocks title, and a most improved player award.
Offense:
Dirk and McGrady might be two of the 3 best players in the NBA to get a bucket if you needed it (Kobe, obviously the third) without having trouble getting to a decent shot. Billups is a fantastic shooter (flirted with 50-40-90 for his career), Battier a great shooter, and Dirk one of the greatest shooters of all time (also near a 50-40-90 career mark). Ben Wallace doesn't need to do anything but screen and crash offensive boards, McGrady can be the primary initiator often with Billups spacing instead of playing on ball (he flexed a ton to SG, so easy peasy).
Defense:
Ben Wallace is one of two players every to get Defensive Player of the Year 4 times. Dirk is one of the low-key best defensive rebounders of the decade. Chauncey and Battier also showed up on all-defensive teams. McGrady will hide on the weakest perimeter player and harass with length, and Dirk will take the worse big guy. Good luck.
Competition:
The two teams which are going to challenge in the 2000s are anchored by Kobe and "offensive rebounders" on one side and Shaq/Garnett on the other.
Battier/McGrady/Billups might be the greatest Kobe-stopping backcourt that can still actually play offense out there. No offense to our boy EY, but we'll be leaving 3 guys open basically always, and still being ok with helping off Marbury as well. Kobe's gonna have to shoot 81 times to get to 30 points against this squad, and with Dirk and Ben Wallace on the glass, I don't see Marion, Brand, or Kirilenko being an issue.
Dirk is extremely familiar with Garnett, and got the better of him a number of times. Ben Wallace destroyed Shaq in the 2004 finals. Harassing him into turnovers, outrebounded him in 3/5 games, forced him into foul trouble, and held him below his playoff points averages from throughout. Allen/Kidd will be much more trouble, and this battle would be a dogfight. In the end, I think we do enough to survive...but that game would be incredible. I think Battier ends up on Kidd and Billups chases Ray Allen around while McGrady gets to rest against Bowen and dig the post if needed. I'm much more confident in Dirk and McGrady getting their points than I am in Garnett and Shaq getting theirs.
We shall see!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chauncey Billups (3/2)
Tracy McGrady (7/0)
Shane Battier (0/2)
Dirk Nowitzki (12/0)
Ben Wallace (5/6)
Dirk is really your only hole on defense, and 2000s Dirk graded out ok, before he hit old-man stage in the 10s. This squad has multiple Finals MVPs, a full-year MVP, multiple rebounding titles, multiple scoring titles, multiple DPOY awards, blocks title, and a most improved player award.
Offense:
Dirk and McGrady might be two of the 3 best players in the NBA to get a bucket if you needed it (Kobe, obviously the third) without having trouble getting to a decent shot. Billups is a fantastic shooter (flirted with 50-40-90 for his career), Battier a great shooter, and Dirk one of the greatest shooters of all time (also near a 50-40-90 career mark). Ben Wallace doesn't need to do anything but screen and crash offensive boards, McGrady can be the primary initiator often with Billups spacing instead of playing on ball (he flexed a ton to SG, so easy peasy).
Defense:
Ben Wallace is one of two players every to get Defensive Player of the Year 4 times. Dirk is one of the low-key best defensive rebounders of the decade. Chauncey and Battier also showed up on all-defensive teams. McGrady will hide on the weakest perimeter player and harass with length, and Dirk will take the worse big guy. Good luck.
Competition:
The two teams which are going to challenge in the 2000s are anchored by Kobe and "offensive rebounders" on one side and Shaq/Garnett on the other.
Battier/McGrady/Billups might be the greatest Kobe-stopping backcourt that can still actually play offense out there. No offense to our boy EY, but we'll be leaving 3 guys open basically always, and still being ok with helping off Marbury as well. Kobe's gonna have to shoot 81 times to get to 30 points against this squad, and with Dirk and Ben Wallace on the glass, I don't see Marion, Brand, or Kirilenko being an issue.
Dirk is extremely familiar with Garnett, and got the better of him a number of times. Ben Wallace destroyed Shaq in the 2004 finals. Harassing him into turnovers, outrebounded him in 3/5 games, forced him into foul trouble, and held him below his playoff points averages from throughout. Allen/Kidd will be much more trouble, and this battle would be a dogfight. In the end, I think we do enough to survive...but that game would be incredible. I think Battier ends up on Kidd and Billups chases Ray Allen around while McGrady gets to rest against Bowen and dig the post if needed. I'm much more confident in Dirk and McGrady getting their points than I am in Garnett and Shaq getting theirs.
We shall see!!!!!!!!!!!!
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yeah - there's a reason Michael Lewis wrote his piece on Battier. The dude was incredible. Just one of those guys you play with whose teams always seem to win and you know he's why but can't point to the exact reasons.
He and Dirk might be #1 and #2 in hockey assists for the decade.
EYLive
Footballguy
GREEDY!!! Then you slot him at shooting guard?!?! YYYAAARG!!File under Bold Move Cotton. I'm going to pair another PG with Gary Payton in my 90s backcourt, which will be on FIRE.
14.06 - Rod Strickland, SG 90s
We'll see what the judges have to say.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
#### so close. I guess I should have took him over Booker. It seemed like some of the 60s guys were slipping through the cracks. Great pick. I literally have no backup plan now.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
14.11 PG Terry Porter, 90s
2x All-Star
Career: 12.2ppg, 5.6apg, 1.2 spg, .518 eFG
Peak: 16.7ppg, 8.1apg, 1.7spg, .523eFG
17th all-time in assists
@Ilov80s @ILuvHippyChix
2x All-Star
Career: 12.2ppg, 5.6apg, 1.2 spg, .518 eFG
Peak: 16.7ppg, 8.1apg, 1.7spg, .523eFG
17th all-time in assists
@Ilov80s @ILuvHippyChix
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
i had my 60s PG early or he would have been gone five rds ago.
i was a pipsqueek til i was 13-14 and am so terminally right-handed that i had no handle, so it was really hard to be good at basketball and that broke my heart. finding guys open (Cousy's style was too out of reach) as one's reason to be on a hardcourt i learned from watching Guy Rodgers - who looked less like he belonged on a basketball court than anyone ever - as well as a court sense which served me well when i grew almost a foot and a half in 2 yrs
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EYLive
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Love that player. Those Blazers teams were among my favorites to watch. Porter/Drexler/Kersey/Buck/Duckworth with Ainge & Cliff Robinson off the bench.
It's crazy that Porter came from Stevens Point (Wisconsin), playing there under head coach **** Bennett. Later Bennett would go to UWGB and coach his son Tony. **** then went coach Wisconsin and let the Badgers to a Final Four while Tony went to the NBA and played point for Charlotte. Tony Bennett was on the court when Mourning hit the game winning shot in the 93' playoffs. Video Now he's better known as National Championship head coach of Virginia.
Too bad that TrailBlazers team ran into the Bulls. I believe they were the best team to not get their ring due to the Bulls run of dominance with Jordan. Porter is a very underrated player, nice pick.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Jamaal "Silk" Wilkes - SF 1980's
Silk was the son of a Baptist Minister, growing up in California where his number was retired by 2 different high schools. He then played his college ball at UCLA alongside Bill Walton where they completed 2 undefeated seasons and he was a 2-time all-American. Legendary coach John Wooden had this to say about Wilkes when asked once to describe his ideal player. “I would have the player be a good student, polite, courteous, a good team player, a good defensive player and rebounder, a good inside player and outside shooter,” Wooden told the New York Post in 1985. “Why not just take Jamaal Wilkes and let it go at that.”
He was drafted 11th by Golden State in 1974 where he won rookie of the year (over Walton) and won the first of his 4 NBA titles alongside Rick Barry. After the next 2 years of disappointment in Golden State, he signed as a free agent with the LA Lakers where he soon became an integral part of the Showtime Lakers and 3 NBA championships. Though he would eventually lose his spot to Worthy after getting injured, he was a great teammate and contributor throughout his career. Before there were "glue guys" there was Jamaal Wilkes.
Hall of Famer, 4x NBA Champion, ROY, 2x All-Defensive & 3x All-star
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ok I sort of had a backup plan, he’s just not as fun as Guy. Maybe a better regarded player though, I’m not sure. Wikkid could probably tell us more as I’m left to go off of articles and stats.
14.12 Slater Martin PG 60s
7x All Star, 5x All NBA, 5x NBA Champ
Diminutive at 5’10” but was noted as a ferocious and physical defender. His claim to fame was making the great Mikan, Mikkelsen and [redacted] front court all gel together. That’s a perfect complement for my 60s team and it’s trio of front court stars.
@Jayrod
14.12 Slater Martin PG 60s
7x All Star, 5x All NBA, 5x NBA Champ
Diminutive at 5’10” but was noted as a ferocious and physical defender. His claim to fame was making the great Mikan, Mikkelsen and [redacted] front court all gel together. That’s a perfect complement for my 60s team and it’s trio of front court stars.
@Jayrod
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
This sounds like the most generic white guy name possible for somebody born in the 30s or 40s.... And, he's black. At least all the racist Philadelphians (that kind of a redundant statement, isn't it... just kidding philly folks) that were listening on the radio weren't triggered.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
He was one of the last in the league to raise his hand when he committed a foul, voluntarily. People who started watching the NBA after 1990 probably have no idea of what I'm talking about.
More importantly, he looked like he loved playing when he was on the court. Him finishing a Magic fast break was one of the most joyous things you could see in an NBA game.
And that crazy twisty behind the head shooting form. How he made that work I have no idea, but he did, for tons of what Chick Hearn called "20 foot layups."
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
his mechanic lived down the street from a really tall guy who looked like a basketball player but wasnt...
Ilov80s
Footballguy
scoobus
Footballguy
Think I'll wait to argue this until the end. We'll just say that I disagree, strongly.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
after we put up the peach baskets, we'd watch him play by candlelight til the Germans attacked
Ilov80s
Footballguy
LOL I know you weren’t old enough to have seen him play. Meant more that he was at least in range where maybe he was discussed and you would know people who had seen play. Did anyone give a #### about the 50s guys in the 60s or was that ancient history pretty quickly?
EYLive
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
now that you mention it, i dont remember old farts talking sports in depth except boxing
EYLive
Footballguy
FAKE NEWS YA'LL!! Even Shane Battier's own mother doesn't think he's a great shooter!
2 of the starting 5 aren't scoring threats. AK-47 and The Matrix will double team T-Mac to force Shane to take jumpshots.
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