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***** ALL-TIME NBA/ABA DRAFT ***** (Scoobus is Champion!) (2 Viewers)

Yoda: The last decent 2010s center, DeAndre Jordan was.
Obi-Wan Kenobi: No ... there is another.

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15.12: C Nikola Vucevic, 2010s

By his third season in Orlando (2014-15) at age 24, Vucevic had developed into a steady 19-11 starter. Coaches [redacted] and Frank Vogel reduced Vucevic's minutes over the 2015-2017 seasons, mostly in response to some nagging multi-game injuries. His per-minute efficiency remained even as his counting stats dipped a bit in those seasons. A fractured hand kept him out for two months of the 2017-18 season.

Since then, Vucevic has come back stronger than ever. He has made two All-Star teams and added the three-pointer to his arsenal. In the 2020-21 season through 37 games, he's having his career-best offensive season -- 24.6 / 11.7 / 3.7 and 40.8% from the arc.
I'd settled on him as my backup plan if I'd waited and lost out on Horford.  Very solid player (and potential Celtic 🤞).

 
Some people remember this guy from his infamous on-court strangling of Wes Matthews.

Some people remember his bulked up version when he was a Knicks enforcer during his later years.

But he was also the first guy to ever lead college basketball in both scoring and rebounding.... and he turned into the this guy....

15.13 --  Xavier "X-man" McDaniel, 80's SF.

@scoobus

 
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Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?

 
Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?
I wasn't picking in that range but I highlight doubt it. I think where he was selected was the right range. There aren't many two time MVPs that lead their team to multiple titles as the best player. 

 
Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?
Not a chance. Curry was easily a top 15 player for me just because of how incredible his skill set is.

 
Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?
I was locked in on either Curry or Durant with the 2.06.  You made the my choice an easy one.

 
Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?
Only reason I didn’t take Curry (and Durant) over KG is because I was avoiding 10s guys.

 
Just looking back at the top of this draft, with some slight buyer's remorse.

Question for the house: if I hadn't taken Steph Curry at 2.05, would he have had a chance of falling to 3.12?
I'm kinda remorseful over the Ceballos pick.  There's an undrafted player at that position who would have the perfect player to add to my 90s roster.  

 
Nice,  couldn’t tell from the post if you were trying to stop yourself from ripping someone a new one or if you had really screwed something up and were trying to fix it.
Nothing too big, just having to deal with a project manager who is committed to not managing a project.

 
I'm kinda remorseful over the Ceballos pick.  There's an undrafted player at that position who would have the perfect player to add to my 90s roster.  
Ceballos was the first guy taken in this draft that was not taken in the 2011 draft (except for most of the 2010s guys, of course). That's actually a little surprising to me -- I remember Ceballos being really good, just with a short peak ... but tons of guys with short peaks got (and are getting) picked, so that's not really a disqualification.

That said, 1990s SG & SF are super-deep. Probably 20 legit guys at each position, several of which can swing.

 
15.15 Jeff Hornacek, SG, 90s

Honestly, really wanted Grant or Majerle here, but Hornacek isn't a bad consolation. A player that looks a lot better today with advanced stats than his awards and accolades (only a single AS game) at the time would have you believe. He was a major contributor to both the fantastic Kevin Johnson led Suns of the early 90s and the Karl Malone led teams of the late 90s. He is the ideal 90s wing to work off the weak side of the Kevin Johnson-Karl Malone PnR - he was one of the most elite shooters of the 90s and had the handles and distribution ability to attack off the dribble.

For his career, he had 108.9 WS (best of any player remaining) 42.1 VORP (also the best of any player remaining), 2.9BMP, and a 17.7 PER. His advanced stats are better than most of the 90s SGs taken ahead of him (everybody but Drexler and Jordan who are so far ahead of the field). 

Through his peak 4 years (which is a bit hard to define because he was so good for the entire decade), he averaged 18.5/4.5/5.6/1.7 stls on .506/.412/.877 splits (.581 TS%).

 
16.02 Rik Smits, C 90s

The 90s center position was looooooaded - Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Mutombo, Alonzo. Smits got lost a bit in that, but he was the second best player on a Pacers team that made one finals and four ECF teams (fight me, Detlef Schrempf), and was pretty well a perennial playoff team for his entire career (missed the playoffs 2x in his 12 year career). Another hall of very good - for the era, other than his mediocre rebounding numbers and the fact that he wasn't a big minutes monster, he did everything well but nothing great.

His per 36 stats for the back 9 years of his career were 20.8/8.3/2.0/1.4 blocks. Not too shabby.

My team is unnecessarily white.

 
22 minutes ago, Yo Mama said:
In my call but not presenting yet. I’ll do my writeups later. 
 

15.16 - Baron Davis, 00s PG

16.01 - Paul Silas, 70s PF

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now there's an elbow will never need Jergens. you got Paul Silas, you done. if he aint the best four on the floor, he'll get the better of the one who is...
Silas would get 25 boards a game fetching Baron Davis's bricks :D  

 
16.03, Marques Johnson, SF, 70s

BR says he played a little SG too, but seems like he was more of a SF, so as to not overlap with English we’ll stick him in the 70s where he had 2 of his 3 all-nba seasons. 5x all-star who averaged over 25 ppg in the 78 season. The original M.J.

 

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