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Ilov80s said:
18.12 Sean Elliot SF 90s 2x All Star, 1x NBA Champion. Do it all player who was also an effective volume 3 point shooter and had dangerous quickness and length. At his peak, he shot about 4 triples a game at 40% shooting. Knew how to blend in and play the team game.
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Great pick.  Elliott was one of my favorite players of all-time.  He went to Arizona and elevated that program to the national profile it has had ever since.  He was a modern day player way ahead of his time.  Elliott was capable of bigger statistical achievements, but he played whatever role made the most sense for San Antonio. 

Unfortunately Elliott isn't mentioned as often as he should be when people discuss the Spurs long run of success the last 30 years.  His approach and professionalism were right there with the culture Coach Pop, The Admiral, Avery Johnson, and others helped cultivate before Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili arrived.

 
Jayrod said:
18.13 Carlos Boozer, 00's PF

After Stockton/Malone, there was D-Will/Boozer.  Not as good, but a very good tandem that led the Jazz to 4 straight playoffs, including the WCF in '06-07 and averaging a double-double during his time there in Utah. He was a 2x all-star, and all-NBA player who ended his career with averages of 16.2 pts & 9.5 rbs.  He will provide a slow and steady inside/outside game with Pierce on my 00's squad.
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The best Boozer story I heard involved his 'mansion'.  He went to play with the Jazz and he rented out his property in LA.  He didn't really want to do it, but somebody was offering him almost $100k/month, so of course he was now on board.  Turns out the renter was Prince.  Like Purple Reign, symbol for a name Prince.

Fast forward to later that season and Boozer is back in LA and he goes to check out the place.  Only it was so different he wasn't even positive it was his place!?  Prince turned everything purple, knocked walls out, added a club and other things, etc.  Boozer was so pissed he almost sued.  Prince reassured him it was all good and when he left he paid to have everything put back to how it was when he moved in.  🤣

 
Jayrod said:
18.13 Carlos Boozer, 00's PF

After Stockton/Malone, there was D-Will/Boozer.  Not as good, but a very good tandem that led the Jazz to 4 straight playoffs, including the WCF in '06-07 and averaging a double-double during his time there in Utah. 

He was a 2x all-star, and all-NBA player who ended his career with averages of 16.2 pts & 9.5 rbs.  He will provide a slow and steady inside/outside game with Pierce on my 00's squad.

@wikkidpissah
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I remember this guy being really good, but looking at his stats they aren't eye-popping. Not sure what i am missing, but this gives me some time to consdier where i want to put Bosh too since this guy played both PF and C

David Lee  PF/C 00s or 10s:

Played his best years between like 07-13. 20 points/10 rebounds  night. For some reason i thought he had a 3 point shot but looking at his stats it doesn't seem to be the case. Either way gives me a big body to put in next to either Embiid or Sheed most likely

Made All-NBA even with all the bigger names out there playing, all star game or 2. Kind of impressive 

 
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modogg said:
I remember this guy being really good, but looking at his stats they aren't eye-popping. Not sure what i am missing, but this gives me some time to consdier where i want to put Bosh too since this guy played both PF and C

David Lee  PF/C 00s or 10s:

Played his best years between like 07-13. 20 points/10 rebounds  night. For some reason i thought he had a 3 point shot but looking at his stats it doesn't seem to be the case. Either way gives me a big body to put in next to either Embiid or Sheed most likely

Made All-NBA even with all the bigger names out there playing, all star game or 2. Kind of impressive 
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Which decade do you want?  Looks like his best years were in the 10s, but you can choose. You can always move him later. 

 
i am hurting for a good Small Forward for possibly my pantheon team. Been looking into this guy for awhile, and am kind of impressed with how he snuck under the radar if Hawkins doesn't pan out.

I think one of "Radio" Rahim's downfall was that he was trying to be placed into traditional roles of either PF or SF, before the idea of positionless basketball became more popular. Guy doesn't need to be the star of the team and can take a backseat, but can easily add to any team he is placed on.

Sharif Abdur-Raheem  -  SF  00's

too tired for any exquisite write up, can do a cut and paste 

"Rahim came out the draft getting buckets as he averaged 18.7 points per game his rookie season as a very undersized PF in an NBA that at the time featured Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone & Charles Barkley at power forward to name a few. Somehow some way Rahim not only delivered major buckets, but also averaged seven rebounds a game.  Now if my memory serves me correctly, that’s right on par with All-Star production at his position and Shareef managed to do so on a team that didn’t have many options to distract defenses away from his 20 & 7 every night. That says a lot.

Some can argue that Rahim is not heralded because he consistently put up all star numbers, but always on bad teams. That’s a very intriguing common denominator to say the least.  How can a guy who averaged 20 points per game for the next six seasons after his debut always end up on the short end of the stick?

A legitimate counter argument can be that Radio played his first five seasons on an expansion team in the middle of the Jordan-Bulls’ Dynasty & the transition into the Kobe Shaq Lakers’ Dynasty, so if your team didn’t have at least 2 hall of Famers, & either “Phil The Lord Of The Rings” or “Pop,” forget about it. Also the instability within the franchises Shareef always landed with was average at best. If only players then took control of their future like today’s players, who knows?

Imagine Shareef in today’s NBA with his ability to start 3-5 as the ultimate stretch big. The skill, toughness, consistency and discipline Abdur-Rahim displayed throughout his career from day one is something any coach would have on their team, no matter how much he ended up on the loss column in his past. Shareef was borderline dominant in an era the league was stacked with dominant big men."

 @timschochet

@wikkidpissah

@Jayrod

 
modogg said:
i am hurting for a good Small Forward for possibly my pantheon team. Been looking into this guy for awhile, and am kind of impressed with how he snuck under the radar if Hawkins doesn't pan out.

I think one of "Radio" Rahim's downfall was that he was trying to be placed into traditional roles of either PF or SF, before the idea of positionless basketball became more popular. Guy doesn't need to be the star of the team and can take a backseat, but can easily add to any team he is placed on.

Sharif Abdur-Raheem  -  SF  00's

too tired for any exquisite write up, can do a cut and paste 

"Rahim came out the draft getting buckets as he averaged 18.7 points per game his rookie season as a very undersized PF in an NBA that at the time featured Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone & Charles Barkley at power forward to name a few. Somehow some way Rahim not only delivered major buckets, but also averaged seven rebounds a game.  Now if my memory serves me correctly, that’s right on par with All-Star production at his position and Shareef managed to do so on a team that didn’t have many options to distract defenses away from his 20 & 7 every night. That says a lot.

Some can argue that Rahim is not heralded because he consistently put up all star numbers, but always on bad teams. That’s a very intriguing common denominator to say the least.  How can a guy who averaged 20 points per game for the next six seasons after his debut always end up on the short end of the stick?

A legitimate counter argument can be that Radio played his first five seasons on an expansion team in the middle of the Jordan-Bulls’ Dynasty & the transition into the Kobe Shaq Lakers’ Dynasty, so if your team didn’t have at least 2 hall of Famers, & either “Phil The Lord Of The Rings” or “Pop,” forget about it. Also the instability within the franchises Shareef always landed with was average at best. If only players then took control of their future like today’s players, who knows?

Imagine Shareef in today’s NBA with his ability to start 3-5 as the ultimate stretch big. The skill, toughness, consistency and discipline Abdur-Rahim displayed throughout his career from day one is something any coach would have on their team, no matter how much he ended up on the loss column in his past. Shareef was borderline dominant in an era the league was stacked with dominant big men."

 @timschochet

@wikkidpissah

@Jayrod
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drafted already....18.05

 
Yo Mama said:
Which decade do you want?  Looks like his best years were in the 10s, but you can choose. You can always move him later. 
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yeah 10s for now is fine. i got 2 other guys i was thinking who were forwards in the 10s, so may move a bit as we go forward

 
ugh, fine. Lot of yucky guys out there left at some positions for some of these decades. Missed on quite a few i had lined up. This guy was never sexxy for me, but he never became a mainstrem guy. Lot of digging, and he seems like the kind of guy who had a promising, blossoming career cut short with injuries/bum knees:

SF  Danny Granger  00s

It's funny looking at his stats, he is the kind of guy who fell off  cliff one his knees started to plague him. Think i saw somewhere he played 76 games over the course of 4 years. No good way to show his stats, but they are eye-popping when you see the comparison to his years in the 00s to when he got into the 10s. so i def. want the 00s Granger:

i'll take the one from the 08-09 season if i can cherry pick:

It was a symbolic start to what would ultimately be a historic season for Granger. He finished the year fifth in the NBA in scoring (25.8 points per game) while also amassing 5.1 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.0 steals, and 1.4 blocks per contest. Granger carried a heavy offensive load with remarkable efficiency, posting a .447 field-goal percentage, .404 3-point percentage, and .878 free throw percentage.

He was chosen to his only All-Star team during that season and at the conclusion of the year was voted as the NBA's Most Improved Player.

You could make a strong argument that Granger's 2008-09 season was the greatest individual offensive season in franchise history. He became the only Pacers player and just the 12th in NBA history to average over 25 points per game while also shooting over 40 percent from 3-point range (four players have since joined that club: Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Stephen Curry).

 
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19.03 Jerry Sloan G 60s

I may have lost out on his partner in the greatest defensive backcourt in NBA history, but there's a lot to like about Sloan. I never did, because i went to Sam Jones Basketball Camp before my sophomore year in high school and the most ubiquitous instructor was Celtics defensive specialist Larry Siegfried, who had a sadistic bent worthy of his surname. His drills were designed to reach the puker in everybody and, as a candystore/poolhall kid, i had smoked since i was 10 and was among his earliest victims. I had to listen about how Siegfried's idol, Jerry Sloan, would have reached down for more hustle as my back arched to refund my morning OJ. So there's that.

Like fellow defensive specialist Bobby Jones, Sloan had game - nice stroke, good eye - but it was never something he cared about as much as running down his stops. Perhaps if he had, he and VanLier and Artis and Butterbean might have gone farther each spring. Damn fine coach, too

@Jayrod

 
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19.04 - Don Buse, 70's SG (moving Roger Brown to 60's SF)

Buse started his career in the ABA where he was named to 2 all-defensive teams, made an all-star game and an all-ABA team and played on an ABA championship team.  In the final year of the ABA he led the league in both assists & steals.

After the merger, he continued his stellar play where he led the NBA in assists & steals in his first year in the NBA and was named to the all-star game.  While his scoring was never prominent, his defense remained elite and he was named to 4 straight all-defensive first teams in the NBA and continued to be an excellent distributor for Phoenix, Indiana and the KC Kings until he retired in 1985 after 13 total seasons.

I liked the idea of having a true defensive guard at the SG with my 70s team as opposed to another slashing forward.  Roger Brown played enough good years (and SHOULD have been there 2 years earlier) in the 60's to justify the move.

@Ilov80s

 
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Jayrod said:
19.04 - Don Buse, 70's SG (moving Roger Brown to 60's SF)

Buse started his career in the ABA where he was named to 2 all-defensive teams, made an all-star game and an all-ABA team and played on an ABA championship team.  In the final year of the ABA he led the league in both assists & steals.

After the merger, he continued his stellar play where he led the NBA in assists & steals in his first year in the NBA and was named to the all-star game.  While his scoring was never prominent, his defense remained elite and he was named to 4 straight all-defensive first teams in the NBA and continued to be an excellent distributor for Phoenix, Indiana and the KC Kings until he retired in 1985 after 13 total seasons.

I liked the idea of having a true defensive guard at the SG with my 70s team as opposed to another slashing forward.  Roger Brown played enough good years (and SHOULD have been there 2 years earlier) in the 60's to justify the move.

@Ilov80s
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An interesting note about these two players, Brown started his career when the ABA was formed and played his entire career there.  Buse made the transition with the merger.  They actually played on the same team together in Indy for 2 years, winning a championship in Buse's rookie season.

 
Ok I’m not overly thrilled about this pick but supply and demand 

19.5 Rony Seikaly C 90s

One of the first foreign born players to make a big splash in the NBA. The Lebanese born big man was a superstar at Syracuse and I remember him being quite nimble for a big. During his peak years of 90-98 he averaged 15/10 plus a block and a steal a game. He’s had a couple supermodel wives and is currently a very successful DJ in Europe. He hosts a show on Sirius.
 

@Frostillicus

 
19.6 SF Antoine Walker, 00s

Career: 17.5ppg/7.7rpg/3.5apg/1.2spg

Peak: 21.4ppg/8.6rpg/4.3apg/1.6spg

3x All-Star

All-Rookie Team

NBA Champion

3x led the league in 3-point attempts

1x led the league in Field Goals missed

32nd in All-time 3pt attempts

I always thought he would have been better if he wasn't so in love with the 3-pointer. Still ended up pretty good. 

@EYLive @Live Guppy from Brazil

 
Frostillicus said:
19.6 SF Antoine Walker, 00s

Career: 17.5ppg/7.7rpg/3.5apg/1.2spg

Peak: 21.4ppg/8.6rpg/4.3apg/1.6spg

3x All-Star

All-Rookie Team

NBA Champion

3x led the league in 3-point attempts

1x led the league in Field Goals missed

32nd in All-time 3pt attempts

I always thought he would have been better if he wasn't so in love with the 3-pointer. Still ended up pretty good. 

@EYLive @Live Guppy from Brazil
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would have been one of the greats if he believed in doing ANYTHING on purpose

 
19.07 - Billy Knight, SG, 1970

NBA all-star 1977

ABA all-star 1976

All ABA First Team 1976

ABA All Rookie First Team 1975

 
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19.09 Jayson Tatum – SF 2010s

Even with a short track record by all-time standards, he’s BPA on my board.  25pts/7reb/4.5ast/2stocks with career 40% 3pt on high volume.  On defense he’s also a force, with ability to switch and defend at a really high level.   In his fourth season he’s appeared on the All-Rookie team, in multiple All-Star games, and an All-NBA team.

That statistical success has also contributed to what matters most – wins.  Tatum certainly isn’t afraid of taking the big shots and he’s done so in big games, winning two Gold medals in FIBA and playing in two Eastern Conference Finals.  That’s already one more than Chris Paul.  :shots fired:

 
trader jake said:
19.09 Jayson Tatum – SF 2010s

Even with a short track record by all-time standards, he’s BPA on my board.  25pts/7reb/4.5ast/2stocks with career 40% 3pt on high volume.  On defense he’s also a force, with ability to switch and defend at a really high level.   In his fourth season he’s appeared on the All-Rookie team, in multiple All-Star games, and an All-NBA team.

That statistical success has also contributed to what matters most – wins.  Tatum certainly isn’t afraid of taking the big shots and he’s done so in big games, winning two Gold medals in FIBA and playing in two Eastern Conference Finals.  That’s already one more than Chris Paul.  :shots fired:
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As much as I am a fan of the Celtics, I'm kinda lukewarm on JT.  He is their best all around player (well 1A to a certain 1B), but his hero ball and ref whining irks me.

But if he takes another step forward and leads the Fighting Stevens' to a ring?  I'll tattoo his face on my lily white ####.

 
19.10 - Jason Terry - SG/2000's

I have seen lot's of guys go off the board that fit my team here and am fairly happy that JET made it to me.  He can knock down the three and play a little point to give Parker a rest as needed. 

Career highlights and awards

  • NBA champion (2011)
  • NBA Sixth Man of the Year (2009)
  • NBA All-Rookie Second Team (2000)
  • NCAA champion (1997)
  • Consensus first-team All-American (1999)
  • Pac-10 Player of the Year (1999)
  • First-team All-Pac-10 (1999)
  • No. 31 retired by Arizona Wildcats


This rounds out my 2000's roster and although it doesn't have the flash of some of the other rosters I think this would be a very tough out for any team assembled for this era:

  • PG - Tony Parker
  • SG - Jason Terry
  • SF - Peja Stojakovic
  • PF - Tim Duncan
  • C - Dwight Howard


Defensively strong on the back end, can shoot the three, has a great post game, and a PG that can penetrate enough to keep things honest.  A couple spot up shooters to leave the paint open for Duncan.  

@Mister CIAon the clock

 
Frostillicus said:
19.6 SF Antoine Walker, 00s

Career: 17.5ppg/7.7rpg/3.5apg/1.2spg

Peak: 21.4ppg/8.6rpg/4.3apg/1.6spg

3x All-Star

All-Rookie Team

NBA Champion

3x led the league in 3-point attempts

1x led the league in Field Goals missed

32nd in All-time 3pt attempts

I always thought he would have been better if he wasn't so in love with the 3-pointer. Still ended up pretty good. 

@EYLive @Live Guppy from Brazil
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:bag:  thought he was already taken when i drafted Granger. Pretty sure i would have taken him Antoine instead

 
trader jake said:
19.09 Jayson Tatum – SF 2010s

Even with a short track record by all-time standards, he’s BPA on my board.  25pts/7reb/4.5ast/2stocks with career 40% 3pt on high volume.  On defense he’s also a force, with ability to switch and defend at a really high level.   In his fourth season he’s appeared on the All-Rookie team, in multiple All-Star games, and an All-NBA team.

That statistical success has also contributed to what matters most – wins.  Tatum certainly isn’t afraid of taking the big shots and he’s done so in big games, winning two Gold medals in FIBA and playing in two Eastern Conference Finals.  That’s already one more than Chris Paul.  :shots fired:
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make sure you catch the games where Ben Simmons has to guard Tatum. I agree with @Jayrod about Tatum. His first year or 2 had so much promise, but he has adapted such hero ball and neglects to crash to the net that he is possibly more of an albatross to a team then a benefit. 

he is like a guy like the Houston version of Harden. Impressed with how much Harden has changed now with Brooklyn, but Houston had to develop their entire team around Harden to make it effective

 
modogg said:
make sure you catch the games where Ben Simmons has to guard Tatum. I agree with @Jayrod about Tatum. His first year or 2 had so much promise, but he has adapted such hero ball and neglects to crash to the net that he is possibly more of an albatross to a team then a benefit. 

he is like a guy like the Houston version of Harden. Impressed with how much Harden has changed now with Brooklyn, but Houston had to develop their entire team around Harden to make it effective
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Uh, no.  He has improved every year.  His hero ball also comes and goes, so you can tell he is listening to Stevens at least some of the time.  Plus he does make the occasional side step 3.

 
every day, there's more in common between JT and the Celtic predecessor just drafted, Antoine Walker, tho the former is tidy almost everywhere the latter was sloppy. there are precious few NBA players who can switch, guard the post in a pinch and throw up 35footers w confidence and none him have the unstoppable fadeaway Tatum has. more and more, tho, he's the place the basketball goes to die, like w 'Toine. he may have unlearned much of the bad technical advice Kobe gave him when he mentored him after his rookie year, but his valuation of his brand over his team grows and grows. shame to see with such a beautiful talent...

 
modogg said:
i am hurting for a good Small Forward for possibly my pantheon team. Been looking into this guy for awhile, and am kind of impressed with how he snuck under the radar if Hawkins doesn't pan out.

I think one of "Radio" Rahim's downfall was that he was trying to be placed into traditional roles of either PF or SF, before the idea of positionless basketball became more popular. Guy doesn't need to be the star of the team and can take a backseat, but can easily add to any team he is placed on.

Sharif Abdur-Raheem  -  SF  00's

too tired for any exquisite write up, can do a cut and paste 

"Rahim came out the draft getting buckets as he averaged 18.7 points per game his rookie season as a very undersized PF in an NBA that at the time featured Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, Karl Malone & Charles Barkley at power forward to name a few. Somehow some way Rahim not only delivered major buckets, but also averaged seven rebounds a game.  Now if my memory serves me correctly, that’s right on par with All-Star production at his position and Shareef managed to do so on a team that didn’t have many options to distract defenses away from his 20 & 7 every night. That says a lot.

Some can argue that Rahim is not heralded because he consistently put up all star numbers, but always on bad teams. That’s a very intriguing common denominator to say the least.  How can a guy who averaged 20 points per game for the next six seasons after his debut always end up on the short end of the stick?

A legitimate counter argument can be that Radio played his first five seasons on an expansion team in the middle of the Jordan-Bulls’ Dynasty & the transition into the Kobe Shaq Lakers’ Dynasty, so if your team didn’t have at least 2 hall of Famers, & either “Phil The Lord Of The Rings” or “Pop,” forget about it. Also the instability within the franchises Shareef always landed with was average at best. If only players then took control of their future like today’s players, who knows?

Imagine Shareef in today’s NBA with his ability to start 3-5 as the ultimate stretch big. The skill, toughness, consistency and discipline Abdur-Rahim displayed throughout his career from day one is something any coach would have on their team, no matter how much he ended up on the loss column in his past. Shareef was borderline dominant in an era the league was stacked with dominant big men."

 @timschochet

@wikkidpissah

@Jayrod
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Jayrod said:
drafted already....18.05
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@modoggcan you try picking some of my players next so that I can get those good write ups.  Thanks. 

 
Jayrod said:
I'm assuming this is your "Best in Show" team?

ETA:  I like it....very solid 5.
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I am guessing that it will be because of the draft capital spent on it.   Like I said, it's not flashy but a very technically sound team that can do almost everything.  It may have trouble guarding the wings but Duncan and Howard can help clean up mistakes on the back end in their heydays.  

 
Jayrod said:
ref whining irks me.
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That's the NBA in general today, unfortunately.  I hope an emphasis is placed on it a bit to clean it up.  Then again, I'd also like to see replay review all but eliminated, the Euro foul penalized with a free throw and the ball, the lane shrunk a bit, the 3pt line moved back, and the Elam ending implemented.  😊

modogg said:
make sure you catch the games where Ben Simmons has to guard Tatum

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Impressed with how much Harden has changed now with Brooklyn, but Houston had to develop their entire team around Harden to make it effective
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Tatum did just fine against Simmons the last three years, but he's battling the effects of covid the last few months still, he'll be fine.  Even with this season's struggles, the Celtics are still 11-6 when Tatum & Simmons are playing, including a playoff win.

Also, I'd disagree that "Houston had to develop their entire team around Harden to make it effective"...I believe they had to do so to compete against the Golden State Warriors and whatever team LeBron was on in order to compete for a championship.  They went with the 3pt strategy and Harden made it possible with lesser talent around him (compared to those teams).  It's not a style I especially enjoyed watching, but it was effective and gave the organization a shot to win a chip.  We've watched Harden in OKC early in his career and with Brooklyn now be very, very good outside of that system.

As far as all-time discussion goes (cough, cough 😉) the Harden point is interesting though.  Building that Pantheon team and the decade teams is a real team building challenge.  Too many ball dominant players, not enough defense, etc could really hurt results when judges start to give their opinions.  Love the strategy and I'm looking forward to seeing what some GMs do the last 1/3 of the draft.

 
wikkidpissah said:
every day, there's more in common between JT and the Celtic predecessor just drafted, Antoine Walker, tho the former is tidy almost everywhere the latter was sloppy. there are precious few NBA players who can switch, guard the post in a pinch and throw up 35footers w confidence and none him have the unstoppable fadeaway Tatum has. more and more, tho, he's the place the basketball goes to die, like w 'Toine. he may have unlearned much of the bad technical advice Kobe gave him when he mentored him after his rookie year, but his valuation of his brand over his team grows and grows. shame to see with such a beautiful talent...
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Interesting. I couldn’t stand Walker. Not in the way that one hated Jordan or Aaron Rodgers for their smug dominance or for always beating my Detroit team. I just couldn’t stand watching him play. I feel the same dislike for Tatum and don’t know why. Maybe you have tapped into some of that. 
 

 
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