Jayrod
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I put a "count check" on the far right of the team designations spreadsheet. If that number is 0, then all of the picks have been entered.
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Kev4029
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Kev4029
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So I'm reading through the previous All-Time draft @Jayrod was the 90s judge. Against the loosely developed rules that were established early in the draft, he militantly would not accept any play outside of the decade to be counted for the player. Well, well, well, how the turn tables...
Ilov80s
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Jayrod
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First of all, I don't remember what the rules were for that draft, but I KNOW what they are for this draft.
Also, I've learned a lot in 10 years.
Kev4029
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Yeah, it's like 15 posts down or something on the first page. It's been helpful to find guys in the 60s. @BobbyLayne dropped a ton of knowledge.
Doug B
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Mister CIA already has this position:
21.12: SF Gerald Wallace, 2000s
Super-active forward who was highly disruptive on the defensive end. Good for about 18 ppg and 7-8 rpg in his Charlotte Bobcats prime. Had kind of a flukey 2005-06 on defense, where he averaged 2.5 steals and 2.1 blocks per game. He didn't maintain that average with the blocks, but he did wrangle 2+ steals per game over three consecutive seasons (2005-2008). All-Defensive selection in 2009-10.
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21.12: SF Gerald Wallace, 2000s
Super-active forward who was highly disruptive on the defensive end. Good for about 18 ppg and 7-8 rpg in his Charlotte Bobcats prime. Had kind of a flukey 2005-06 on defense, where he averaged 2.5 steals and 2.1 blocks per game. He didn't maintain that average with the blocks, but he did wrangle 2+ steals per game over three consecutive seasons (2005-2008). All-Defensive selection in 2009-10.
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Kev4029
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Ilov80s
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Jayrod
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I know, it is all good.
Seriously, this draft is the most fun I've had at work in a long time. Loving the debates and banter.
Kev4029
Footballguy
If Rashard Lewis could even kind of be considered a C, I may have picked Wallace or another similarly skilled combo forward to be my PF. Wallace was a lot of fun when he was in Charlotte. BTW, the remaining 00s centers bloooooow.
wikkidpissah
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Kev4029
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Me too. I've probably posted on this thread more in the last two weeks than the entire forum in the past two years.
Doug B
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The 2000s squad turns out to be both the last team I started (11 round) and the first team I've completed (21st round).
PG - Sam Cassell
SG - Michael Redd
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C - Marcus Camby
I kind of wish I had one transcendent 2000s star to anchor this squad. The complementary basketball will be fantastic, though.
Still not sure I made the right choice at PG, though -- it was between Cassell, Steve Francis, and Mike Bibby. My original plan was to kick off my 2000s squad by drafting Deron Williams ... but I passed on him in the 10th and then watched Deron go 11.1
PG - Sam Cassell
SG - Michael Redd
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C - Marcus Camby
I kind of wish I had one transcendent 2000s star to anchor this squad. The complementary basketball will be fantastic, though.
Still not sure I made the right choice at PG, though -- it was between Cassell, Steve Francis, and Mike Bibby. My original plan was to kick off my 2000s squad by drafting Deron Williams ... but I passed on him in the 10th and then watched Deron go 11.1
Doug B
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Looking back ... it would have been a credible strategy in this thing to pick all your centers in the first 10 rounds or so. Much, much easier to fill in wings than centers.
Yo Mama
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Yo Mama
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Kev4029
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21.15 Tom Gola, SF 60s
He's white and he played in the 50s! Kind of a jack of all trades kinda guy - he had a five year peak where he averaged 13.8 PPG, 9.5 RPG, and 4.5 APG while being a defensive stalwart (the internet said so). He had 20 triple doubles in his career, including 9! in 59-60, plus an additional 3 in the playoffs (2 in 59-60). Sounds like the perfect kind of glue guy for an all-decade team.
He made the HOF, made 5 straight AS games (60-64), made the 57-58 All-NBA team, finished top 11 in the MVP voting three times, and won a title with my 60s team center, Neil Johnston.
@Yo Mama
He's white and he played in the 50s! Kind of a jack of all trades kinda guy - he had a five year peak where he averaged 13.8 PPG, 9.5 RPG, and 4.5 APG while being a defensive stalwart (the internet said so). He had 20 triple doubles in his career, including 9! in 59-60, plus an additional 3 in the playoffs (2 in 59-60). Sounds like the perfect kind of glue guy for an all-decade team.
He made the HOF, made 5 straight AS games (60-64), made the 57-58 All-NBA team, finished top 11 in the MVP voting three times, and won a title with my 60s team center, Neil Johnston.
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Jayrod
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I don't know, it depends on the decade. I felt like the 70's/10's were deep at C and the 80's/90's really shallow.
wikkidpissah
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1. FranchiseThe 2000s squad turns out to be both the last team I started (11 round) and the first team I've completed (21st round).
PG - Sam Cassell
SG - Michael Redd
SF - Gerald Wallace
PF - Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C - Marcus Camby
I kind of wish I had one transcendent 2000s star to anchor this squad. The complementary basketball will be fantastic, though.
Still not sure I made the right choice at PG, though -- it was between Cassell, Steve Francis, and Mike Bibby. My original plan was to kick off my 2000s squad by drafting Deron Williams ... but I passed on him in the 10th and then watched Deron go 11.1
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3. Bibby
Jayrod
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scoobus
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Kev4029
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That was kind of my intent as well, but I kept getting sniped and would get pissed off and take a guard instead.
Kev4029
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BobbyLayne
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Amazing since I don't even follow the NBA anymore
Following along, might jump in when the judging begins
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
wOw - thought he was gone. great value - first non-Celtic i was aware of, cuz he was so big in school
Doug B
Footballguy
He starred with the Kansas City Kings which got NO run at all in the sports press at the time.
The NBA regular TV contract at the time was so limiting. There was ONE Sunday afternoon game per week that didn't start up until after the Super Bowl. It was cool to watch what was available -- we didn't know no better** -- but it was always, always, always the Celtics, Lakers, and 76ers. Often against each other.
I remember being shocked one time when they actually put the Portland Trailblazers on against the Lakers. And another time they slipped the Bucks in there against Boston.
Anyway ... the point is that I didn't even know what the Kansas City Kings unis looked like until I started checking out full-color NBA preview mags in the mid-1980s. And I think by then they were in Sacramento.
Back then ... an NBA backwater was really a backwater.
** the Jazz had left town a few years earlier so there were no local NBA broadcasts.
BobbyLayne
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Oh OK looks like you guys are more or less judging the draft yourselves, right? Or was there more discussion on it?
Yo Mama
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You can definitely help judge. We’re just going to combine rankings, not have just one judge per category.
Yo Mama
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This is probably a reach based on career stats, but he is a perfect fit for my 10s team at this point and I can’t keep punting on filling this spot if I’m going to use this team as my best in show team. Yo Mama selects:
22.01 - Trevor Ariza - SF 10s
Career - 10.5 pts, 4.8 reb, 2.2 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.4 3pm
Peak (6 years) - 12.5 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.7 stl, 1.8 3pm
Key contributor on ‘09 Lakers championship team.
My 10s team needed perimeter defense and outside shooting, and Ariza fits this perfectly. I think Deng is a better overall player, but like this fit better and we’re building teams here.
Yo Mama’s 2010s team:
PG - D Rose
SG - K Thompson
SF - T Ariza
PF - A Davis
C - M Gasol
22.01 - Trevor Ariza - SF 10s
Career - 10.5 pts, 4.8 reb, 2.2 ast, 1.5 stl, 1.4 3pm
Peak (6 years) - 12.5 pts, 5.4 reb, 2.6 ast, 1.7 stl, 1.8 3pm
Key contributor on ‘09 Lakers championship team.
My 10s team needed perimeter defense and outside shooting, and Ariza fits this perfectly. I think Deng is a better overall player, but like this fit better and we’re building teams here.
Yo Mama’s 2010s team:
PG - D Rose
SG - K Thompson
SF - T Ariza
PF - A Davis
C - M Gasol
Kev4029
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My 60s team is complete!
PG: KC Jones
SG: Jerry West
SF: Tom Gola
PF: Dave Debusschere
Neil Johnston
All five were selected to the HOF, Jerry West is in the conversation for best non-center for the era. The defense is probably as tight as anything you could create without having Bill Russell on the squad. The whole team can pass the ball, which was rare for the era. Johnston was probably the most prolific scorer in the NBA for most of his career and West was one of the most prolific scorers in his day (and remarkably efficient for a guard because the dude lived at the line).
Hopefully people that know something about the 50s/60s like the team, because I have no idea what I'm talking about.
PG: KC Jones
SG: Jerry West
SF: Tom Gola
PF: Dave Debusschere
Neil JohnstonAll five were selected to the HOF, Jerry West is in the conversation for best non-center for the era. The defense is probably as tight as anything you could create without having Bill Russell on the squad. The whole team can pass the ball, which was rare for the era. Johnston was probably the most prolific scorer in the NBA for most of his career and West was one of the most prolific scorers in his day (and remarkably efficient for a guard because the dude lived at the line).
Hopefully people that know something about the 50s/60s like the team, because I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Kev4029
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He was on my short list and might have been my pick here.
I like the concept of this team.
scoobus
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
Ok good, passed on a few guys I really like and was wondering if Ariza would still be available next time around.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
a little light on physicality (Debusschere was all elbows & hustle - and talent - but he was not a big dude by any means) but its easily the best and most well-rounded of the three completed 60s teams so far. Wilt will average 60 on this bunch, but i'd make you -170 against him at homeMy 60s team is complete!
PG: KC Jones
SG: Jerry West
SF: Tom Gola
PF: Dave Debusschere
All five were selected to the HOF, Jerry West is in the conversation for best non-center for the era. The defense is probably as tight as anything you could create without having Bill Russell on the squad. The whole team can pass the ball, which was rare for the era. Johnston was probably the most prolific scorer in the NBA for most of his career and West was one of the most prolific scorers in his day (and remarkably efficient for a guard because the dude lived at the line).
Hopefully people that know something about the 50s/60s like the team, because I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Kev4029
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22.2 Andrew Bogut, C, 00s
Holy #### the center pile suuuucks. But I need somebody that can credibly defend the paint, rebound, and not be a total liability on offense. In my estimation, Bogut is the last center left that can check those boxes. He was really starting to come into his own before he took a nasty fall in 2010 and irreparably ####ed his elbow - the defense never went away, but the offense was never quite the same other than his near elite-passing. He did make the All-NBA team that season though. As his peak was fading, he made the All-Defense team in 2015 and helped the Warriors to the first of their 3 titles in 4 years.
@scoobus
Holy #### the center pile suuuucks. But I need somebody that can credibly defend the paint, rebound, and not be a total liability on offense. In my estimation, Bogut is the last center left that can check those boxes. He was really starting to come into his own before he took a nasty fall in 2010 and irreparably ####ed his elbow - the defense never went away, but the offense was never quite the same other than his near elite-passing. He did make the All-NBA team that season though. As his peak was fading, he made the All-Defense team in 2015 and helped the Warriors to the first of their 3 titles in 4 years.
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wikkidpissah
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ozzyozzyoioioi!!
loved his visits to Albq with the Utes, making us homesick for when we had a big Aussie, which was the last time we'd been good before we got Danny Granger
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Kev4029
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And my 00s squad is complete too! (Top 5 years for everybody other than MWP as he was suspended for most of a season)
PG - Steve Nash
SG - Gilbert Arenas
SF - Metta World Peace
PF - Rashard Lewis
C - Andrew Bogut
I love 80% of this team so much. Offensively this team will be tough to beat with the best offensive PG of the decade, Arenas who was pure fire, and Lewis just raining in threes from all over the place. Prime MWP is a sweet 4th wheel to that offense and Bogut can make the smart play out of the PnR. Defensively things could get interesting if there are multiple studs on the perimeter, but Bogut will clean up a lot of mistakes (he was a hell of a rim protector) that Nash and Arenas make, and can hold his own against some of the big centers of the era. I think MWP is the premier perimeter defender of the decade and he can take the toughest matchup 2-4.
PG - Steve Nash
SG - Gilbert Arenas
SF - Metta World Peace
PF - Rashard Lewis
C - Andrew Bogut
I love 80% of this team so much. Offensively this team will be tough to beat with the best offensive PG of the decade, Arenas who was pure fire, and Lewis just raining in threes from all over the place. Prime MWP is a sweet 4th wheel to that offense and Bogut can make the smart play out of the PnR. Defensively things could get interesting if there are multiple studs on the perimeter, but Bogut will clean up a lot of mistakes (he was a hell of a rim protector) that Nash and Arenas make, and can hold his own against some of the big centers of the era. I think MWP is the premier perimeter defender of the decade and he can take the toughest matchup 2-4.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I went to Colorado State in the mid-00s - Granger was the first legit NBA player I got to see while I was there. He was at another level athletically. He didn't even have a good game, but it was clear he was an NBA-level talent.
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