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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Ouch. Suarez is an all-timer for me, for sure. The only forwards I've watched I'd put clearly ahead of him are Ronaldo and Messi. He's there with CR7, Zlatan and Henry on my personal list.
Aguero is a little more complicated, but I think he's underrated, don't pick again for 30-some picks and don't see many more players in his mold.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Not knocking the picks at all. Both are all-time maestros at striker.
I'm just wondering the mindset of voters if I draft a legend not named Pele from the 50s or 60s.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
AcerFC
Footballguy
Usual drafts skip over someone after they have been skipped once. Just making sure you want to give him 2 more hours after he has timed out once already
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Looks like he's here in any case, but the last pick was at 8:51 PM EST, meaning he timed out just before the clock went off. He should get a chance to not get double-skipped in that situation, IMO.
charvik
Footballguy
Debatable IMO. Not knocking the pick necessarily, but people tend to value current players more, because they have seen them. How have they performed internationally?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Funny you should ask -- was looking at that. Goals per game for their national team:
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Ronaldo 0.633
Zlatan 0.554
Suarez 0.536
Henry 0.467
Aguero 0.451
CR7 0.448
Messi 0.415
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Suarez has 45 goals in 84 international appearances. He was the best player on a Uruguay team that made the semis in the 2010 World Cup and won the 2012 Copa America. So his international resume is very good for a guy who doesn't play for a real traditional power like Brazil, Italy, or Germany.
I had a guy in mind who I thought had a clearly better case for striker, but when I crunched the numbers it's almost dead even. Maybe my guy was a bit more dominant a goal scorer compared to his peers, but Suarez has the far better international record.
Native
Footballguy
I view it this way - modern players should be judged based on what they have accomplished to date, not what they may potentially do moving forward. Aguero is 27. If he never plays another match either domestically or internationally, is he an all timer? I dont mind picking current players, but the resume Im picking needs to stand on its own, not with the benefit of future outlook prognostication. JMO. For that reason, while I love Aguero as a player, this feels very early to me. Its the equivalent of Pele picking Juan Sebastion Veron and Saviola into his 'Top 100' given that they were at the peak of their games when the list was compiled. In many cases, dominance in the here and now does not equal a long term legacy
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah, makes sense. I'm definitely picking on the basis of peak seasons. It has to be for an extended time, but not necessarily an entire career.
I'm also trying to put together a team that's complimentary. So a lot of forwards were out for me -- I wanted a specific kind of player to pair with Suarez and Messi.
jonessed
Footballguy
Luis Suárez Miramontes, also known by the diminutive Luisito,[1] is a Spanish former footballer and manager. He played as a midfielder for Deportivo de La Coruña, CD España Industrial, FC Barcelona, Inter Milan, Sampdoria and Spain. Suárez is regarded as one of Spain's greatest players; he was noted for his elegant, fluid, graceful style of play.[2] Nicknamed El Arquitecto (The Architect) he was noted for his perceptive passing and explosive shot and in 1960 he became the first Spanish-born player to be voted Ballon d'Or. In 1964 he helped Spain win the European Championship. Suarez originally achieved prominence as a creative inside forward or attacking midfielder for the great Barcelona team of the 1950s before he joined Inter Milan where he reached his prime as deep lying playmaker for the legendary Grande Inter team of the 1960s.[3] He played a pivotal role in the success Herrera's Inter Milan side, and was one of the primary creative forces in the squad, due to his ball skills, vision, and passing range.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain CF Barcelona
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Individual
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spain CF Barcelona
- La Liga: 1958–59, 1959–60
- Copa del Rey: 1957, 1959
- Fairs Cup: 1958, 1960
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy Inter Milan
Serie A: 1962–63, 1964–65, 1965–66
- European Cup: 1963–64, 1964–65
- Intercontinental Cup: 1964, 1965
Country
Individual
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I don't think there is a wrong way to pick here - it is for fun after all. I am not picking based on HOF credentials - I am mostly trying to assemble a team that if I took them at their peaks, and put them into my formation/tactics they would compete favorably against other great teams.
ETA - thats presumably how I'll vote in any match-up - its all subjective...
ETA - thats presumably how I'll vote in any match-up - its all subjective...
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PIK95
Footballguy
Great pick Jonessed! That guy should have been long gone. He was the Pirlo before Pirlo style wise from what I have read. I thought about taking him but my guy Ludrup was a slightly better fit with my flashy Brazilian attackers. He probably was my next pick though. No more lists....
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((Morpheus))
Footballguy
Very nice pick
Brady Marino
Footballguy
The fact that Luisito was picked and it was a good one gives me faith for the old guy with my next pick.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
There goes the better Luis Suarez. I liked the tactical versatility of him - he had success both as an attacking playmaker and a deep-lying one, which could allow you to switch up your style in-game without using a sub.
charvik
Footballguy
jonessed
Footballguy
Nílton dos Santos was a Brazilian footballer who primarily played as a wingback.[1] At international level, he was a member of the Brazil squads that won the 1958 and 1962 World Cups.
Regarded as one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game, Nílton Santos is a member of the World Team of the 20th Century, and was named by Pelé one of the top 125 greatest living footballers at a FIFA Awards ceremony in 2004.[2]
Club
Botafogo
Country
Brazil
Individual
Regarded as one of the greatest defenders in the history of the game, Nílton Santos is a member of the World Team of the 20th Century, and was named by Pelé one of the top 125 greatest living footballers at a FIFA Awards ceremony in 2004.[2]
Club
Botafogo
- Campeonato Carioca: 1948, 1957, 1961, 1962[1]
- Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa 1962, 1964[1]
Country
Brazil
- South American Championship: 1949[1]
- Pan-American Championship: 1952[1]
- FIFA World Cup: 1958, 1962[1]
Individual
- FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1958
- World Soccer World XI: 1960, 1961[6]
- World Team of the 20th Century: 1998
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Nilton Santos should've been long gone given left back scarcity. Much longer and I might have tried to trade Roberto Carlos and taken him.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
I passed on a couple of players that I really liked to draft a complementary player. I always imagined building a team based on speed and power, but my current roster is all about class.
jonessed
Footballguy
----------------------------------Pele------------------------------------
LM------------------------------Luisito-----------------------------------RM
-------------------Gullit-----------------------Rijkaard---------------------
Santos-------------------LCB-------------RCB---------------------------------RB
-------------------------------------GK----------------------------------------------
That's the core.
LM------------------------------Luisito-----------------------------------RM
-------------------Gullit-----------------------Rijkaard---------------------
Santos-------------------LCB-------------RCB---------------------------------RB
-------------------------------------GK----------------------------------------------
That's the core.
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Poke_4_Life
Footballguy
jonessed made some nice picks there, it was worth the wait... almost.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
This was a tough one due to the old vs new argument, but I think I can make a really good argument for this guy. If what has been said about his speed is true, I think he'd definitely translate well into the modern game. He's rapid and he's an expert crosser for whoever the heck I'll have at striker at this point.
Plus, it gives me a chance to put the best of Real Madrid old and modern on both wings. Ronaldo's versatility and ability to play right wing (arguably better than he does at left wing, honestly) make this pick possible.
5.03 - AML Francisco Gento, Spain, Real Madrid
He débuted in the Primera División with Racing Santander in the 1952–53 season. In the following year, he signed with Real Madrid and became a legendary player of that club, wearing the number 11 shirt.
La Galerna del Cantábrico (The Gale of the Cantabrian Sea), as he was known, played outside-left and was noted not only for having great speed (he could run 100 meters in 11 seconds flat and was almost as quick with a ball at his feet)[citation needed], but also for his skills with the ball and his scoring prowess from the midfield position. He captained a young side, known in Spain as Ye-yé, because of the popularity of The Beatles at that time. He is regarded as one of Spain's greatest players
Among other honors, Gento won the European Cup a record 6 times with Real Madrid (an unmatched record), scoring 30 goals in 89 European Cup career matches. He also played for Spain from 1955 to 1969, winning 43 caps and scoring 5 times.
Gento played in eight European Cup finals (6–2 record) (with a "ninth" appearance in the 1970–1971 Cup Winners' Cup final that Real Madrid lost to Chelsea). He holds this record jointly with AC Milan's Paolo Maldini (with an inferior 5–3 record). Gento's legendary Real Madrid teammate, Alfredo Di Stéfano (5–2 record) comes third with 7.
After he retired from football in 1971, he decided to take up coaching. He took charge of various lower-league teams, such as Castilla, Castellón, Palencia, and Granada. In the end, he accepted a post working as an ambassador for Real Madrid throughout Europe.
Gento has two younger brothers called Julio (born in 1939) and Antonio (born in 1940) that also are former footballers and both played for Real Madrid but they were not as successful as their older brother Francisco.
Regarded as one of the greatest Spanish players of all time and one of the greatest ever players in his position, Gento was an extremely fast left-winger, with excellent vision and technical ability, which made him an effective assist provider. In addition to his control and creative ability, he was also a goalscoring threat due to his striking ability from distance.
Real Madrid
Individual
Plus, it gives me a chance to put the best of Real Madrid old and modern on both wings. Ronaldo's versatility and ability to play right wing (arguably better than he does at left wing, honestly) make this pick possible.
5.03 - AML Francisco Gento, Spain, Real Madrid
He débuted in the Primera División with Racing Santander in the 1952–53 season. In the following year, he signed with Real Madrid and became a legendary player of that club, wearing the number 11 shirt.
La Galerna del Cantábrico (The Gale of the Cantabrian Sea), as he was known, played outside-left and was noted not only for having great speed (he could run 100 meters in 11 seconds flat and was almost as quick with a ball at his feet)[citation needed], but also for his skills with the ball and his scoring prowess from the midfield position. He captained a young side, known in Spain as Ye-yé, because of the popularity of The Beatles at that time. He is regarded as one of Spain's greatest players
Among other honors, Gento won the European Cup a record 6 times with Real Madrid (an unmatched record), scoring 30 goals in 89 European Cup career matches. He also played for Spain from 1955 to 1969, winning 43 caps and scoring 5 times.
Gento played in eight European Cup finals (6–2 record) (with a "ninth" appearance in the 1970–1971 Cup Winners' Cup final that Real Madrid lost to Chelsea). He holds this record jointly with AC Milan's Paolo Maldini (with an inferior 5–3 record). Gento's legendary Real Madrid teammate, Alfredo Di Stéfano (5–2 record) comes third with 7.
After he retired from football in 1971, he decided to take up coaching. He took charge of various lower-league teams, such as Castilla, Castellón, Palencia, and Granada. In the end, he accepted a post working as an ambassador for Real Madrid throughout Europe.
Gento has two younger brothers called Julio (born in 1939) and Antonio (born in 1940) that also are former footballers and both played for Real Madrid but they were not as successful as their older brother Francisco.
Regarded as one of the greatest Spanish players of all time and one of the greatest ever players in his position, Gento was an extremely fast left-winger, with excellent vision and technical ability, which made him an effective assist provider. In addition to his control and creative ability, he was also a goalscoring threat due to his striking ability from distance.
Real Madrid
- La Liga (12): 1953–54, 1954–55, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1960–61, 1961–62, 1962–63, 1963–64, 1964–65, 1966–67, 1967–68, 1968–69
- Copa del Rey (2): 1961–62, 1969–70
- European Cup (6): 1955–56, 1956–57, 1957–58, 1958–59, 1959–60, 1965–66
- Intercontinental Cup (1): 1960
- Latin Cup (2): 1955, 1957
Individual
- World Soccer World XI: 1960, 1961, 1962[4]
- Golden Foot Legends Award: 2004[5]
- World Soccer: The 100 Greatest Footballers of All Time
Edit: Typo in lineup
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Brady Marino
Footballguy
charvik
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The thing that's hard for me about using a similar approach is that I can't really tell much about an older player fits into my vision of what a team should look like.
And this is a great example! It doesn't sound like he fits the side I'm putting together, but even if he did how would I know?
I've also seen a few too many pre- 1990s highlights where a player receives the ball in an acre of space. Has a leisurely turn and a casual look around the field. Takes another touch or two and then plays the ball. All with no one shutting him down. It's not obvious to me that a lot of the older players would be able to adjust. That's just my own bias there.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Another fun Gento fact: He was able to run 100 meters in 11 seconds flat while having a ball at his feet. 
charvik
Footballguy
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
So Gento was probably going to be my left sided midfielder and I spent some time in the YouTube rabbit hole looking at clips. What comes through is that he was ridiculously fast. Like knock the ball past the midfielder AND the full back fast. What also comes across is that his final ball was pretty shaky. You could see how he would have been lethal in a team with DiStefano and Puskas, but he definitely had some very rough edges.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
Love the Nilton Santos pick too. It's funny to me that Cafu / Roberto Carlos were picked before him and Djalma.
Eephus
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The Gator
Footballguy
PIK95
Footballguy
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
5.5 Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Forward, Bayern/West Germany
I know him best as Bayern's current obnoxious loudmouth CEO, but before that, he was quite an accomplished player.
A two-time Ballon D'Or winner, he starred for both Bayern and the West German national team in the 80s.
Plus... he's got SEXY KNEES
I know him best as Bayern's current obnoxious loudmouth CEO, but before that, he was quite an accomplished player.
A two-time Ballon D'Or winner, he starred for both Bayern and the West German national team in the 80s.
Complete and versatile is what I like. He'll probably be my nominal #9 but could play anywhere along the forward line. I plan on having pretty fluid movement up front anyway.
Plus... he's got SEXY KNEES
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
Damnit
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
As a boy, my only exposure to European Soccer was Soccer Made In Germany on PBS (with Toby Charles!). So Rummenigge is one of the first World Class players that I remember watching (in truth, at that age I was most likely to get a kick out of Hamburg playing Frankfurt).
jonessed
Footballguy
This is why I skipped out on Didi for my second pick.
As this moves on though I am realizing that everybody has a lot more appreciation and historical knowledge than I thought.
((Morpheus))
Footballguy
I should've left Cafu out of it. Roberto Carlos, on the other hand...It is never funny that Cafu was picked before any back. He literally was a "gamechanger"(ugh), redefining the position, IMHO.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Historical ratings for Roberto Carlos veer all over the map. Yeah, he wasn't the greatest pure defender. He did put a ton of pressure on whoever was on the right side for the other team, so it probably didn't hurt him that much. In this draft, with so much offensive talent, I personally don't care that much if I get a "two-way" fullback. But you could work to build from the flanks and put a bunch of destroyers at CM. I think that would also be a very effective lineup in this type of draft.
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