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money.never.sleeps
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Only thing I could find and not sure if its official.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3180907
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3180907
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money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
AP All-Pro Team
The 2008 NFL All-Pro team as voted by The Associated Press:
Offense:
QB: Tom Brady, Pats
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers
RB: Brian Westbrook, Eagles
FB: Lorenzo Neal, Chargers
WR: Randy Moss, Pats
WR: Terrell Owens, Cowboys
TE: Jason Witten, Cowboys
C: Jeff Saturday, Colts
OT: Matt Light, Pats
OT: Walter Jones, Seahawks
G: Steve Hutchinson, Vikings
G: Alan Faneca, Steelers
Defense:
DE: Patrick Kerney, Seahawks
DE: Jared Allen, Chiefs
DT: Kevin Williams, Vikings
DT: Albert Haynesworth, Titans
LB: Mike Vrabel, Pats
LB: DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys
LB: Lofa Tatupu, Seahawks
LB: Patrick Willis, 49ers
S: Bob Sanders, Colts
S: Ed Reed, Ravens
CB: Antonio Cromartie, Chargers
CB: Asante Samuel, Pats
Special teams:
K: Rob Bironas, Titans
P: Andy Lee, 49ers
KR: Devin Hester, Bears
The 2008 NFL All-Pro team as voted by The Associated Press:
Offense:
QB: Tom Brady, Pats
RB: LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers
RB: Brian Westbrook, Eagles
FB: Lorenzo Neal, Chargers
WR: Randy Moss, Pats
WR: Terrell Owens, Cowboys
TE: Jason Witten, Cowboys
C: Jeff Saturday, Colts
OT: Matt Light, Pats
OT: Walter Jones, Seahawks
G: Steve Hutchinson, Vikings
G: Alan Faneca, Steelers
Defense:
DE: Patrick Kerney, Seahawks
DE: Jared Allen, Chiefs
DT: Kevin Williams, Vikings
DT: Albert Haynesworth, Titans
LB: Mike Vrabel, Pats
LB: DeMarcus Ware, Cowboys
LB: Lofa Tatupu, Seahawks
LB: Patrick Willis, 49ers
S: Bob Sanders, Colts
S: Ed Reed, Ravens
CB: Antonio Cromartie, Chargers
CB: Asante Samuel, Pats
Special teams:
K: Rob Bironas, Titans
P: Andy Lee, 49ers
KR: Devin Hester, Bears
kremenull
Footballguy
Agreed!.....No way Polamalou should have even sniffed the Pro Bowl.....definitely not this season.....he's the poster-boy for overrated......Jax, and about every other team I saw Pitt play, had no problem taking this guy out of the games
He did play hurt most of the year. Either way Faneca made the all-pro team so there’s some flaws in that picking system as well. The whole line played like garbage him included.
dgreen
Footballguy
I don't know. Westbrook only played one more game than Peterson and had about 500 more yards from scrimmage and one less TD.peterson should have made it over westbrook, yea I know
Master of Past and Present
Footballguy
LT and Moss were unanimous and Brady ended up with 49.5 sharing one vote with Favre.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
He has been injured all year, I wouldn't call him overrated, but Pro Bowl should not have been on his resume this year...and it's Polamalu.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Peterson played well, but if you watch any Eagle games, or just pay attention, you'll realize Westbrook is easily the 2nd best, maybe the best, RB in the NFL right now. Peterson could take this next year, but not for 2007.I don't know. Westbrook only played one more game than Peterson and had about 500 more yards from scrimmage and one less TD.peterson should have made it over westbrook, yea I know
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awesomeness
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if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
Phlash
Footballguy
Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
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awesomeness
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Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
FUBAR
Footballguy
We've been through this in another thread. It doesn't surprise me that Hester made it, but Cribbs has been every bit as good this year. They can only take one, so they take the more proven one.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
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awesomeness
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true, it kind of sucks how it usually takes 2-3 years of solid play to get on these lists.We've been through this in another thread. It doesn't surprise me that Hester made it, but Cribbs has been every bit as good this year. They can only take one, so they take the more proven one.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That position is taken already by another safety in Texas.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
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awesomeness
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that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
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exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
Cribbs had better stats. Hester is a better returner. Kicking away from him because of how good he is goes towards being better. This isn't fan voting, they don't get swayed by public opinion or popularity in these. The voting wasn't even close between the two. You'd have an argument if it were, but it wasn't. Better stats does not equal best. There's more to being the top player at your position than having the best stats. You clearly don't understand that or won't accept it, but it's true.exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
FUBAR
Footballguy
You honestly feel the all-pro team is a perfect reflection of the best player at each position, without any possible exception? You honestly believe Allen Faneca was better this year than Logan Mankins? The voting is far from perfect, one person even voted for Leon Washington.Cribbs had better stats. Hester is a better returner. Kicking away from him because of how good he is goes towards being better. This isn't fan voting, they don't get swayed by public opinion or popularity in these. The voting wasn't even close between the two. You'd have an argument if it were, but it wasn't. Better stats does not equal best. There's more to being the top player at your position than having the best stats. You clearly don't understand that or won't accept it, but it's true.exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
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awesomeness
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ok if voting was done in the way that you say it was, why did Antonio Gates not make the team? Same with Urlacher,Champ Bailey and London Fletcher?Cribbs had better stats. Hester is a better returner. Kicking away from him because of how good he is goes towards being better. This isn't fan voting, they don't get swayed by public opinion or popularity in these. The voting wasn't even close between the two. You'd have an argument if it were, but it wasn't. Better stats does not equal best. There's more to being the top player at your position than having the best stats. You clearly don't understand that or won't accept it, but it's true.exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
All Pro is the true barometer of what kind of season or career a player has had. Much more so than Pro Bowl recognition. However, for some reason Pro Football Reference recongizes multiple All Pro teams. I prefer to only recognize the AP team.
For example, for Marvin Harrison
Marvin Harrison
Marvin Daniel Harrison
Position: WR
Height: 6-0 Weight: 175 lbs.
Born: August 25, 1972 in Philadelphia, PA
College: Syracuse
8-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro
Drafted by the Indianapolis Colts in the 1st round 1996 draft
Harrison has had 4 All Pro caliber seasons but is recognized for 8 because some recognize 4-5 WR's per year instead of 2 like the AP.
For example, for Marvin Harrison
Marvin Harrison
Marvin Daniel Harrison
Position: WR
Height: 6-0 Weight: 175 lbs.
Born: August 25, 1972 in Philadelphia, PA
College: Syracuse
8-time Pro Bowler & 8-time All-Pro
Drafted by the Indianapolis Colts in the 1st round 1996 draft
Harrison has had 4 All Pro caliber seasons but is recognized for 8 because some recognize 4-5 WR's per year instead of 2 like the AP.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
The difference between Hester and Cribbs wasn't even close. It's not because of one or two renegade voters.You honestly feel the all-pro team is a perfect reflection of the best player at each position, without any possible exception? You honestly believe Allen Faneca was better this year than Logan Mankins? The voting is far from perfect, one person even voted for Leon Washington.Cribbs had better stats. Hester is a better returner. Kicking away from him because of how good he is goes towards being better. This isn't fan voting, they don't get swayed by public opinion or popularity in these. The voting wasn't even close between the two. You'd have an argument if it were, but it wasn't. Better stats does not equal best. There's more to being the top player at your position than having the best stats. You clearly don't understand that or won't accept it, but it's true.exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't know, I didn't vote. But those people not getting in certainly doesn't bolster the theory that Hester got there on recognition. If it was all about recognition, those guys would've been in. Apparently, the voters thought that others did better at those positions than the guys you named.ok if voting was done in the way that you say it was, why did Antonio Gates not make the team? Same with Urlacher,Champ Bailey and London Fletcher?Cribbs had better stats. Hester is a better returner. Kicking away from him because of how good he is goes towards being better. This isn't fan voting, they don't get swayed by public opinion or popularity in these. The voting wasn't even close between the two. You'd have an argument if it were, but it wasn't. Better stats does not equal best. There's more to being the top player at your position than having the best stats. You clearly don't understand that or won't accept it, but it's true.exactly. Joshua Cribbs was better at returning kicks this year than Devin Hester was.They're voting for the best. You kick away from the best. It's not a slam on Cribb's ability, it's a judgement of who is better. It's not "who has the best stats". If they were just doing it on stats, they wouldn't need any voting. Just look at the stats sheets.that all may be true, but that doesnt change the fact that when the ball was in his hands on a kick returner, he did less than Cribbs did. When choosing players for the ALL-PRO teams, the players that should be selected are those that played the best in that year, not the player that had the largest effect on the games.That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Kevin Williams just made his third All-Pro team...how come this is never mentioned during the draft??
This, of course, is the pick the Vikings used in their famous (infamous) "late to the podium" pick. Looks like they got the last laugh (and didn't have to pay him as much on his rookie contract!).
This, of course, is the pick the Vikings used in their famous (infamous) "late to the podium" pick. Looks like they got the last laugh (and didn't have to pay him as much on his rookie contract!).
dgreen
Footballguy
Which one? Didn't they do that twice?
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
That is the common misconception. The year before, the Cowboys clock ran out and the Vikings tried to get their pick in but the league waited for the Cowboys to complete the trade with the Chiefs so the Chiefs could pick Ryan Sims (thank goodness they didn't let the Vikings pick, they wanted him as well), and the Vikings "had" to pick Bryant McKinnie. Good trade off for the Vikings.
He made second team All Pro.
nxmehta
Footballguy
While I think that Hester is a deserving All-Pro, anyone who watched Browns games this year can tell you that nearly every opponent sacrificed field position by kicking away from Cribbs (whether it be out of bounds, a short kick, etc.). Both on punts and kicks. When you look at average starting field position, CHI is number 1 at 34.43, but CLE is very close at number 3 at 33.31. I think that one yard makes this argument a wash.The main reason why I would argue for Cribbs is his coverage ability in addition to his returning ability. There's no question that you can argue for either Cribbs or Hester for punt/kick returns. But when you look at special teams as a whole, Cribbs is a monster who led the team in special teams tackles (and has for a few years I believe).That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
Again though, I can at least stomach Hester being chosen. But the football fan and
in me thinks that Cribbs should have got the nod.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
FWIW, Mike Golic commented that the KR slot could have gone to Cribbs. The other possible change he discussed was Reggie Wayne vs. TO.While I think that Hester is a deserving All-Pro, anyone who watched Browns games this year can tell you that nearly every opponent sacrificed field position by kicking away from Cribbs (whether it be out of bounds, a short kick, etc.). Both on punts and kicks. I don't have the raw numbers for how Hester and Cribbs compare on this, but I'm sure they are very close.The main reason why I would argue for Cribbs is his coverage ability in addition to his returning ability. There's no question that you can argue for either Cribbs or Hester for punt/kick returns. But when you look at special teams as a whole, Cribbs is a monster who led the team in special teams tackles (and has for a few years I believe).That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
Again though, I can at least stomach Hester being chosen. But the football fan and
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I can agree with you on a lot of that, but the All Pro nod is for Kick Returner. They don't have a Special Teams player like the Pro Bowl.While I think that Hester is a deserving All-Pro, anyone who watched Browns games this year can tell you that nearly every opponent sacrificed field position by kicking away from Cribbs (whether it be out of bounds, a short kick, etc.). Both on punts and kicks. When you look at average starting field position, CHI is number 1 at 34.43, but CLE is very close at number 3 at 33.31. I think that one yard makes this argument a wash.The main reason why I would argue for Cribbs is his coverage ability in addition to his returning ability. There's no question that you can argue for either Cribbs or Hester for punt/kick returns. But when you look at special teams as a whole, Cribbs is a monster who led the team in special teams tackles (and has for a few years I believe).That's a very stats oriented way of looking at it, and it was covered in other threads. But teams changed their offensive and kicking philosophies around Hester. His affect on the game wasn't restricted to the kicks that he returned. It was felt when almost every single game, teams sacrificed field position to keep the ball away from him. Short kicks, KOs that went out of bounds, or to the up men at the 30 yard line. There's no doubt Cribbs is a very good returner, but his affect on the game isn't anywhere near what Hester's is. Yet.Devin Hester: 43 Kick off returns, 934 yards, 21.7 avg, 2 TDs.Joshua Cribbs: 59 Kick off returns, 1809 yards, 30.7 avg, 2 Tds.Seriously? Why?if it makes you feel any better, i would take Cribbs to be my teams kic returner over Hester.What about Cribss for the KR!
Again though, I can at least stomach Hester being chosen. But the football fan and
