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[Rick James]

Another atrocious "defenseless receiver" call in the Philly game.

 

[joecarterfan]

Another atrocious "defenseless receiver" call in the Philly game.

I agree

 

[urbanhack]

OK.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

This is what Heir Goddell has caused

 

[The Big Guy]

Maybe players will relearn how to tackle and not go for the killshot in the future. That would be a treat, watching a defender who can wrap up a player and tackle him, rather then going for a spear and a strip (leading with their helmet)

 

[simmonjm]

Only a matter of time until players start faking injuries like in soccer to draw flag

 

[mizat000]

Hope Collie is alright though.. Classic philly fans booing the call when the guy is down not moving.. bad call probably but that ain't right.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Hope Collie is alright though.. Classic philly fans booing the call when the guy is down not moving.. bad call probably but that ain't right.

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

x 2

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

 

[southeastjerome]

Only a matter of time until players start faking injuries like in soccer to draw flag

Already been done by Brady.

 

[Osaurus]

Flopping will no doubt make the game more exciting.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Love Peyton thumbing his nose at Philly and going immediately to Blair White, who replaced Collie. Good stuff!

 

[mizat000]

I doubt the Eagles cb intentionally tried to hit him helmet to helmet but I guess that doesn't matter under this rule. Collie was hit by the first cb into the 2nd cb who had already started diving at him. It's a violent game... what can you say?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

I doubt the Eagles cb intentionally tried to hit him helmet to helmet but I guess that doesn't matter under this rule. Collie was hit by the first cb into the 2nd cb who had already started diving at him. It's a violent game... what can you say?

Completely agree, but the flag doesn't surprise me.

 

[Twilight]

They are just treat a HTH hit like an unintentional facemask now. Intentions don't matter, only the fact it happened. Coleman hit Collie HTH. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Collie was trying to steel himself against the hit by the other defender and put himself into a horrible position for Coleman. But he still got hit HTH, and that now results in 15 yards, and is going to from now on. Deal with it.

 

[Jack Burton]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

all you need to know

 

[Rick James]

philly was both a victim and a beneficiary of a terrible call this year (Austin Collie, Desean jackson)

 

[dotman]

They are just treat a HTH hit like an unintentional facemask now. Intentions don't matter, only the fact it happened. Coleman hit Collie HTH. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Collie was trying to steel himself against the hit by the other defender and put himself into a horrible position for Coleman. But he still got hit HTH, and that now results in 15 yards, and is going to from now on. Deal with it.

Actually, the call on the field was unnecessary roughness on a DEFENSELESS RECIEVER. Never before in the NFL has a guy who catches the ball, turns forward and tucks it into his gut with both arms and lowered his shoulders been a defenseless receiver. Either the rules are changing in the NFL, or that was a terrible call that resulted in a TD for the Colts that wouldn't have happened. Deal with it.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless. With that said, I think this play was a little bad luck. There are injuries in football, you'll never stop that. I don't like helmet to helmet shots but this isn't one of them.This is a physical game.

 

[SWC]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

all you need to know

escept by the league office you are wrong because his second foot wasn't down so he hadn't caught the ball but i;m sure youll tell us how that's wrong and b.s. and howyou played h.s. football while Austin lies motionless on a stretcher stay classy!

 

[Stillers Jr.]

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless.

Huh?

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

all you need to know

escept by the league office you are wrong because his second foot wasn't down so he hadn't caught the ball but i;m sure youll tell us how that's wrong and b.s. and howyou played h.s. football while Austin lies motionless on a stretcher stay classy!

Yeah, if he had both feet down, then shouldn't that have been a fumble? They called it incomplete. FWIW.

 

[mad sweeney]

Hope Collie is alright though.. Classic philly fans booing the call when the guy is down not moving.. bad call probably but that ain't right.

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

x 2

X -2.No helmet to helmet from either defender. They just showed it repeatedly on the halftime show and the second guy never touches Collie's helmet.

 

[SWC]

Hope Collie is alright though.. Classic philly fans booing the call when the guy is down not moving.. bad call probably but that ain't right.

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

x 2

X -2.No helmet to helmet from either defender. They just showed it repeatedly on the halftime show and the second guy never touches Collie's helmet.

if you can watch this
and tellme that, let me refer you to any eye doctor.

the big clue is the second guys helmet bouncing away as it hits collies helmet.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless.

Huh?

LOL thanks, let me explain more in English.The 2nd foot of the receiver was not down......not the 2nd football.There's a rule in the NFL that the 2nd foot of the receiver must come down and then the receiver is not ruled "defenseless", Collie did not have his 2nd foot down yet and was "defenseless."

 

[mizat000]

From the NFL Rule Book :

"12-2-8-h Defenseless Receiver [unnecessary roughness] includes ... f a receiver has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself, a defensive player is prohibited from launching (springing forward and upward) into him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm to forcibly strike the receiver’s head or neck area—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm is lower than the receiver’s neck."

The question is whether the 2nd defensive player did or did not "launch" ("spring forward and upward") into Collie. I would argue that because Collie dropped lower after the 1st hit, it wasn't an forward/upward sort of tackle like one in which a player aims for the upper chest area and the momentum of the hit carried him upwards into the player's helmet. Either way, it's a tough call to make. After seeing Collie lie motionless on the ground, the refs might have overreacted on par with the NFL's new dangerous hit agenda.

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Hope Collie is alright though.. Classic philly fans booing the call when the guy is down not moving.. bad call probably but that ain't right.

That was a helmet to helmet hit from the 2nd Eagles defender. Those are going to draw penalties. Get used to it.

x 2

X -2.No helmet to helmet from either defender. They just showed it repeatedly on the halftime show and the second guy never touches Collie's helmet.

if you can watch this

I see possession and a fumble...and I also see a H2H hit by the 2nd defender albeit not intentional. It should have been a fumble and a personal foul (since they threw the flag) but Eagles ball. It was not an incomplete pass.

 

[dotman]

The Colts look ready for the World Cup. Can't let the punters hurt their bums without a penalty!

 

[SWC]

hey that's great my post was in response to a guy who said the helmets never touched which was just totally nutsand now he's lost credibility and my post never adressed possession or fumble, athough the nfl has already said his second foot wasn't down at the time of the funble so according to them you are wrong if the hit caused the bal to come loose

 

[mad sweeney]

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless.

Huh?

LOL thanks, let me explain more in English.The 2nd foot of the receiver was not down......not the 2nd football.There's a rule in the NFL that the 2nd foot of the receiver must come down and then the receiver is not ruled "defenseless", Collie did not have his 2nd foot down yet and was "defenseless."

I'm wrong. I didn't notice that they hit side to side with helmets. But he didn't lead with it, hit with the shoulder almost instantaneously. Clean play.

 

[j3r3m3y]

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless.

Huh?

LOL thanks, let me explain more in English.The 2nd foot of the receiver was not down......not the 2nd football.There's a rule in the NFL that the 2nd foot of the receiver must come down and then the receiver is not ruled "defenseless", Collie did not have his 2nd foot down yet and was "defenseless."

You are completely wrong. Watch the play please.

 

[dotman]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

all you need to know

escept by the league office you are wrong because his second foot wasn't down so he hadn't caught the ball but i;m sure youll tell us how that's wrong and b.s. and howyou played h.s. football while Austin lies motionless on a stretcher stay classy!

Collie took 3 steps with the ball in both his hands. How many do you need for a catch? I didn't play football in high school.

 

[Cleo Taurus]

They are just treat a HTH hit like an unintentional facemask now. Intentions don't matter, only the fact it happened. Coleman hit Collie HTH. I seriously doubt it was intentional. Collie was trying to steel himself against the hit by the other defender and put himself into a horrible position for Coleman. But he still got hit HTH, and that now results in 15 yards, and is going to from now on. Deal with it.

So I can just make sure my facemask hits your hand so I can draw a penalty? Seriously?I get your point, but you can't compare the two. If you grab the facemask, it's a penalty. Period.If you have a HTH, it is not always a penalty.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

They also penalized the Raiders for "more than one player jumping into the stands".

Only a matter of time until players start faking injuries like in soccer to draw flag

Funny thing is that there's far fewer rules and controversies, and therefore stoppages in play, in professional soccer games. You can watch an entire match in 2 hours flat. I can't think of a sport that requires you know so many penalties and fouls and exceptions to penalties and fouls as the NFL now does. It's a lawyer's wet dream but it's crap to watch anymore.

 

[SWC]

Once be has possession and is a runner that 'hit' is allowed to happen. The receiver caught the ball and changed HIS level causing this. That penalty was BS

all you need to know

escept by the league office you are wrong because his second foot wasn't down so he hadn't caught the ball but i;m sure youll tell us how that's wrong and b.s. and howyou played h.s. football while Austin lies motionless on a stretcher stay classy!

Collie took 3 steps with the ball in both his hands. How many do you need for a catch? I didn't play football in high school.

call the league office and tell them all about it and let us know if they care but I bet they don't because they said the second foot hadn't come down.i agree with you he had more the just two steps though, for whatever its worth, butit isn'tworth anything because i don't call the games or levy the fines.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

 

[delusional]

it was a horse #### call on the collie hit, plain and simple.

not to mention the numerous calls in that game

 

[j3r3m3y]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

Or remove all protective gear. I played Rugby in high school and when you are tackling someone and neither of you are wearing pads you tackle differently.

 

[mo542]

From the NFL Rule Book :

"12-2-8-h Defenseless Receiver [unnecessary roughness] includes ... f a receiver has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself, a defensive player is prohibited from launching (springing forward and upward) into him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm to forcibly strike the receiver’s head or neck area—even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm is lower than the receiver’s neck."

The question is whether the 2nd defensive player did or did not "launch" ("spring forward and upward") into Collie. I would argue that because Collie dropped lower after the 1st hit, it wasn't an forward/upward sort of tackle like one in which a player aims for the upper chest area and the momentum of the hit carried him upwards into the player's helmet. Either way, it's a tough call to make. After seeing Collie lie motionless on the ground, the refs might have overreacted on par with the NFL's new dangerous hit agenda.

I think he did protect himself. He caught the ball, got two feet down, and lowered his shoulder. Just because it looked bad, doesn't mean the rules were broken. I think this is a good example of why you cannot legislate hard hits out of the game. IMO, there was nothing wrong and it was a call that changed the momentum of the game.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

Or remove all protective gear. I played Rugby in high school and when you are tackling someone and neither of you are wearing pads you tackle differently.

This is the solution, but they'll never go with it. It's too radical and not obvious.

 

[ponchsox]

The refs overreacted and blew the call. He wasn't a defenseless receiver. They are supposed to throw the flags on headhunters, not defenders doing their job.

This is very similar to NBA refs calling fouls on flops.

 

[delusional]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

Or remove all protective gear. I played Rugby in high school and when you are tackling someone and neither of you are wearing pads you tackle differently.

This is the solution, but they'll never go with it. It's too radical and not obvious.

and it wouldnt be called football anymore

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

The game has become too fast. It's only a matter of time before somebody dies on the field. Either make them wear helmets made of pillows or have everyone carry a 25LB bag of weights on their back to slow down the action.

Or remove all protective gear. I played Rugby in high school and when you are tackling someone and neither of you are wearing pads you tackle differently.

This is the solution, but they'll never go with it. It's too radical and not obvious.

and it wouldnt be called football anymore

Why not? That's how the game started, didn't it? Almost all of the pads and uniforms and rules we're talking about were added later.

 

[bleachercreacher]

That was an awful call. The defender did not launch or lead with the top of his helmet. Collie absolutely was not defenseless as he ducked his head when he saw the contact coming. The flag came very late and was a result of the outcome of the play. These refs are scared to not throw the flag when something like this happens, because they don't want to see someone get fined for a hit that wasn't flagged. I'm interested to see if this gets a fine or not.

This is football and #### happens. These players get compensated millions of dollars for the known risks they take. Someone launching and leading with the top of their helmet should be dealt with sternly, but hits like these are just good clean football. For everyone that saw the NFL video on clean/dirty hits, I think this hit was cleaner than the Ray Lewis hit shown on the video.

 

[jon_mx]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

...Oh, I get it, you're trying to be sarcastic, hip and dismissive. Cool.

 

[jon_mx]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

...Oh, I get it, you're trying to be sarcastic, hip and dismissive. Cool.

You are quick.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

The 2nd football of the receiver was not down, that's ruled defenseless.

Huh?

LOL thanks, let me explain more in English.The 2nd foot of the receiver was not down......not the 2nd football.There's a rule in the NFL that the 2nd foot of the receiver must come down and then the receiver is not ruled "defenseless", Collie did not have his 2nd foot down yet and was "defenseless."

I'm wrong. I didn't notice that they hit side to side with helmets. But he didn't lead with it, hit with the shoulder almost instantaneously. Clean play.

Without all the crazy rules in the NFL, if you just watched the play, the play looked clean. Then again, I thought Calvin Johnson caught a TD pass to win the game against the Bears earlier this year too.They hit helmets, I agree he didn't lead with it but they did hit and I think the WR was in the "defenseless" position, meaning the two feet were not down while he had possession. So whatever the league wants to do with that.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is probably the first questionable officiating call in the history of football. I don't think football can withstand these kind of controversies. But we shall see....And BTW, Philly fans still suck.

Best fans in all of sports. And they're in your head! Wouldn't have it any other way. Hahahaha