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Amari Cooper v Mike Evans v Keenan Allen (2 Viewers)
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SameSongNDance
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Pretty much this. I have them projected to see similar target totals, catch rates, YPC and etc. The real discernible difference is that Evans saw 18 RZ targets last year where as Cooper saw 7.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Cooper, Evans, Allen.
Its close though. I just think Cooper is a special talent. Evans is perhaps the biggest WR in the NFL.
Keenan doesn't have the elite upside in terms of talent but gets a million targets. Benjamin may change that a bit especially with Keenan's propensity for getting injured.
Its close though. I just think Cooper is a special talent. Evans is perhaps the biggest WR in the NFL.
Keenan doesn't have the elite upside in terms of talent but gets a million targets. Benjamin may change that a bit especially with Keenan's propensity for getting injured.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Evans, Cooper, Allen for me. Watkins between Cooper and Allen.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
Evans camp and games might have jumped him to top
evans, allen, cooper for me
evans, allen, cooper for me
abbottjamesr
Footballguy
Allen, Evans..............Cooper
I like Allen the best of the three this year but its very close with Evans. The chargers are going to be behind a lot this year and Allen will be the beneficiary. I think 130 receptions is possible and given that many touches the TD's will come. I think Evans improves on last season in the TD's and some on the yards. I have them ranked 8 and 9 on my board separated by .1 ppg. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for taking Evans over Allen.
I don't think the Oakland offense is as good as people are projecting and I think Crabtree is better than he is getting credit for. Cooper is WR15 on my board with a modest improvement over last year but a full 1 ppg behind Allen and Evans.
I like Allen the best of the three this year but its very close with Evans. The chargers are going to be behind a lot this year and Allen will be the beneficiary. I think 130 receptions is possible and given that many touches the TD's will come. I think Evans improves on last season in the TD's and some on the yards. I have them ranked 8 and 9 on my board separated by .1 ppg. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for taking Evans over Allen.
I don't think the Oakland offense is as good as people are projecting and I think Crabtree is better than he is getting credit for. Cooper is WR15 on my board with a modest improvement over last year but a full 1 ppg behind Allen and Evans.
CabinFever
Footballguy
Evans or Cooper (could almost flip a coin, Evans more TD upside, Cooper more catches in a PPR), then Allen for me. I worry about that SD offense this year...
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Hey, can you expand on this. I'm all in on his talent but I don't see how he could see the kind of volume to compete with Evans/Cooper/Allen with Roman as the OC. Plus of course, there's the injury history.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Im talking from a dynasty perspective sorry. Just noticed this thread wasnt geared towards that.
Dizzy
Footballguy
I'm in agreement with Sabertooth. Of these 3 I think Cooper has the best chance to be that special guy that jumps to the top-tier with Brown/Julio/ODB. Real solid rookie season, and that was with a bad wheel? Another year in the system, tight with a good QB... I give him the nod with the others a not-so-distant 2nd, with Allen getting the edge over Evans in PPR.
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SameSongNDance
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Cooper did manage a 6/120/2 stat line vs. GB in December last year which is when OAK said they were contemplating shutting him down. I have no doubt that the foot injury bothered him however as witnessed by his catchless game the week before despite him seeing 8 targets.
If you discount the final month and extrapolate September through October you're looking at a 82/1227/5.5 stat line which actually looks to be in line with a lot of projections. I don't doubt Cooper can improve given his talent but again the lack of RZ work is a bit concerning. Yes, TDs are fluky to an extent but if one guy sees 20 RZ targets and the other 10 I think it's safe to assume the former will score more TDs.
Also, something to keep in mind. Cooper and Evans were credited with 10 drops each last year, tied for 2nd with Ted ####### Ginn. I think we can expect a positive regression from them (not Ginn) in that department.
If you discount the final month and extrapolate September through October you're looking at a 82/1227/5.5 stat line which actually looks to be in line with a lot of projections. I don't doubt Cooper can improve given his talent but again the lack of RZ work is a bit concerning. Yes, TDs are fluky to an extent but if one guy sees 20 RZ targets and the other 10 I think it's safe to assume the former will score more TDs.
Also, something to keep in mind. Cooper and Evans were credited with 10 drops each last year, tied for 2nd with Ted ####### Ginn. I think we can expect a positive regression from them (not Ginn) in that department.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Gopher State
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Keith1
Footballguy
Not sure how much stock you guys put into Gray's Strength of Schedule, but NO ONE has a worse schedule for WR's than Tampa Bay. Not saying it is the decisive factor here, but when things are close (as it is between these 3 WRs), it is a factor (for me at least).
Personally my order (in PPR) would be Allen, Cooper, Evans.
Personally my order (in PPR) would be Allen, Cooper, Evans.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Cooper
Evans
Allen
Evans
Allen
higgins
Footballguy
Is the context redraft or dynasty? Because if it's dynasty K. Allen (whom I majorly like) should get a red flag (relatively speaking) on just the age of his QB. The other 2 have good up-and-coming QB's that will keep their production in the upper tiers for a long time to come.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think strength of schedule is more of a detriment for RBs. Pittsburgh had an extremely difficult schedule last year, and look what Antonio Brown did. Now, Mike Evans might not be Antonio Brown, but while that tough schedule doesn't help, I think he is good enough to where I am not bumping him down at all because of it.
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Evans, Allen, Cooper.
I think we saw what Allen could be last year and it was pretty good. Not a td freak but a ppr demon. He is the realized version of what people hope Cooper will be.
I don't understand the excitement for Cooper over Evans from some people. Cooper had a nice rookie year but Evans is only one year removed from his rookie year and his was better while playing with a bad Mccown and an average Glennon. People are quick to bring up Cooper's bum wheel (a valid point) but nobody brings up how Evans had one too to start the season. He missed valuable preseason time with Winston, missed game 1, and was basically a decoy in game 2. Those 1200 yards are in 14 games.
Evans has Julio Jones type upside. His ascension to elite the fantasy elite last year was derailed by early injury,a rookie QB learning the game, and (most importantly) by him disappointing based on our expectations. Get him while he's cheap, it's going to be a party this year.
I think we saw what Allen could be last year and it was pretty good. Not a td freak but a ppr demon. He is the realized version of what people hope Cooper will be.
I don't understand the excitement for Cooper over Evans from some people. Cooper had a nice rookie year but Evans is only one year removed from his rookie year and his was better while playing with a bad Mccown and an average Glennon. People are quick to bring up Cooper's bum wheel (a valid point) but nobody brings up how Evans had one too to start the season. He missed valuable preseason time with Winston, missed game 1, and was basically a decoy in game 2. Those 1200 yards are in 14 games.
Evans has Julio Jones type upside. His ascension to elite the fantasy elite last year was derailed by early injury,a rookie QB learning the game, and (most importantly) by him disappointing based on our expectations. Get him while he's cheap, it's going to be a party this year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
IMO this is a 2 receiver discussion.
I think Cooper is severely overrated this year.
Allen is a PPR machine, while Evans is probably the most complete player for any format.
i put Sammy Watkins ahead of the other two in fact and he has much lower ADP.
I think Cooper is severely overrated this year.
Allen is a PPR machine, while Evans is probably the most complete player for any format.
i put Sammy Watkins ahead of the other two in fact and he has much lower ADP.
matuski
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Co sign.Moonshine said:
massraider
Footballguy
Also, IF the Raiders do play decent defense, and can run the ball, they will.
If Del Rio can pound teams into submission, he will. So if things go well, not a guarantee, the Raiders will have Carr not throw 40 times a game. Just a thought. The front office has been praised for smart free agency, but they have spent like drunken sailors on massive O linemen.
If Del Rio can pound teams into submission, he will. So if things go well, not a guarantee, the Raiders will have Carr not throw 40 times a game. Just a thought. The front office has been praised for smart free agency, but they have spent like drunken sailors on massive O linemen.
spider321
Footballguy
So the guy who had 72 receptions, over 1,000 yards receiving, and a trip to Hawaii in his first season in the NFL, while playing through plantar fasciitis AND a mid-season quad injury, is severely overrated?Hot Sauce Guy said:
lol. ...and that's not a snarky "lol". That's an honest to goodness I audibly chuckled when I read your post "lol".
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Hot Sauce Guy
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As a WR taken in the early 2nd ahead of more proven commodities, yes.
Wasnt being snarky at all.
we're all entitled to our opinions.
That one is mine.
spider321
Footballguy
I know you weren't being snarky.
I just wanted it to be clear that I literally laughed at your take on Cooper.
No offense.
MrSoup
Footballguy
Amari Cooper - In my opinion, one of the best route runners in the NFL already. As a 21 year old rookie, posted a 72/1070/6 line on 130 targets. And he did all that with plantar fasciitis. I think it says a lot about him as a player that he continued to play through injury. I wouldn't shy away from projecting 90/1300/10 this year. I feel he has the skill set, situation, and attitude to be the top dog in the NFL sooner than later. He's my personal WR8 in 2016.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Offense taken.I know you weren't being snarky.
I just wanted it to be clear that I literally laughed at your take on Cooper.
No offense.
thanks for disrespecting my opinion & openly mocking me.
welcome to my ignore list.
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spider321
Footballguy
Oh, don't be like that.
We're all wrong sometimes.
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Take me back!!!
You. Complete. Me.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like him - I see your projection as his absolute ceiling if everything breaks right.
a lot of variables have him ranked below Alllen & Evans (this topic's context) and I also have him below Watkins and Marshall, Jeffery (if healthy) and 1/2 a dozen other WRs.
IF the new OL gels, and IF Carr takes the steps forward and IF Cooper's foot holds up, and IF the Raiders D isn't better, then yes - I could see those numbers.
but the raiders want to run more, Cooper'a foot is a risk, and the numbers you're projecting would be a massive leap forward.
I have him closer to 90/1100/7 this year - a fine season., but not worthy of a top 17 pick, which is where I see him going.
again, just one man's opinion. I can see his upside and love the player - I just think he needs to prove it for another year before I annoint him.
If you own shares, I hope he hits those numbers and proves me wrong.
Cheers
ETA: updated my projection to 7 TD. Was a bit too modest. I'd still like him a lot more as a 3rd rounder than an early second. I think he's being drafted at his ceiling value. Anything short of your projections and he's a disappointment.
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