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[PMENFAN]

Read this brilliant quote re: Culpepper on a Dolphins board and absolutely had to share:

He has no accuracy, I need to buy a widescreen TV just to see the WR and ball in the same frame. His decision making is on par with a middle schooler trying to impress his friends.

There are a ton of Vikings fans that used to say the same thing. You probably noticed last night, that if Culpepper is under pressure (either via pass rush or to come from behind in the closing minutes), he makes poor decisions, takes sacks, throws interceptions, and sometimes fumbles. I lived in Minnesota during the Culpepper years and can tell you that watching the game was just like watching a Vikings game the past few years.Culpepper and Chambers will get their TDs, but the Dolphins will still struggle to make it to 10-6.

Take a look at the 'Fins schedule. They've got a pretty easy schedule, and should be able to sleepwalk to 9, and should get to 10. To judge their season on a performance against the defending champs is insane. It's one game, in week 1 for goodness sake. Were the Pats done last year when the Chargers took them out, what was it like 41-10 or something? Or the Steelers when the Pats beat them in Pittsburgh the week before that debackle to SD in Foxboro? It's early. Making a call on the season after 4 quarters is foolish. They got the Bills and Jets, that's 4. They've got the Titans, Packers and Vikings at Home, so that's 7. So, they've only got to win any 3 of their remaining home games agianst the Chiefs, Jags or Pats (no chance on this one) OR five road games against Houston (probably a win, so that's 8), Pats, Bears, Lions (possiblility), or Colts. I can see them getting on a roll and hitting 10. I don't see them catching the Pats for the division, but winning builds confidence, and their coming schedule sets up for just that to happen. I expect them to be 3-1 when they face the Pats for the division lead on 10/1.

 

[PMENFAN]

IF Culpepper is so bad, what happened in 2004? Moss was out/less than 100% most of the year, and CPepp had one of the great seasons in the history of football for a QB. I'll tell you what happened. MInnesota had solid line play, which leads to a running game, and time to progress through the reads, which leads to solid QB play. All good teams have solid O-Line play. It was the undoing in NE last season. It was the undoing in Indi against Pittsburgh last year. It will the reason Seattle slides back this season. It will be the reason Arizona cannot make the leap everybody predicts this season. They have weapons galore, but nobody to keep the Dlinemen off of them. All good offenses start on the oline. It is the reason Miami could not get it going last night. They were consistently dominated in the trenches. It is a weak spot on their team. I don't think their line is that bad, but they were up against an elite unit last night. Let's see them over the next 3 weeks against sub par units before passing judgement.

 

[ydub]

Calm down folks.....Let's NOT forget the defense Culpepper was dealing with OR the state of the Miami O-Line!

There were at least 3 plays where Culpepper was SHOCKED to have more than 2 seconds to stand in the pocket.

He looked good and as soon as he feels like he can trust his O-Line and his legs, he'll be back to great.

There were at least 20 more when I was SHOCKED at the amount of time he had to manuever and find an open guy (there were plenty).

 

[ydub]

Read this brilliant quote re: Culpepper on a Dolphins board and absolutely had to share:

He has no accuracy, I need to buy a widescreen TV just to see the WR and ball in the same frame. His decision making is on par with a middle schooler trying to impress his friends.

There are a ton of Vikings fans that used to say the same thing. You probably noticed last night, that if Culpepper is under pressure (either via pass rush or to come from behind in the closing minutes), he makes poor decisions, takes sacks, throws interceptions, and sometimes fumbles. I lived in Minnesota during the Culpepper years and can tell you that watching the game was just like watching a Vikings game the past few years.Culpepper and Chambers will get their TDs, but the Dolphins will still struggle to make it to 10-6.

Take a look at the 'Fins schedule. They've got a pretty easy schedule, and should be able to sleepwalk to 9, and should get to 10. To judge their season on a performance against the defending champs is insane. It's one game, in week 1 for goodness sake. Were the Pats done last year when the Chargers took them out, what was it like 41-10 or something? Or the Steelers when the Pats beat them in Pittsburgh the week before that debackle to SD in Foxboro? It's early. Making a call on the season after 4 quarters is foolish. They got the Bills and Jets, that's 4. They've got the Titans, Packers and Vikings at Home, so that's 7. So, they've only got to win any 3 of their remaining home games agianst the Chiefs, Jags or Pats (no chance on this one) OR five road games against Houston (probably a win, so that's 8), Pats, Bears, Lions (possiblility), or Colts. I can see them getting on a roll and hitting 10. I don't see them catching the Pats for the division, but winning builds confidence, and their coming schedule sets up for just that to happen. I expect them to be 3-1 when they face the Pats for the division lead on 10/1.

At this point, the road games against the Bills/Jets and home games against the Packers/Vikings are far from locks. And let's face it, when your defense allows Chaz Batch to look like the second coming of Johnny U...that might be the sign of a larger problem.

 

[AmpLee]

Calm down folks.....Let's NOT forget the defense Culpepper was dealing with OR the state of the Miami O-Line! There were at least 3 plays where Culpepper was SHOCKED to have more than 2 seconds to stand in the pocket.He looked good and as soon as he feels like he can trust his O-Line and his legs, he'll be back to great.

Good point.....While I didn't think Culpepper looked that good, the thing I took away from the game was how bad the Miami O-line looked especially early on...... Their run blocking was abysmal and Culpepper was getting no time to throw.... As the game progressed the O-Line did seem to give Culpepper more time, but the Steelers secondary did a great job on the Miami recievers...I still think Miami is a playoff team, but I think we need to give Culpepper and the offense a few games to really gel.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I didn't think he looked that bad considering the situation (vs. great defense on the road, 1st game back from injury).He made a great touch pass to Welker near the right sideline that led to a big gainer. Welker ran with it, but that's only because Culpepper threw a perfect ball.He moved in the pocket well, which helped him complete a couple, like the one that Booker then took for 50. Again, Booker ran with it, but that play doesn't happen without a good throw on the run from Culpepper.In the red zone series when he threw a few times, I thought Chambers should have had the first throw for a TD. The DB made a nice play, but only because Chambers didn't catch the ball cleanly to begin with.Later, on the throw that was almost intercepted, I thought Madden got it wrong when he said Culpepper was trying to throw it away. He threw it before Chambers broke, and thought he would break to the back of the end zone. Instead, Chambers squared off his break, so it looked like a bad pass. I don't think it was a bad pass, it was just a case of Culpepper and Chambers not having the familiarity or one of them making the wrong read.Anyway, his crew of receivers (Chambers, Booker, Welker, McMichael, and Brown) look good. His schedule looks good. Most likely, he'll improve as he shakes the rust and gains confidence in the knee. If his owner in your league panics, I'd say buy low.(And I don't own him in any league.)

The ball that hit Chambers in the hands was all Chambers fault.

That ball was thrown way too hard. It was a short distance and Chambers was just coming out of his break. I'm not saying that it was impossible to catch, but I would bet that the Owens. Harrisons, and S.Smith's of the world would come up with that catch less than 50% of the time.

I disagree. While I thought that the ball could have been thrown a little more to Chambers outside right shoulder... that ball was catchable.

 

[Darth Cheney]

My question to the Culpepper doomsayers is........

What did you expect from him last night?

 

[Darth Cheney]

Read this brilliant quote re: Culpepper on a Dolphins board and absolutely had to share:

He has no accuracy, I need to buy a widescreen TV just to see the WR and ball in the same frame. His decision making is on par with a middle schooler trying to impress his friends.

There are a ton of Vikings fans that used to say the same thing. You probably noticed last night, that if Culpepper is under pressure (either via pass rush or to come from behind in the closing minutes), he makes poor decisions, takes sacks, throws interceptions, and sometimes fumbles. I lived in Minnesota during the Culpepper years and can tell you that watching the game was just like watching a Vikings game the past few years.Culpepper and Chambers will get their TDs, but the Dolphins will still struggle to make it to 10-6.

Take a look at the 'Fins schedule. They've got a pretty easy schedule, and should be able to sleepwalk to 9, and should get to 10. To judge their season on a performance against the defending champs is insane. It's one game, in week 1 for goodness sake. Were the Pats done last year when the Chargers took them out, what was it like 41-10 or something? Or the Steelers when the Pats beat them in Pittsburgh the week before that debackle to SD in Foxboro? It's early. Making a call on the season after 4 quarters is foolish. They got the Bills and Jets, that's 4. They've got the Titans, Packers and Vikings at Home, so that's 7. So, they've only got to win any 3 of their remaining home games agianst the Chiefs, Jags or Pats (no chance on this one) OR five road games against Houston (probably a win, so that's 8), Pats, Bears, Lions (possiblility), or Colts. I can see them getting on a roll and hitting 10. I don't see them catching the Pats for the division, but winning builds confidence, and their coming schedule sets up for just that to happen. I expect them to be 3-1 when they face the Pats for the division lead on 10/1.

At this point, the road games against the Bills/Jets and home games against the Packers/Vikings are far from locks. And let's face it, when your defense allows Chaz Batch to look like the second coming of Johnny U...that might be the sign of a larger problem.

From a fantasy perspective wouldn't that be a good thing for Culpepper?

 

[mbuehner]

18 for 27, 262y, 0 td, 2 ints

18 for 30, 223y, 1 td, 2 ints

Which one was Culpepper last night, which one was Jake Plummer in the AFC championship game against the Steelers D?

Relax, it was just one game against a really good defense.

 

[Warpig]

It seems Culpepper is the type of player that FF players love or hateI was smart enough to play Warner over him

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.You may have just jinxed yourself.Warner will get concussed on the 3rd play of the game.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

The Steelers D at home has a way of making anyone look bad. Let's wait at least until week 2 before pushing the panic button.

 

[JayMan]

there's plenty of reason to cut him some slack too. Coming back from injury, new team, playing the SB champs at home opening night. He will be able to move the ball pretty easily against most defenses.

How much slack do you give him? Someone can stash him on the bench for a few weeks, but when do you drop him and take a shot at a Rivers or Brad Johnson or whoever is on the WW? One game is no doubt too small of a sample, but given the 2005 string of debacles, I'm not sure I'd be as patient with him as others.

Culpepper wasn't nearly as bad as people think he was last year.He had two excellent games, where he averaged 28.3 FP/G

He had two slightly below average games, but they were against the Bears and the Bucs.

He had two average games, against Cincinnati and Atlanta.

Culpepper had the second hardest schedule in the league last year, slightly behind Brad Johnson and tied with Joey Harrington. You know how they did. Culpepper averaged more FP/G than Eli Manning last year.

+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| WK OPP | CMP ATT PYD TD INT | RSH YD TD |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| 1 tam | 22 33 233 0 3 | 3 19 0 || 2 cin | 21 37 236 0 5 | 2 10 1 || 3 nor | 21 29 300 3 0 | 9 35 0 || 4 atl | 23 34 250 1 2 | 1 10 0 || 6 chi | 26 48 237 0 2 | 1 14 0 || 7 gnb | 23 31 280 2 0 | 7 41 0 || 8 car | 3 4 28 0 0 | 1 18 0 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+| TOTAL | 139 216 1564 6 12 | 24 147 1 |+----------+--------------------------+----------------+This is a very good point you are making Chase... you can clearly see that he helped his FF team against the Saints and Packers...I think that you need to say that the scoring system doesn't substract points for Ints though (I would think!)... because this would have made the 4 other games: below average in my opinion...

As mentioned in this thread... I think the bitterness comes from the fact that owners had to grab him with their 1st (or 2nd) round pick in last year's draft... and he helped their team for only 2 weeks...

As for '06 - I think he offers value (especially to those playing in 2QBs league) because you probably were able to pick him late - the injury factor letting him slip a bit...

 

[Steelers4Life]

The Steelers D at home has a way of making anyone look bad. Let's wait at least until week 2 before pushing the panic button.

I didn't think he looked very good most of the time, but I've seen the Steelers' defense make a lot of good QBs look bad, and this defense was playing in front of the home crowd in the opener after a Super Bowl win.Nothing like over-reaction.

 

[Noahs Troopers]

Doesn't the Pittsburg Steelers defense often make good QBs look horrible?

I thought Culpepper looked alright last night until the meltdown, I really think that the Steelers defense is top notch and it was alot more of them doing well than Pepper doing bad. (Don't own Pepper at all).

 

[FF Dude]

I for one don't think the Steelers D looked that great.

Culpepper had many occassions with WAY too much time to throw the ball. He looked great on the throws to the WR at the line when the D had given too much cushion, but many of his throws, especially the outs to the sidelines were floating. The steelers made a few adjustments in their D and jumped those passes in the second half which led to 2 interceptions and a 3rd that should have also been intercepted for a TD that Polamalu dropped.

It's obvious from reading this thread that you either love or hate Culpepper. I don't hate him, but I dashed to my computer to ok the trade offer someone sent before the game which sent him off to be someone elses ulcer this year.

In real football terms, Culpepper is going to be another Plummer (nice comparison to his stats in the AFC championship game btw). He will get you just to the playoffs and then leave you hanging with a crappy performance like this one. This game is a harbinger of things to come when the Dolphins make the playoffs this year, and they will, but Culpepper will break your heart in the end

 

[jestertj]

Until he can stick that right foot into the ground and make a throw, he will be too erratic.

 

[Da Guru]

Culpepper looks like he did last year before he was hurt, he seems lost on the field. Plus I noticed it appeared he was limping after every play..that is not a good sign.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

all the warning signs were up last year, when he tossed 6 tds to 12 ints BEFORE getting hurt..he doesn't look any better than last year..he's NOT the same guy without Moss and Carter..did Carter make Culpepper MORE accurate? I think so. the guy was always making one handed grabs that no one else could make...CPepp was spraying the ball all over the place last night, just as he did last year before he got hurt.

he's probably better than Carr and maybe Kerry Collins at this point ( joking), but his days of being an elite QB are long gone..the schedule gets easier, but still, he won't be a stud QB anymore..

That's absolutely absurd. Carter's last season with Minnesota was 2001, his last great season was in 2000. Culpepper's 1st year as a starter was 2000. Carter wasn't even around in 2004. Moss was barely there in 2004. Minnesota's leading receiver in 2004, when Culpepper was 69 % and had 4700+ yards, was Nate Burleson. How do you explain that season?

 

[Legion of Doom]

.I'd wait until Daunte plays a non-elite defense before crucifying him.

 

[JuniorNB]

all the warning signs were up last year, when he tossed 6 tds to 12 ints BEFORE getting hurt..he doesn't look any better than last year..he's NOT the same guy without Moss and Carter..did Carter make Culpepper MORE accurate? I think so. the guy was always making one handed grabs that no one else could make...CPepp was spraying the ball all over the place last night, just as he did last year before he got hurt.

he's probably better than Carr and maybe Kerry Collins at this point ( joking), but his days of being an elite QB are long gone..the schedule gets easier, but still, he won't be a stud QB anymore..

That's absolutely absurd. Carter's last season with Minnesota was 2001, his last great season was in 2000. Culpepper's 1st year as a starter was 2000. Carter wasn't even around in 2004. Moss was barely there in 2004. Minnesota's leading receiver in 2004, when Culpepper was 69 % and had 4700+ yards, was Nate Burleson. How do you explain that season?

The same as I explain Barry Switzer having a great record the year after Jimmie Johnson left.