Billy Bats
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Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
From the CNN article:
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avoiding injuries
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Too bad the families of the 5 soilders who were killed trying to rescue him after he appearently denounced America and the military in an email to his family and then deserted the military en route to being captured will never have their kids come home. This is definitely a controversial move.
My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
From the CNN article:
whoknew
Footballguy
What did he do on twitter that makes him sound like one? Anything other than call for closing Guantanamo?
I find it hard to believe he forgot how to speak English. Obviously, this guy is a loon. Why we decided to save him, of all the people in the world who are in serious trouble, is very confusing to me.My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
That's what I was thinking, I guess it's hard for me to grasp that idea of forgetting your primary language. Do you even stop thinking in English? He was said to be learning Pashtun and other languages when he was enlisted, maybe he wanted to forget English?My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
That's not what he said.
jonessed
Footballguy
I wouldn't go that far, but he obviously wasn't playing with a full deck to begin with. Who on earth would abandon their post and go on walk-about in the middle of Afghanistan? Where exactly was he planning to go?That's what I was thinking, I guess it's hard for me to grasp that idea of forgetting your primary language. Do you even stop thinking in English? He was said to be learning Pashtun and other languages when he was enlisted, maybe he wanted to forget English?My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/7-mullah-mohammad-fazl
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/many-afghans-oppose-release-of-taliban-officials-in-exchange-for-us-soldier-534860
@ Tim:
How would you say the citizens of Balkh, especially our allies who have laid out themselves and their families for us, are feeling right about now?
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whoknew
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Ten years in Guantánamo: Tunisian families hope for loved ones' release - video http://gu.com/p/34tjp/tw via @guardian
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Earlier, Bergdahl had apparently deleted a tweet reading, “I am still working to free all Guantanamo prisoners.”
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Those are the two tweets I see that people are upset about. Any others?
Well, according to one of his squadmates, maybe China?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think when this guy gets interviewed, and he will, it will be a real lulu.My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
This is something that we as a nation are starting to figure out. That not only do we bring home a large number of veterans with mental health issues, we do a poor job of screening those with such issues out during enlistment.
avoiding injuries
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The differences that I am seeing is that he's not looking to close Guantanamo, but rather "free" all the prisoners there. Second, I'm not sure what the second part of that tweet means when he says "god will repay for the death of every afghan child, ameen". Seems a tad radical to me.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Five years of solitary captivity can do all kinds of things to a person. This angle is a non-story, really.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
"Forgot" is different from "having trouble". That's one of the funny things about the English language -- sentences can end up having completely different meanings when you just change a couple of the words in them.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Yeah there is something weird about this situation. His old man should be interrogated as well.
johnnycakes
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It's called language attrition and, yes, it's definitely possible to forget your native language. I thought it took more like 10 years of immersion in another language and non-use of the native language to have total attrition, but it sounds like the soldier only has partial language attrition.That's what I was thinking, I guess it's hard for me to grasp that idea of forgetting your primary language. Do you even stop thinking in English? He was said to be learning Pashtun and other languages when he was enlisted, maybe he wanted to forget English?My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
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How is it a cop-out? I agree it might be false and not a fan of this, but I would be willing to bet that those that dislike President Obama would be saying he does not support our military and this guy by not doing everything he could to bring him home.
Look we got him back, and at this point it does not look like the current adminstration is going to do somethig to this "solider" (i think he is scum if he left his position), but that does not mean that they will not change direction on it either, once he gets home.
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SaintsInDome2006
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Take one look at who he was tweeting -
https://twitter.com/ABalkhi
Abdulqahar Balkhi
Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan
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Fennis
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
I can't tell you......but us in the field know for what. Lets just say he should be looked at with a suspicious eye.
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Fennis
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Jules Winnfield
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Let's see, the POW was a possible deserter with possible ties to the enemy, the five men traded for him were reportedly vicious enemy combatants responsible for thousands of deaths, and Obama broke the rules by making the decision without Congress.
I just knew that you would support this. Your turban is starting to show...
Ditka Butkus
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Jules Winnfield
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Well, he had regular Email contact with Taliban who had accurate knowledge of his traitor son back in 2012.
Serious question...does that break any laws?
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SaintsInDome2006
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Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
zabihullahmujahid @zabihmujahid · May 30
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
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jamny
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johnnycakes
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Fennis
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so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It just relates to the prior post about the father tweeting the Taliban. This is a second. I wonder what the father really thinks about America and its involvement in Afghanistan. And I wonder if he is sympathetic to the Taliban.so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
timschochet
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The reaction to this is really starting to piss me off.
I don't care if this guy screwed up by walking off the base. If he deserted, that's another matter, but somebody had better prove it. Otherwise II don't care. And I don't care if he loves the Taliban or his dad loves the Taliban or whatever. He's an American soldier. He was being held hostage. What the #### is wrong with you people??
That was a rhetorical question, because I know what's wrong. If this were anybody but Obama, the country would celebrate that we got one of ours back safely and be damned of the cost. But not with Obama. Whatever he does has got to be wrong.
I don't care if this guy screwed up by walking off the base. If he deserted, that's another matter, but somebody had better prove it. Otherwise II don't care. And I don't care if he loves the Taliban or his dad loves the Taliban or whatever. He's an American soldier. He was being held hostage. What the #### is wrong with you people??
That was a rhetorical question, because I know what's wrong. If this were anybody but Obama, the country would celebrate that we got one of ours back safely and be damned of the cost. But not with Obama. Whatever he does has got to be wrong.
Fennis
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His father is clearly sympathetic to the Taliban. I don't understand why that matters or is interesting in regards to the release of his son.It just relates to the prior post about the father tweeting the Taliban. This is a second. I wonder what the father really thinks about America and its involvement in Afghanistan. And I wonder if he is sympathetic to the Taliban.so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
If you want to say it was stupid for the father to be at the white house under those circumstances... I agree. But it has nothing to do with the release of his son.
Tim,
If he walked off base then a number of his colleagues DIED trying to find him. Not to mention that if he walked off during his shift as has been reported he put people on base at risk since he was expected to be protecting them. On top of that, we've just released five guys who we know will be back trying to kill people as soon as they can. If you can't see why some people have concerns about all of that I can't help you understand it.
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SaintsInDome2006
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I just found it surprising, I did not realize that fact that he was sympathetic to the Taliban, you know, the people killing Americans, other Afghans, and who supported in every way possible the people who perpetrated the 9/11/01 attacks.His father is clearly sympathetic to the Taliban. I don't understand why that matters or is interesting in regards to the release of his son.It just relates to the prior post about the father tweeting the Taliban. This is a second. I wonder what the father really thinks about America and its involvement in Afghanistan. And I wonder if he is sympathetic to the Taliban.so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
If you want to say it was stupid for the father to be at the white house under those circumstances... I agree. But it has nothing to do with the release of his son.
I guess it doesn't affect the decision to make the trade though.
Pretty sure they were ALL bad dudes. And the Taliban hand picked them. That should be of concern to anyone except Tim.
Fennis
Footballguy
Jim11
Footballguy
This guy deserted AND others were killed looking for him, that's what the #### is wrong.
My father had to take a 2-week Spanish immersion course as part of his job (he works in the federal prison system), where they were supposed to speak nothing but Spanish, and he told me by the end of the training, he was thinking and dreaming in Spanish. Once he got back, he switched back to English easily enough, but I thought it was interesting.It's called language attrition and, yes, it's definitely possible to forget your native language. I thought it took more like 10 years of immersion in another language and non-use of the native language to have total attrition, but it sounds like the soldier only has partial language attrition.That's what I was thinking, I guess it's hard for me to grasp that idea of forgetting your primary language. Do you even stop thinking in English? He was said to be learning Pashtun and other languages when he was enlisted, maybe he wanted to forget English?My guess would be because English wasn't used often around him, and if it's not practiced, it's often lost.Anyone care to try and explain how this guy is having trouble speaking English?
From the CNN article:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Let's put it this way, it's been a long time since we traded 5 guys with this much blood on their hands.
Noori and Fazi alone have been involved in overseeing the massacre of thousands.
Fennis
Footballguy
You would be surprised the steps some people are willing to take to protect their childrenI just found it surprising, I did not realize that fact that he was sympathetic to the Taliban, you know, the people killing Americans, other Afghans, and who supported in every way possible the people who perpetrated the 9/11/01 attacks.His father is clearly sympathetic to the Taliban. I don't understand why that matters or is interesting in regards to the release of his son.It just relates to the prior post about the father tweeting the Taliban. This is a second. I wonder what the father really thinks about America and its involvement in Afghanistan. And I wonder if he is sympathetic to the Taliban.so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
If you want to say it was stupid for the father to be at the white house under those circumstances... I agree. But it has nothing to do with the release of his son.
I guess it doesn't affect the decision to make the trade though.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I will certainly grant you that, but no I would not be surprised.You would be surprised the steps some people are willing to take to protect their childrenI just found it surprising, I did not realize that fact that he was sympathetic to the Taliban, you know, the people killing Americans, other Afghans, and who supported in every way possible the people who perpetrated the 9/11/01 attacks.His father is clearly sympathetic to the Taliban. I don't understand why that matters or is interesting in regards to the release of his son.It just relates to the prior post about the father tweeting the Taliban. This is a second. I wonder what the father really thinks about America and its involvement in Afghanistan. And I wonder if he is sympathetic to the Taliban.so?Here's Bob Bergdahl tweeting the Taliban again, actually retweeting out their tweets::
https://twitter.com/bobbergdahlRetweeted by Robert Bergdahl
Rejoinder of the Islamic Emirate regarding Obama’s recent announcement of extension of occupation http://shahamat-english.com/index.php/comments/45429-torment-of-the-prisoners-and-silence-of-the-human-rights-societies …
If you want to say it was stupid for the father to be at the white house under those circumstances... I agree. But it has nothing to do with the release of his son.
I guess it doesn't affect the decision to make the trade though.
OTOH I think perhaps it's starting to sound like the public should know what steps he has actually taken
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Insoxicated
You think the guy shipping everything home, asking about penalties for his weapons coming up missing, having stated if it was boring he may desert, multiple eyewitnesses describing him sneaking off the base (crawling on stomach),etc etc etc isn't all pretty good indicator of his intentions to desert?
whoknew
Footballguy
Is the thought that the father was a "sympathizer of the terrorist movement" from his tweets about Afghan children and re-tweeting that one Islamic dude?
If so, isn't it possible that he just objects to the US's "occupation" of Afghanistan? That's what I took from it.
I'm reasonably sure that it's happened during times of war before, but this instance just sounds like mistakes were made pretty much everywhere.
